Werewolf Post Game Feedback Thread

Rikand wrote: »

Games start on Sundays here but i think its pretty well known here that if its an anon game, I wont be seen till Monday. I post during work times and I post after the kids are gone to bed (usually after 7:30) so there's definitely scope for you to play the games just as I do.

And I dont play all the time, about 3 or 4 games per year at the moment which is mostly down to work and busy times. Most games here have enough killing power in the game that its over by Friday, so you could sign up and play knowing that you're probably going to be free by the weekend coming.

I'm all about the kids too. But there's definitely room to play and room not to be here when its kids time. Plus, you have a phone, you can get in the odd minute here or there too

Kids in bed by 730?


Teach me. My girl is 930 most nights

For anyone who wants to post post counts that are most convienient for everybody, and i have to say screenshots, while useful are not the most useful, I will share my method.

start a new google sheet document.
on sheet one make fill in first 3 cloumns with
who|posts|percentage
Then on the next row use the following formulas
=clean(Sheet2!A3)|=value(clean(Sheet2!B3))|=B2/sum(B$2:B$40)
Then copy fill those formulas down to row 40.

add new sheet, called Sheet2, as seen in the formula.

goto the 'who's posted page and select all (crtl+a), copy (crtl+c, then goto sheet2, cell a1, and paste (crtl+v).
sheet1 will now have magically trasformed into a copy and pasteable post count sheet.

who posts percentage
Necro 91 15.09%
Baggly 90 14.93%
tusk 47 7.79%
quickbeam 42 6.97%
Green&Red 27 4.48%
beakerjoe 24 3.98%
duffman13 23 3.81%
Bounty Hunter 21 3.48%
Clarabel 18 2.99%
Strawberry Milkshake 17 2.82%
fixXxer 17 2.82%
Drumpot 17 2.82%
Rikand 16 2.65%
LadySkunk 15 2.49%
Stu Redman 13 2.16%
MicksJaguar 13 2.16%
Mollyb60 12 1.99%
Ectoplasm 9 1.49%
Neowise 9 1.49%
kitten_k 8 1.33%
sullivlo 8 1.33%
khalessi 8 1.33%
Kolido 7 1.16%
Digital Solitude 6 1.00%
Lord TSC 5 0.83%
JP Liz V1 5 0.83%
Barney92 5 0.83%
deconduo 5 0.83%
MrsFlushdraw 4 0.66%
Banjo 3 0.50%
Choc Chip 3 0.50%
TheValeyard 3 0.50%
Trigger 3 0.50%
Electric Nitwit 2 0.33%
JohnGreenFan 2 0.33%
Sixtoes 2 0.33%
Mary WW 1 0.17%
Uriel. 1 0.17%
SnowyMay 1 0.17%

I think the new year is as good a time as any to discuss ways of enticing people in, or encouraging others to stay. I've played a lot the past year but have sort of become less interested in playing as I once was. I'm not sure exactly why that is (perhaps the MU games really took it out of me). One thing that has been mentioned and I agree with it (and may be guilty of it at times myself) is that games can be very complex. It is hard enough to find the baddies at the best of times but then there are all sorts of things thrown in to make it harder to follow what is going on. I like a relatively simple game that matches the theme set out. I don't mind the odd secret being kept from players but as long as it is possible to work it out, or that there is a plan for it to be revealed. The game I'm running later on in the year will be pretty simple anyway. As I think has been mentioned the long list for the schedule is good in a way but also can force people to try and make their game really stand out. It is good that people try to design fun games but that can mean games get complex for new and old players.

On post counts, I think 50 posts is more than enough (especially is a limit is lifted an hour or two before the lynch). The slight downside of that is that it makes the hour or two before lynch quite important to be there for, which doesn't suit everyone. I do think a post count limit means there isn't a need to close the thread at night. Posting at night rarely gets too out of hand. It's unlikely that you'll actually wake up to 100s of posts in the morning.

On the topic of themes we have done some of the most famous franchises, TV shows and books already and it might be harder trying to get new players with more niche ones. I'm not saying we shouldn't have more niche themes because most people will play for the game rather than the theme. I'm thinking more just to catch people's eye when a new thread comes up on the home page. That might be a reason for the decline in the numbers.

duffman13 wrote: »

Fair point on this. The main reason I took the leap was because id seen the forum a few times but it seemed very complicated. Then TWD came up and the theme attracted me to give a bash. Not sure if stats back that up or anything with new sign ups for more main stream themes but found myself nodding as I read this :pac:

Terminator seems to be winning my poll and as such, IMO, would be a big theme to get folks interested. Sure it already lured LoughC back.

I shall give it another few days but I think Terminator will be the theme. (I can do another niche game down the road..... bye bye Serial Killer Larry David! :pac:

I shall begin working on an OP based off 14/15 players and post it as soon as to promote the game and to make things as transparent as possible for new players.

As I have said, its fairly vanilla (5 roles max). Each role will fit the theme nicely I think. However there is a new role mechanic and Id love to discuss it with a mod or another experience player who has time to ensure its not too complicated (I dont think it is but Im biased).

I'm not particularly a fan of putting a cap on posts for a day. However I do realise that the large number of posts in threads can put off a lot. I include myself in that. It just seems to me to be extra work for mods to do when they're already busy enough.

And i will agree that a lot of the themes haven't grabbed my attention lately. The only game I think I played this year was the LOST game and that was because I loved the theme. Oh I've just checked my PM's and I apparently played the MCU game in May and the Witcher game in April. Again though, both themes I would've been very interested in.

Reberetta wrote: »

I got burned out after playing Supernatural Werewolf. I almost lost my mind playing that game and then afterwards when we lost after so much hard work, I was deflated and I don't really feel like playing anymore. It's not anyone's fault. I decided to spend more time doing other things.

In the last werewolf game, I signed up as a favour to make up the numbers. On the day I had intended on contributing more, I was munched first thing. Unlike other times however, I wasn't the least bit disappointed to log in and find out I was dead.

I have signed up to moderate a game due to commence in 2022. I've been contemplating whether to remove my name from the queue. I haven't decided yet. If people want me to do this sooner than later as my level of dedication is uncertain I will. I've never modded before and I'm not fully aware of what is required.

Thoughts

* I'm not a fan of the Day 1 munch, it's random and unfair on a player who signs up to be killed off before the game has really begun. Rikand doesn't abide by this method and I prefer their format.

*Post limit is a good idea. It'll result in quality over quantity.

*I would like the thread locked for night and then locked halfway through the day for an hour (so roughly 3-4pm). Every time it is locked I would like a simple basic summary of what transpired e.g. "X was poisoned, X was shot dead, X was munched".

* I think too many players sign up who have no dedication to meeting posting and voting requirements and even if it means pulling out last minute, they should let the moderators know out of respect for everybody.

* I don't like non-anon games. It's less 'mysterious' and leads to bias against particular players e.g. "I think X is a wolf, because he doesn't do that when he's village".

*I prefer a forum backroom over Discord.

*Generally speaking, I don't like it when players have bullets and go around shooting others without any discrimination or debate. Annoying!


What else? I think that is it.

Someone should run Aliens Versus Predator and The Lost Boys games if I forbear. I'll sign up for those.

Hi Reb,

The feedback is very much appreciated and yours and other players feedback is being carefully considered for the zjan game.

I hope you find the urge to return in the near future. What, if anything, you help you return?

I certainly get the losing defeated feeling. A crushing loss can make you feel so bad that you need time away.

Phew, it's been a very long time since I've posted in here.

Thanks to the Roosky for the WhatsApp invite.

I do miss werewolf and have always broadly enjoyed the community here since Jayop planted the first seeds (seems like lifetime ago now).

I've mostly bowed out over the last year or 18 months because of my own circumstances and an inability to dedicate the kind of time required to properly partake. I've been so tempted to jump back in with some recent themes that I know I'd particularly love to engage with (Die Hard, supernatural).

I've just found that the volume of posts to catch up on are just too much for me. Reading during work hours is just not doable for me and that means that I'm trying to catch up on a full day's worth of posts in a short window prior to a lynch. Effectively, it just means a cursory examination and no real scope to dive into detailed analysis. More often than not I'm trying to coast by until the number of players has reduced and posts are less.

In theory the idea of post count limits would help but i think would probably cause more problems than it would solve. Also don't think night time threads locks would help either, they don't over on MU at least. Probably I would personally have a better chance these days in participating one smaller, shorter (one night) games or weekend games.

I like complex games myself and some of the creativity that has gone into them is great and makes for interesting games. Unlike others I do love a bit of chaos and things like hidden roles or complex role mechanics/relationships run right up my street. I think were people are short on time or are new, these can be daunting and less "pick up in play". I've also wondered if a healthier mix of game types in the schedule would help but there's a balance to be struck between engaging the base/regular players versus the likelihood of attracting new blood. As in, for the amount of new blood in any given game, you need a core regular playership to keep the game viable and increasing the number of games in, for example a given month, is not likely sustainable for core players to commit to. I suppose the thing is for attracting and retaining new players, if less complex games are an important gateway, I suspect that players would need to partake in a few of those type of games before making the step up. I guess my view of a potential problem is that if you have vanilla type game followed by a more complex game, newer players are either diving earlier into a complex game or having to wait a few months for a second go at vanilla. May be problematic for retaining the hook... But newer players might have a better perspective on that theory.

I'm not a major fan of discord either (other than popcorn . And I much prefer COP but had probably never been a deal breaker by itself. Although, as mentioned earlier, trying to catch up after been offline during the day becomes even harder again when discord is thrown into the mix (at least it is for me).

I always thought one of the great pluses on here has been the good community spirit, from day one. I know there has always been tensions here and there (thinking of one player in particular, who I loved BTW), but generally has been a positive place to play, engage and for beers etc as well. I'd hate to ever think that thst would change. Disappointing to read that some people felt things got too personal, hopefully that's just isolated incidents in the heat of a game (I haven't followed any games for a long while), but I've always felt that game mods (as opposed to boards mods) have typically dealt well with issues and the community spirit had generally policed it to a point as well. My recollection was that while it happened the odd time, forum mods didn't have to intervene too much.

Sigh. I do miss this place.

Baggly wrote: »

It doesnt matter if the feedback is contradictory - everyone gets their say and we will all figure out what works best for the majority afterwards.

My point is if nobody is responsible then nothing will change

One person needs to say here’s the consensus of the feedback, here’s the plan and here’s how it’s going to be implemented