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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #5492
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    antodeco wrote: »
    But I still had to buy it. Your arguement has been no point in "buying it" if it's not needed. I buy a jacket but may not need it.

    Genuine question for you: Is your preference to not have something and run the risk of people dying rather than having it and possibly not needing it?

    You have a once off capital cost, they are great as you can write them off over time.
    A fully staffed hospital had huge capital costs and huge operating expenses, your jacket her no ongoing expense so if you never use it the impact it's minimal.
    If you had to spend 10% of the purchase price on monthly maintenance, regardless of whether or not you used the jacket, you might find that you are less likely to buy one in summer, for example.


  • #5493
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    Just to provide an update - I tested negative. Major relief considering I have an underlying respiratory condition. That was some of the worst few days of my life.

    Stay safe everyone. Avoid unnecessary socialising.

    Glad to hear it, Squid. I went through the horrors in Sept waiting for my negative test result, not because I've an underlying condition but because I was afraid I'd infected my elderly father, so I know what you mean about the worst few days. Relax and enjoy your negative result.


  • #5494
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    antodeco wrote: »
    Wow ok. You asked for evidence to counter your argument.

    I'll ask another genuine question, can you provide details of the cost to the state for having extra capacity versus the cost to the state not having this capacity? Because that's your arguement is it not? The cost implication doesn't justify paying for it.

    But your evidence counters your own argument, that tracking this stuff is trivial, yet SuperValu couldn't even do it on one stock item?

    I can't to be honest, no one can, that's a retrospective question.


  • #5495
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    But if the pandemic was limited to say China/Asia would it have affected you in same way?


    I once ran a training course in India, I have travelled the world inc China and most of east Asia so am very careful what I eat and drink but never been as sick as I was in India I literally lost 6kg. I never been back just let the guys in Singapore deal with there.

    Still I find eating out at Sushi or Yum cha no different to drinking in a pub, you are drinking from a glass that someone touched with their hands... even though good handling you should avoid touching top of glass in front of customers there’s always chance the glass has been handled incorrectly at some stage...same for cutlery at a restaurant.

    If you are living in a society that is low risk to Covid then it’s easy not to be as put off, for me aside from the restrictions that we have to live by it’s not much different to 2019.

    Excellent point... close friend of mine went trawling around India back in early 2000's ...Long story-shortened....Bought bottled drinking water from a vendor at hotel lobby,only for her and her companion to fall DREADFULLY ill,with both ending up in a New Delhi hospital,and then having a STEEP learning curve about the differences in our understanding of what constitutes Hospital Quality healthcare....along with families living outside the groundfloor ward windows.

    Then again,these damn statistics take us off in yet another direction.....

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/health/india-s-covid-19-fatality-rate-drops-to-1-46-govt-targets-bringing-it-down-to-1/story-1FQUofzpLzdwLu7aJvuUSP.html
    India’s coronavirus disease (Covid-19) case fatality rate (CFR) dropped to 1.46% on Sunday, with 133,771 of 9,140,191 infected persons having succumbed to the viral infection in the country.

    On a totally seperate,and equally as important issue...I do like how Indian's use the English language,there's a certain timelessness in it and thankfully,it harks back to the home of the language....rather than U.S.TV !
    According to government officials in the know of things, the target percentage was decided after a detailed deliberation between representatives of the union ministry of health and family welfare and the government think tank Niti Aayog.

    Keep her lit !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #5496
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,058 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Kenmare has highest Covid19 infection rate in Munster
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #5497
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,684 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    GreeBo wrote: »
    But your evidence counters your own argument, that teaching this stuff is trivial, yet SuperValu couldn't even do it on one stock item?

    I can't to be honest, no one can, that's a retrospective question.

    Ok I've a better analogy, do you pay car or home insurance?


  • #5498
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Kenmare has highest Covid19 infection rate in Munster

    What's going on in Kenmare?


  • #5499
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    But if the pandemic was limited to say China/Asia would it have affected you in same way?..........

    .....If you are living in a society that is low risk to Covid then it’s easy not to be as put off, for me aside from the restrictions that we have to live by it’s not much different to 2019.

    I ate plenty of conveyor belt sushi in 03, so it's not like the original SARS outbreak had any impact on my habits. And I don't think there is much wrong with you eating it either. It's more that it's a concrete sign of a change in me. I had a visceral reaction of discomfort at your photo. I can't imagine living that way right now. I don't doubt I will again and this kind of feeling will fade completely. But right now, the pandemic has changed me.


  • #5500
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    3576 cases and 26 deaths in Northern ireland over last 48 hours


  • #5501
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    iguana wrote: »
    I ate plenty of conveyor belt sushi in 03, so it's not like the original SARS outbreak had any impact on my habits. And I don't think there is much wrong with you eating it either. It's more that it's a concrete sign of a change in me. I had a visceral reaction of discomfort at your photo. I can't imagine living that way right now. I don't doubt I will again and this kind of feeling will fade completely. But right now, the pandemic has changed me.

    Same here, anything uncovered in a shop, I won't go near it.


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  • #5502
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    ek motor wrote: »
    3576 cases and 26 deaths in Northern ireland

    Is that a 48 hour number?


  • #5503
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Schools not opening until after February mid term if this comes to pass
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0102/1187293-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #5504
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    NI 48hr reporting

    https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1345371311086989312?s=19


  • #5505
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Is that a 48 hour number?

    Yes , should have clarified that


  • #5506
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    NI hospital situation

    https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1345373037810606088?s=19

    https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1345372261818245120?s=19


  • #5507
    Dayo93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Dayo93


    We are really paying for our open borders now , if that's not what is the main driver off this new wave is someone really under estimated how much covid was floating around the community undetected. It cannot be a coincidence that > 30000 people arrive home from a place riddled with covid and a couple of weeks later we find ourselves in the same position . But it's Paddy's love of the gargle that is the main cause.


  • #5508
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    What don’t they just announce the true figure? It might actually shock some people into curbing their movements. What’s the point of releasing numbers if they’re not really accurate?

    I agree, if they know the margin of error from testing throughout the year they should be able to come to a relatively accurate number and revise at a later stage when we are caught up.


  • #5509
    Lemonzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭Lemonzero


    Totally agree,absolutely need the figures representative of the day that they are being reported on .The daily cases are the measure of the disease that the vast majority of the population rely on( and of course unfortunately deaths). The most important thing now is to get the day to day readings correct for example how much of the 9000 backlog was in the figures announced yesterday.
    No point in sorting out backlog at expense of daily figures(not saying this is going to happen).


  • #5510
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Lemonzero wrote: »
    Totally agree,absolutely need the figures representative of the day that they are being reported on .The daily cases are the measure of the disease that the vast majority of the population rely on( and of course unfortunately deaths). The most important thing now is to get the day to day readings correct for example how much of the 9000 backlog was in the figures announced yesterday.
    No point in sorting out backlog at expense of daily figures(not saying this is going to happen).

    I think the journalists should announce the swab data every day for the moment.


  • #5511
    Treseemme.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    Looks like we Ballsed up easing off before administering the vaccine

    Basic error on governments part


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  • #5512
    the whole year inn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,155 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    Nurse that calls to my mother has tested positive for Covid as well as her son. The last time my mother would have been in contact with her is on the 22nd of December . What should we do here now. None of us show symptoms in the house.


  • #5513
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    the whole year inn wrote: »
    Nurse that calls to my mother has tested positive for Covid as well as her son. The last time my mother would have been in contact with her is on the 22nd of December . What should we do here now. None of us show symptoms in the house.

    Isolate and ring your GP if you develop symptoms


  • #5514
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Treseemme. wrote: »
    Looks like we Ballsed up easing off before administering the vaccine

    Basic error on governments part

    Can you imagine if we stayed with level 5 restrictions over Christmas. There would be public outcry for not being able to visit families because of ~150 cases a day (assuming cases kept declining)
    Government is dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.


  • #5515
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Can you imagine if we stayed with level 5 restrictions over Christmas. There would be public outcry for not being able to visit families because of ~150 cases a day (assuming cases kept declining)
    Government is dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

    Yeah, there are no easy decisions what so ever in this. Unfortunately there are many people ready to criticise and attack thinking they know better.


  • #5516
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Prof Nolan saying current restrictions are sufficient for now
    He said the government restriction measures for now are sufficient but need to be watched over the next ten days to see are they having the desired effect and decisions on the closure of construction or extension to school closures will need to be kept under review. 

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0102/1187293-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #5517
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Treseemme. wrote: »
    Looks like we Ballsed up easing off before administering the vaccine

    Basic error on governments part
    Before administering the vaccine? That will take months to even get the most vulnerable, never mind the nation as a whole. No way were they not going to ease up before a wider rollout.


  • #5518
    Treseemme.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    ixoy wrote: »
    Before administering the vaccine? That will take months to even get the most vulnerable, never mind the nation as a whole. No way were they not going to ease up before a wider rollout.

    Surely nursing homes will be delayed now


  • #5519
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Can you imagine if we stayed with level 5 restrictions over Christmas. There would be public outcry for not being able to visit families because of ~150 cases a day (assuming cases kept declining)
    Government is dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

    You’d also get a qualifying comment about cases being low without acknowledgement of why that is so.


  • #5520
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Stheno wrote: »
    Prof Nolan saying current restrictions are sufficient for now



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0102/1187293-coronavirus-ireland/

    They should just put off opening schools now and make plans to go online instead of this wait and see approach.


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  • #5521
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Stheno wrote: »
    Prof Nolan saying current restrictions are sufficient for now



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0102/1187293-coronavirus-ireland/

    Does Nolan do any blogs on his analysis? I have seen him providing analysis by Twitter but that is a poor medium for detailed explanations.


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