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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #8792
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Things are pretty serious when Norma Foley is involved :rolleyes:

    I'd say an indefinite closure of schools is a certainty. Beyond that, it's hard to predict. The economic cost of closing construction, even for 4 weeks would be north of €12-15 million alone. I already feel sorry for the public sector employees and those reliant on public services in the medium term who will probably be affected most by the reduced funds we have trying to payback all of this.

    Perhaps a further tightening of which retailers can remain open but is this really this issue?! It's going to be the middle of January before we see any meaningful drop in case numbers based on the current set of restrictions and whilst it is easy to panic and be engulfed in the hysteria, level heads are required until then despite the relatively fast increase in case numbers over the last 10 days or so.

    One additional area that could be reviewed is International travel. Replacing the unenforceable restriction of movement advice with a mandatory negative Covid test prior to entry to the country would seem to make most sense to me, at the current time. Puts the burden on the individual passenger whilst allowing us maintain an open border.


  • #8793
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    is_that_so wrote: »
    This line of reasoning has been around since the early days. There is hysteria about it in the media but the media loves hysteria anyway. It sells more (bad) news.

    If it's just bald statistics on deaths COVID is not alarming. Where it really causes problems is the risk to collapsing health systems by sheer numbers. As we know that is not just the COVID sick and it has a very widespread effect on all forms of healthcare.

    I am assuming, like many of those drawn to the low IFR and so on, he has no solution. That's of no benefit to anyone except his ego.

    Actually you've just sparked me into remembering his main punchline which I had forgotten.

    Hitchins argued with the presenter when she told him many people had died from Covid, by ssying that "They did not die from Covid" they died "with Covid".

    "Covid didn't kill them" they just happened to have acquired Covid, but in most cases Covid doesn't kill you.

    His main argument being the difference between "died from" as opposed to "died with" . Take from that what you will.


  • #8794
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    If anyone is interested, Albert Camus wrote about a plague striking an unassuming city. You'd read it in about five hours.

    Here it is for free.

    I like how it parallels with our own experiences and feel like reading it years before this kicked off gave me an understanding of the denial and ignorance people have displayed during the various phases of our own situation.

    As usual with literature, the people who would get the biggest benefit from reading it are the ones who won't read it (!), but I'm enjoying it today and I thought I'd share.


  • #8795
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    On the assumption that cases will start to decline as the lockdown kicks in do you expect the peak in 2 weeks or so?
    Based on what happened in October, we could start to see the graphs topping out as early as this Sunday. And reductions beginning to reveal themselves next Thursday/Friday.

    It's far from an exact science; it really depends on when people pulled back. If they started to reduce their contacts on the 27th, then we could see a plateau as early as this Friday. If people still partied on NYE and met their families for dinner on New Year's Day, then we'll be well into next week before any tangible change in numbers occurs.


  • #8796
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭tigger123


    How is it that we are streaking to the top of the international table on Covid 19 infections?

    What the hell were people doing in the month of December?


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  • #8797
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ixoy wrote: »
    The restaurants opened on December the 4th along with gastropubs. I was in a restaurant a week later and I didn't break in. The 18th was for household visits only.

    thanks for correction, and other posters too, yes you are right!
    Maybe its just where I live but I went out once in that time for a meal, my first and only meal out in 2020 and the place was deserted. In fact I said to my sister who was with me that it was much the same as being at home.
    The social distancing was huge, masks, visors, perspex, no Christmas music, no shouting, no crowds.

    Now I fully get that this was just one gastropub, but in a very busy part of Co Louth, not far from Dublin. Maybe there were far rowdier places, I just really hate all the finger pointing and blaming at this stage. That ANYONE who went for a meal was selfish is just not right. Especially as it was within Government guidelines.


  • #8798
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    tigger123 wrote: »
    How is it that we are streaking to the top of the international table on Covid 19 infections?

    What the hell were people doing in the month of December?

    Any link? What's the table based upon? It woidk be interesting to see


  • #8799
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    8am hospital numbers at 817.

    Dashboard shows 74 admissions 67 discharges. No idea how that net adds up to 817 compared to yesterday's number, hospital outbreaks?

    So if these people are in hospital anyway, its not really a true reflection on capacity, net admission numbers should be the figure we are looking at.


  • #8800
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,691 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    tigger123 wrote: »
    How is it that we are streaking to the top of the international table on Covid 19 infections?

    What the hell were people doing in the month of December?

    A small theory of mine is that it has always been prevalent. However, this time of year people normally get colds etc (indoors, drier air, lack of exercise, poor diet). As a result, they are getting tested. And in turn turning positive. So, if people weren't picking up colds/flus, they probably wouldn't be getting tested, but would still be positive


  • #8801
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Actually you've just sparked me into remembering his main punchline which I had forgotten.

    Hitchins argued with the presenter when she told him many people had died from Covid, by ssying that "They did not die from Covid" they died "with Covid".

    "Covid didn't kill them" they just happened to have acquired Covid, but in most cases Covid doesn't kill you.

    His main argument being the difference between "died from" as opposed to "died from" . Take from that what you will.
    I think you can accept that COVID may have accelerated death in some of the very aged but the case becomes flimsy when you get to much younger people, whose comorbidities made them a very high risk but not at immediate risk of death.
    It's also a very convenient point of view to hunker down behind IFR all the time. It's factually true but ignores the real risks of COVID to the world.


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  • #8802
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Actually you've just sparked me into remembering his main punchline which I had forgotten.

    Hitchins argued with the presenter when she told him many people had died from Covid, by ssying that "They did not die from Covid" they died "with Covid".

    "Covid didn't kill them" they just happened to have acquired Covid, but in most cases Covid doesn't kill you.

    His main argument being the difference between "died from" as opposed to "died with" . Take from that what you will.

    It's a pretty normal argument that Covid deniers like to trot out. It doesn't explain the excess death experienced and it's pretty offensive to think that most of the deaths are from people just lying around waiting to die from Covid.


  • #8803
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    its called being positive, being balanced, looking at the surge we are in but also looking at the positives of 3 different vaccines being rolled out ,along with weather improving by March. Think positive, to hope and to have faith is to be human. :)

    The Vaccines offer what?

    you can still get infected,
    You can still die from Covid,
    You still have to wear a mask,
    You still have to social distance,
    Long term immunity is unknown,
    Long Term health issues are unknown.

    Talk of the Vaccine not working on the African Strain, UK Strain running rampant, and now the Dormant strain in the UK, possibly Ireland.

    You talk about weather improving by March, it was March last year things started going south and we ended up in a lockdown.

    What we do know is that this virus mutates, and it mutates to a worse state.


  • #8804
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    seamus wrote: »
    Based on what happened in October, we could start to see the graphs topping out as early as this Sunday. And reductions beginning to reveal themselves next Thursday/Friday.

    It's far from an exact science; it really depends on when people pulled back. If they started to reduce their contacts on the 27th, then we could see a plateau as early as this Friday. If people still partied on NYE and met their families for dinner on New Year's Day, then we'll be well into next week before any tangible change in numbers occurs.

    Given that we are not testing contacts - you could potentially see a decline in swaps from now on - in terms of cases - the peak will certainly depend on how they process the backlog


  • #8805
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    Coming home from work this morning and the wireless on in the car.radio one.nothing on it but covid doom and gloom.they wheel on doctor death himself then if things weren’t bad enough.
    I’m going listening to cds in the car anymore.I’ve enough of the constant covid downers.boll1x to all that.
    An endless depressing vacuum chiselling into your soul.

    Do you not have other radio stations?


  • #8806
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The Vaccines offer what?

    you can still get infected,
    You can still die from Covid,
    You still have to wear a mask,
    You still have to social distance,
    Long term immunity is unknown,
    Long Term health issues are unknown.

    Talk of the Vaccine not working on the African Strain, UK Strain running rampant, and now the Dormant strain in the UK, possibly Ireland.

    You talk about weather improving by March, it was March last year things started going south and we ended up in a lockdown.

    What we do know is that this virus mutates, and it mutates to a worse state.

    It mutates to a worse state, where is the evidence of this?


  • #8807
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,757 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The Vaccines offer what?

    you can still get infected,
    You can still die from Covid,
    You still have to wear a mask,
    You still have to social distance,
    Long term immunity is unknown,
    Long Term health issues are unknown.

    Talk of the Vaccine not working on the African Strain, UK Strain running rampant, and now the Dormant strain in the UK, possibly Ireland.

    You talk about weather improving by March, it was March last year things started going south and we ended up in a lockdown.

    What we do know is that this virus mutates, and it mutates to a worse state.

    might as well all go run off a pier then :rolleyes:


  • #8808
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tigger123 wrote: »
    How is it that we are streaking to the top of the international table on Covid 19 infections?

    What the hell were people doing in the month of December?

    Most likely we have the UK Strain, close neighbours,m lack borders etc.

    This strain is running rampant and is now the dominant strain.

    Its also attacking the young at an alarming rate, hence why the schools must close. Creches should close too but it appears our government are happy to sacrifice creche workers.


  • #8809
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It mutates to a worse state, where is the evidence of this?

    2 new Strains,

    African Strain - Talk of vaccines not being effective.

    UK Strain - More contagious, this is why there is panic in the UK and Ireland.


  • #8810
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The Vaccines offer what?

    you can still get infected,
    You can still die from Covid,
    You still have to wear a mask,
    You still have to social distance,
    Long term immunity is unknown,
    Long Term health issues are unknown.

    Talk of the Vaccine not working on the African Strain, UK Strain running rampant, and now the Dormant strain in the UK, possibly Ireland.

    You talk about weather improving by March, it was March last year things started going south and we ended up in a lockdown.

    What we do know is that this virus mutates, and it mutates to a worse state.

    For what it's worth the Oxford team were on BBC R5 yesterday saying that they expect the vaccine to work on all strains. They also said that whilst they can tweak the vaccine fairly quickly, they are not expecting to have to do it for some years.


  • #8811
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I assume its more like sticking a sign on the door and restricting access and possibly increasing the O2 supply rather than knocking walls

    Hopefully that is all it is.


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  • #8812
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    The app has not been updated with yesterday's case numbers...

    Maybe it can't handle the numbers.


  • #8813
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Probes wrote: »
    For what it's worth the Oxford team were on BBC R5 yesterday saying that they expect the vaccine to work on all strains. They also said that whilst they can tweak the vaccine fairly quickly, they are not expecting to have to do it for some years.

    One can only hope, but for every scientist that says it will work there are others who say it won't.


    Vaccine won’t work against South Africa coronavirus variant, worry UK scientists
    https://www.theafricareport.com/57083/vaccine-wont-work-against-south-africa-coronavirus-variant-worry-uk-scientists/


  • #8814
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    2 new Strains,

    African Strain - Talk of vaccines not being effective.

    UK Strain - More contagious, this is why there is panic in the UK and Ireland.

    You said it mutates to a worse state, so can you please show the evidence that it does and what are the affects on the body caused by this worse mutation.
    As for your claims about the vaccine not working, you seem to know something the makers of the vaccine and multiple qualified experts don’t, can you share your insights?


  • #8815
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    2 new Strains,

    African Strain - Talk of vaccines not being effective.

    UK Strain - More contagious, this is why there is panic in the UK and Ireland.
    This is all speculation. "Talk of" means one UK politician suggested the possibility.

    It is very unlikely that the vaccines would be ineffective against any strain that emerges in the next 18 months.

    There is no evidence that the UK strain is "rampant" outside of South-East England, and there are open questions about whether is it as transmissable as the UK have claimed.

    Less than 10% of Irish cases are the UK strain.


  • #8816
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    One can only hope, but for every scientist that says it will work there are others who say it won't.


    Vaccine won’t work against South Africa coronavirus variant, worry UK scientists
    https://www.theafricareport.com/57083/vaccine-wont-work-against-south-africa-coronavirus-variant-worry-uk-scientists/
    That's not what the article says though. It says there's a concern it *may* not work *well* against the new strain but that, if it doesn't, it can be corrected. Which is very different from saying vaccines won't work.


  • #8817
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You said it mutates to a worse state, so can you please show the evidence that it does and what are the affects on the body caused by this worse mutation.
    As for your claims about the vaccine not working, you seem to know something the makers of the vaccine and multiple qualified experts don’t, can you share your insights?

    Sorry?

    You don't think a more contagious strain or a vaccine resistant strain is not evidence of the virus getting worse?


  • #8818
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭tigger123


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Any link? What's the table based upon? It woidk be interesting to see

    San Marino must have raleighed late yesterday, but we were top at around lunchtime.

    Still comfortable for a Champions League spot though.

    Link below:

    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=&region=World&positiveTestRate=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&pickerSort=desc


  • #8819
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Tork


    Luke O'Neill, who I know isn't popular in these threads, said that the vaccine is a version of thousands of big guns all firing at the same little target. He wasn't concerned that the new strain(s) would be resistant to the vaccine.


  • #8820
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ixoy wrote: »
    That's not what the article says though. It says there's a concern it *may* not work *well* against the new strain but that, if it doesn't, it can be corrected. Which is very different from saying vaccines won't work.

    Yes, back to the ifs, maybe, hopefully, etc.

    The reality is, we simply do not know, the vaccine it's not even 100% effective. They don't even know how long immunity will last and now governments are looking at delaying the 2nd jab!

    Where is returning to normality if the new strain is more contagious and spreads faster, you still need to wear a mask and social distance if vaccinated?


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  • #8821
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    There is obviously going to be huge reluctance to admit we're actually not out of the woods, but still screwed for some time.

    The half-done studies touting vaccine efficacy in very small samples with wildly varying percentages of success in preventing people from spreading covid do not give me relief. Add to that the fact that we're not administering the doses as recommended, the people who get the vaccine are still getting sick and some seem to be spreading covid, the rollout of the programme is slow AF.

    It's self-deception to have hope of this being even close to the end. I'd give my life savings for four years in suspended animation.


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