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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    They should just put off opening schools now and make plans to go online instead of this wait and see approach.

    That affects work too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    They should just put off opening schools now and make plans to go online instead of this wait and see approach.

    Look they are a bit scuppered at the moment. Some anon minister during 1pm news during week gave a figure of 2500 cases before schools would close. I dont think they thought the public would ever find out that the case record maxes out around the 1500 -2000 numbers, so now they need a new plan.


    Schools just should go online for next few weeks.

    Maybe consider injecting 5th and 6th years and their teachers with vaccine so they can go ahead with face to face classes and leaving cert and put rest online.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Treseemme. wrote: »
    That affects work too

    The schools aren't a babysitting service.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Does Nolan do any blogs on his analysis? I have seen him providing analysis by Twitter but that is a poor medium for detailed explanations.

    Mot that im aware of

    He said in the interview above that they have not yet modelled the current numbers

    More positive though is this doctor in Donegal
    Despite the current chaos, Dr McAuley is optimistic. With vaccines on the horizon this is a time for people to buckle down, commit to the public health measures and push through to the end of the pandemic.

    “We have done this before in Donegal and we have got through it,” he says. “It’s going to be a bit scary hairy this week and next week and then it’s going to be fine. We have been doing it all year.”

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/covid-19-battle-we-have-been-totally-overwhelmed-i-have-a-sinking-feeling-the-darkest-days-are-yet-to-come-we-have-lost-control-39922842.html


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Stheno wrote: »
    Its coming from the HSE who say vaccinations in a home with an outbreak will be deferred until at least four weeks after the home has symptoms

    There are currently 53 outbreaks in nursing homes

    Trying to vaccinate a nursing home with an outbreak at the moment would be challenging and risk compromising lots of healthcare workers/spreading it to other nursing homes.

    There's an argument that HCWs should be prioritised over nursing homes right now, as there's a real prospect of Covid & Non Covid healthcare capacity being compromised soon due to staff shortages. May be too late to make a difference vaccinating them now, but I presume it's being weighed up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Amirani wrote: »
    Trying to vaccinate a nursing home with an outbreak at the moment would be challenging and risk compromising lots of healthcare workers/spreading it to other nursing homes.

    There's an argument that HCWs should be prioritised over nursing homes right now, as there's a real prospect of Covid & Non Covid healthcare capacity being compromised soon due to staff shortages. May be too late to make a difference vaccinating them now, but I presume it's being weighed up.

    The Pfizer vaccine is not easy to administer. This is where the Az/Oxford one would be handy as it can mostly likely be administered by the nursing home staff. There will be tough calls to make over the next few weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    iguana wrote: »
    I ate plenty of conveyor belt sushi in 03, so it's not like the original SARS outbreak had any impact on my habits. And I don't think there is much wrong with you eating it either. It's more that it's a concrete sign of a change in me. I had a visceral reaction of discomfort at your photo. I can't imagine living that way right now. I don't doubt I will again and this kind of feeling will fade completely. But right now, the pandemic has changed me.

    That’s understandable because you have been sick, I know lots of people in Ireland that have been infected by Covid but I don’t know one person here that I can think of. I’m not saying there’s no risk but for me it’s extremely low and would be more foreign, Covid hasn’t really affected my life that much I have had a year off from travel both domestically and Internationally but still have been extremely busy just been at home more often than usual. As for my usual non-work activities and social interactions have been normal since the start of June, I have had a few long weekends away in October and November and on 3 weeks leave at the moment and the wet weather is more of a concern than Covid.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Can you imagine if we stayed with level 5 restrictions over Christmas. There would be public outcry for not being able to visit families because of ~150 cases a day (assuming cases kept declining)
    Government is dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

    They opened too early. No reason they had to open hospitality at the very start of December, earlier than they had even planned to.

    NPHET didn't say to keep Level 5 for Christmas. They said to not have BOTH hospitality and house visits permitted at the same time. Government didn't need to ignore this, they could've allowed house visits only, or only opened hospitality for a short period of time rather than nearly 4 weeks.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    We do not have enough capacity - full stop.

    That does not mean it is easy to ramp up capacity - issues are systemic including recruitment, planning process, pay, vested interests, lack of funding, poor use of existing funding etc etc. One thing we need is to have a serious national question after this of how we fund our health service and how we as taxpayers will pay for this. No more kicking the can down the road.

    This is only the beginning of it, and the review needs to be far wider and range over areas like why we're still using 18th century facilites in the centre of Dublin that are overcrowded, expensive to heat, don't have anything like adequte parking for staff or visitors, and have nothing like the number of low occupancy rooms to allow for isolation.

    Why do we have so many administrators making sure that VHI etc get charged the right fees for every swab, way too many people in the HSE are performing functions that are totally inappropriate to Health Care, and if we had the model based on the NHS, none of that waste of time and resources would be required.

    Then there's the issues relating to the absence of local facilities like health centres in the areas that have expanded like crazy in the last couple of decades, and they'd be more than helpful right now to enable mass vaccinations if we had the doses to allow that to happen.

    Then there's the problem of many GP's operating in unsuitable premises, which limit their ability to deliver a more wide ranging service,and avoid the need to send so many people to a hospital for minor procedures.

    It might have been OK to use a converted house 50 years ago as a GP surgery, but there is a requirement now to have a lot more services and facilities on site, and fitting them into a house is just not possible, and again, there are problems with a lack of waiting room facitlites and parking in the immediate area, and so the list goes on.

    The Chinese managed to build massive facilities in a matter of weeks to facilitate having somewhere to put people with Covid, that was an emergency, but they set do and did it, how many years behind schedule is the new Childrens hospital, and let's not discuss the budget over runs or the fact that the location is a nightmare to access, and there's nothing new about these problems, it's built into the system at this stage, I know, I'm living with the consequences here, a flood relief scheme that was supposed to be finished in a year, and is still not even close to completion 5 YEARS later, and not likely to be completed for yet another year, the stress of that is mind bending.

    This pandemic has shown just how badly we are being served by a wide range of state services, driving tests, driving licences, Free travel passes for the over 65's, the number of services that are still stuck in the 80's in terms of how they are delivered is only unreal, but until something like Covid comes along, we don't get to really put these services under any sort of microscope to see if they are actually fit for purpose, and the reality is that in a lot of cases, they are no longer doing what is needed.

    The people on the front line are doing an amazing job to be fair to them, but they are being totally let down by a massive failure of politicians and senior management to make the hard decisions and see them through to completion.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020




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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Amirani wrote: »
    Trying to vaccinate a nursing home with an outbreak at the moment would be challenging and risk compromising lots of healthcare workers/spreading it to other nursing homes.

    There's an argument that HCWs should be prioritised over nursing homes right now, as there's a real prospect of Covid & Non Covid healthcare capacity being compromised soon due to staff shortages. May be too late to make a difference vaccinating them now, but I presume it's being weighed up.

    That's not a bad idea to vaccinate HCWs first imo

    If you include nursing home staff you might reduce the incidents in nursing homes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Any update on today’s numbers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    theballz wrote: »
    Any update on today’s numbers?

    Philip Nolan says to "Prepare ourselves for some quite worrying numbers".

    That 9000 or so backlog must be on its way in top of another couple of thousand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    coastwatch wrote: »
    9300 cases over the past 48 hours in NI.
    Still reporting similar numbers to here then, with a smaller population, in spite of the big increase here.

    No its 3,576 in NI for past 48 hours not 9300.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    coastwatch wrote: »
    9300 cases over the past 48 hours in NI.
    Still reporting similar numbers to here then, with a smaller population, in spite of the big increase here.

    Thats not correct

    They had 3576 the 9300 would be the equivalent figure here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭AxleAddict


    coastwatch wrote: »
    9300 cases over the past 48 hours in NI.
    Still reporting similar numbers to here then, with a smaller population, in spite of the big increase here.

    3576 cases in NI in the last 48hrs, the 9300+ number refers to ROI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Dayo93 wrote: »
    We are really paying for our open borders now , if that's not what is the main driver off this new wave is someone really under estimated how much covid was floating around the community undetected. It cannot be a coincidence that > 30000 people arrive home from a place riddled with covid and a couple of weeks later we find ourselves in the same position . But it's Paddy's love of the gargle that is the main cause.

    Love of gargle but this addictive want, need determination to be seeing people, interacting, being around and with people... social idiocy... its a PANDEMIC !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    AxleAddict wrote: »
    3576 cases in NI in the last 48hrs, the 9300+ number refers to ROI.

    Missed that, post deleted.
    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04



    It is, hard to imagine that was a just under a year ago I was at Gospers mountain recently and it’s all green again it’s amazing how quickly regeneration happens but this La Niña bringing in too much rain and ruining my leave... I should be lapping up the Hawkesbury or in the bay.

    Probably sun splitting the stone when I go back to work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Treseemme. wrote: »
    Surely nursing homes will be delayed now

    I've heard nursing homes have got their dates for being vaccinated but I suppose like everything else, things can change fast in current situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,058 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Teemarie


    To be considered close contact you have to be in contact with positive person either 48hr (when developed symptoms) or 24hr before positive result (asymptomatic). Is that correct? It just seems that such a short space of time. I was in contact with someone on christmas eve who tested positive yesterday. From the above would seem that we ok. Have been restricting my movements anyhow but back to work now on Monday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »

    We need to know how many are "todays" and how many are historical, can't believe they are lumping historical and live cases together after the German labs debacle from last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    blade1 wrote: »
    I've heard nursing homes have got their dates for being vaccinated but I suppose like everything else, things can change fast in current situation.

    Got their dates alright but you can't vaccinate a nursing home with an active outbreak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Got their dates alright but you can't vaccinate a nursing home with an active outbreak.

    An outbreak is two cases right? If those cases are isolated and managed as they should be then perhaps vaccination can still go ahead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    blade1 wrote: »
    Can't quote as it's from the last thread that's closed so here's a screenshot

    Screenshot-20210102-131927.jpg

    So what other answer would have satisfied your question? That you didn’t like the answer is hardly relevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Dayo93


    The schools aren't a babysitting service.

    Off course they are , anyone has school age children have built school hours into there daily plan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,058 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    We need to know how many are "todays" and how many are historical, can't believe they are lumping historical and live cases together after the German labs debacle from last year.

    Are we still using Germany for testing?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Yes all well and good and nice on the emotive side.....
    So how do you convince a section of society to live like hermits when the virus is of little harm to them?

    Chances are they'll be convinced soon enough, once they see vulnerable people they care about in desperate trouble. It's a pity we need to be personally visited by trauma before acting on behalf of all of us.


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