Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

Ger Roe wrote: »

What about the covid app, did it ever do anything for us? You would think that now is its chance to shine and yet from looking at the daily check in notifications, interaction with it has probably never been lower.

Right now is when it should be at its most useful, but interaction with it dropped off a cliff with the early battery draining issue and very little attempt was made to restore confidence, even now as the virus rages and the tracing system fails, there is no mention of getting people to use it.

Is that because it's useless, because the powers that be have forgotten about it, or because they couldn't handle any more data from it, even if they wanted to?

Biggest problems in my opinion is that Bluetooth doesn't understand walls or ceilings.

Someone in my office was identified as a close contact despite not seeing the other person. Their offices are above each other.

Second problem is that people aren't engaging.

lawred2 wrote: »

Seniority based on time served will do that to any organization

Seniority is gone from the public service for decades. The HSE has a system failure but there are complicated reasons for this. And the vast majority of people who work in the HSE are dedicated and do actually save lives. Nurses and doctors have died of Covid 19 which they have caught in the line of duty. We owe them a lot.

Not aimed at you but Revenue and Social Protection IT systems facilitated the payments to business and individuals to keep livelihoods on life support for the last 10 months. That is the same public service people are criticising.

Ger Roe wrote: »

What about the covid app, did it ever do anything for us? You would think that now is its chance to shine and yet from looking at the daily check in notifications, interaction with it has probably never been lower.

Right now is when it should be at its most useful, but interaction with it dropped off a cliff with the early battery draining issue and very little attempt was made to restore confidence, even now as the virus rages and the tracing system fails, there is no mention of getting people to use it.

Is that because it's useless, because the powers that be have forgotten about it, or because they couldn't handle any more data from it, even if they wanted to?

The much heralded ‘app’ has turned out to be pretty much useless imo.
All the advertising being done by the HSE about what we should all be doing never mentions the app.
It appears to be the same in the UK. It’s never mentioned in any of the news reporting or public advice as far as I can see.
I suppose it was worth trying but has turned out to be a waste of time and money.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I blame the virus, humans are social creatures well most are.

Virus is only being social as well.
It's up to humans to fix the issue.

*My worry is that with virus circulating at high levels in many countries it will be given every opportunity to evolve into a vaccine resistant strain. It really needs to be suppressed alongside vaccination program to give us the best chance of moving on. .

* completely unscientific opinion.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Seniority is gone from the public service for decades. The HSE has a system failure but there are complicated reasons for this. And the vast majority of people who work in the HSE are dedicated and do actually save lives. Nurses and doctors have died of Covid 19 which they have caught in the line of duty. We owe them a lot.

Not aimed at you but Revenue and Social Protection IT systems facilitated the payments to business and individuals to keep livelihoods on life support for the last 10 months. That is the same public service people are criticising.

It's quite clearly not the same public service...

And throwing up nurses and doctors as cover for the administrative, technical and fiduciary failings of the HSE is all too overdone.

When the HSE is subject to criticism; near zero of that is aimed at doctors or nurses.

Nobody is expecting a nurse to head up HSE IT projects.

seamus wrote: »

Clear rift opening up between govt and NPHET at the moment.

Martin went heavy on, "Our strategy failed because the new UK variant is harder to contain".

De Gascún has been at pains over the last few days to tell us that less than 10% of new cases are the new variant.

Which means the current surge is down to rampant socialising over December, and nothing else.

Don't let the panic merchants wind you up. Nothing has really changed here; the virus is spreading exactly as it would be expected to, and will be suppressed by restrictions, just like we expect it to.

Children are not suddenly more at risk. We're not going to be locked down till April struggling to get numbers down.

Studies from the UK suggest that children may be more susceptible to this new variant. There are also early reports of more children in hospital with covid than in previous waves. We simply don't know if children are suddenly more at risk or not.

Jaded Walker wrote: »

So I see we are stuck on below 1800 announced cases per day. Is this a situation where that's the most they can notify in a day?
Why can they not bring in people who are unemployed on temporary contracts to help out.
We have no hope of getting this thing under control if we are unable to track, trace and notify.

I think that we have reached the point where tracing is neither possible or useful. It only works where the numbers are small. If the virus is popping up all over the country and in all sorts of settings, (as it seems to be), then we have no hope of containing it by testing and tracing.
We can slow the spread a bit by reducing social contacts but with the increasing rate of infection it will probably get to most of the population before the vaccine does.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yes all well and good and nice on the emotive side.....
So how do you convince a section of society to live like hermits when the virus is of little harm to them?

Might be a bit late in their early 20s to try and foster empathy for others. Do these people genuinely not give a sh1t about their grandparents or other vulnerable relatives?

The path of Covid19 moving through the population is the same as every other seasonal illness that passes through the population every year.
The 2nd peak of a new virus is never as large as the first.
The hospitals were not overwhelmed in April as the majority of people died in care homes. 90 % of the people that died were not even offered ICU as ethically they were too old or too sick to try to save.
There is no evidence any meger steps by us humans to change the course of a virus have worked in any country in the world over the last year.
Viral respiratory illnesses move through very low population densitys and have done yearly since humans have walked on 2 legs.
PCR testing gives too many false positives and does not provide us with a realistic picture of the virus. The WHO stated last month that due to feedback from countries around reporting too many false positives a PCR positive test should only count as a case if it is accompanied with symptoms. NEPHET are not doing this and do they are misleading the irish people
There is no evidence that asymptomatic people are driving transmission.
In January 2018 more people died due to seasonal illness than at the height of the peak in April.
So far this winter hospitals and ICU have been at record lows. Our deaths this winter have been unusually low and there are no excess deaths.
2020 on paper in terms of health has been no different than any other year.
The average age of a Covid19 death in Ireland is 84. The average age of death in Ireland is 82.
Our response to Covid19 is not evidence based. Its is politically and ideologically driven.
NEPHET are not experts in infectious diseases they are mostly bureaucrats who have been involved in scandal after scandal. They have been part of a corrupt and incompetent system milking the irish people for decades.
The Irish people have over indulged in fear porn and no longer possess the cognitive abilty to look objectively at the crises we have created for ourselves.
Next time you think of patting these clowns on the back for a job well done remember they locked you into your home and shut down businesses for almost a year. They have kept their voter base in the public sector fullly paid. Spent billions but did not create one additional hospital bed.

Seen this online but it sums it up very well .

Dont worry everyone....Ryan Tubridy will come back from his well deserved Christmas break soon.....

He will soothe the nation with his wise words and assure us that everything will be fine...

Doesnt matter if its true or not...everything will be fine.....because Tubridy is the king of kindness...we dont deserve him....he should be paid €1million a year for his role as a national treasure during this pandemic...

antodeco wrote: »

But I still don't understand why they can't go "we have 8750 additional cases to report. Why don't we just take 1000 of this number and add it to our "max reporting figure"?" And then keep adding each day until the swabs are gone.

I think its because they need to be inputted into the system to check for duplicates and errors. The figures arent accurate and reliable until this is done. And if you go outside the system and do it manually until the backlog is cleared you are running a massive risk of further cock-ups when the data us finally imputed alongside current data coming in. The big question is, why wasn't the system upgraded/replaced to cope with this eventuality?