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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #302
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Stheno wrote: »
    Hse live tweeted earlier that something is wrong with it

    :D

    I'm so sick off all of them at this stage hse and that gang in power.


  • #303
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    UK scientists suggesting that 1 million people will have to be vaccinated every week to bring infections under control in the near future... Any indication as to what number we will need to target for here to achieve this?


  • #304
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    Hard to keep the numbers with schools been open

    I am not a teacher, but prior to the Christmas break, I was delivering presentations to primary schools and felt safe with the precautions being taken at the school and imposed on me, before and during my visits. Some schools were operating on a fort Knox approach and there was a high level of commitment required from selected visitors to gain access.

    I am not so sure about resuming after the break however. The community contract implied in opening the schools in September was that we all worked to keep the general case numbers low.

    I really feel that the contract has been torn up now and that has to have an effect on the future school numbers - they were very low while a general effort was being made to keep it that way, but now the public buy in seems to have been lost.


  • #305
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    UK scientists suggesting that 1 million people will have to be vaccinated every week to bring infections under control in the near future... Any indication as to what number we will need to target for here to achieve this?

    Probably 100-200 thousand?


  • #306
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Surely there could be room for some lateral thinking. It is usually 3 days after death to funeral. In that space of time could all the bereaved family and close friends etc not get a test done prior to the funeral and attend with clear conscience and do what it human and humane at funerals if they do not have covid?

    That sounds like a good idea.

    I know why NPHET wouldn't like it. The tests are a bit crap. You could be on day 4 of incubation and it wouldn't show but you could be infectious on day 6 when the funeral is.

    However I do think that in situations like funerals where close contact will happen it's better to have a test even if that test is a bit problematic.


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  • #307
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    bazermc wrote: »
    Paul Reid on news at one on RTÉ.

    They are processing average 23,000 tests a day with 10% positivity rate so should be 2,300 cases a day shortly.

    It's not quite what he said, he said the community positivity rate is 10%, they are not doing 23,000 community tests, that 23,000 includes hospital testing.
    As for serial testing, I'm not sure that's classed as community testing.
    Needless to say, an increase in community positivity will see an increase in cases.


  • #308
    Pcgamer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Pcgamer


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The degree of selfishness on view this Xmas is astounding. People just could not care about the greater good, it's all about the self. Generation Me.

    Close the schools and people might.


  • #309
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It's not quite what he said, he said the community positivity rate is 10%, they are not doing 23,000 community tests, that 23,000 includes hospital testing.
    As for serial testing, I'm not sure that's classed as community testing.
    Needless to say, an increase in community positivity will see an increase in cases.

    He used his words correctly and deliberately so as to give an impression that things are worse than they are. He did not say 2300 cases but many people would have said this was his implication.


  • #310
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Israel plan to vaccinate 50% of its citizens within 30 days and the other in another 30 days think 9m pop


  • #311
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    sterz wrote: »
    Who the hell even thinks parades are on the cards?

    One of our respected celebrity experts wanted parades this year, because culture, when the virus was getting stuck into Italy. :D


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  • #312
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    Israel plan to vaccinate 50% of its citizens within 30 days and the other in another 30 days think 9m pop

    Interesting that Israel seem to have secured more supplies more quickly (per capita) than US, UK or EU


  • #313
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    bazermc wrote: »
    Paul Reid on news at one on RTÉ.

    They are processing average 23,000 tests a day with 10% positivity rate so should be 2,300 cases a day shortly.

    Hopefully will start to drop now that restrictions back in. Up down all the way to vaccines!


  • #314
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Any chance they'll start the vaccines on Monday now?!


  • #315
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The degree of selfishness on view this Xmas is astounding. People just could not care about the greater good, it's all about the self. Generation Me.


    I felt guilty about spending a few hours with my parents on Christmas Day but no one else seems to give two ****s.


    Cars in and out of the estate day and night since Christmas Eve, i've heard house parties every night for the past week or so and my social media is full of people on the sesh.


  • #316
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Any chance they'll start the vaccines on Monday now?!

    No. Paul Reid said earlier on News at One, that there might be some done on Tuesday, but the official rollout starts on Wednesday.

    He said a very cautious approach was being followed with regard to training, database development, transport logistics and max shots per day for the medics administrating. He expected all aspects to be ramped up, once they have gained the experience of administering over the first few days.

    Of all the reasons given, I strongly suspect that the database (for shot records and consent approvals) is probably the main holdup. We already have people who know how to give an injection, but the database is being developed from scratch in a very short timeframe.


  • #317
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    Israel plan to vaccinate 50% of its citizens within 30 days and the other in another 30 days think 9m pop

    That will be great. For observation and analysis.

    The main problem with vaccines is about 85% of the world's population won't have any choice to take one for years.


  • #318
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    For Paul Reid's cautious see unprepared

    The HSE had plenty of time to put in place plans for vaccine rollout esp after the UK went first

    No surprise they couldn't hit the ground running like other countries


  • #319
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    What about the other vaccines likely to be made available? Are the projections including those?

    Should extra vaccines speed everything up? Or maybe that is looking at things a bit too simply?!


  • #320
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    I felt guilty about spending a few hours with my parents on Christmas Day but no one else seems to give two ****s.


    Cars in and out of the estate day and night since Christmas Eve, i've heard house parties every night for the past week or so and my social media is full of people on the sesh.

    Not guilty enough to stop you doing it though, neighbour probably saw your car and said the same thing, that selfish person could not care less about the pandemic, he has been parked there for hours.


  • #321
    Bubbaclaus
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    Ger Roe wrote: »
    No. Paul Reid said earlier on News at One, that there might be some done on Tuesday, but the official rollout starts on Wednesday.

    He said a very cautious approach was being followed with regard to training, database development, transport logistics and max shots per day for the medics administrating. He expected all aspects to be ramped up, once they have gained the experience of administering over the first few days.

    Of all the reasons given, I strongly suspect that the database (for shot records and consent approvals) is probably the main holdup. We already have people who know how to give an injection, but the database is being developed from scratch in a very short timeframe.

    Clearly they never even considered that we may have to roll out a vaccine at some point, if this still isn't sorted.


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  • #322
    Stheno
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    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    What about the other vaccines likely to be made available? Are the projections including those?

    Should extra vaccines speed everything up? Or maybe that is looking at things a bit too simply?!

    Moderna approval expected 6th January, Oxford later in January

    If it goes as Pfizer we'd get first doses about a week after approval


  • #323
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    What about the other vaccines likely to be made available? Are the projections including those?

    Should extra vaccines speed everything up? Or maybe that is looking at things a bit too simply?!

    Extra vaccines should speed everything up ....... providing we have the qualified medics to administer, the logistics expertise to transport and distribute, the database to record the shots and personal details, the overall management capacity to plan and deliver.

    They are the factors that are most worrying in our particular case. There will certainly be more vaccines available, but will we be able to scale up and take maximum advantage of the opportunities presented?


  • #324
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    What about the other vaccines likely to be made available? Are the projections including those?

    Should extra vaccines speed everything up? Or maybe that is looking at things a bit too simply?!

    They should, if we we'll be able to vaccinate fast enough.


  • #325
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Far too much noise being made about the vaccination dates tbh. It's a small tranch being started a day or two later than *some* other EU countries.

    In a months time the difference of 10,000 vaccinations a couple of days will be nothing in the overall. Hundreds of people arent going to die because the HSE is starting on Wednesday. It won't delay the delivery of future batches of the vaccine.


  • #326
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭Russman


    seamus wrote: »
    Far too much noise being made about the vaccination dates tbh. It's a small tranch being started a day or two later than *some* other EU countries.

    In a months time the difference of 10,000 vaccinations a couple of days will be nothing in the overall. Hundreds of people arent going to die because the HSE is starting on Wednesday. It won't delay the delivery of future batches of the vaccine.

    It’s mostly the optics of it though.
    A percentage of people, rightly or wrongly assume/know the HSE will make a balls of this, probably for some obscure bureaucratic reason(s). Being seen to be starting a few days behind our peer countries in the EU just gives more fuel to the argument. All they had to do was jab 100 people somewhere, anywhere, today and claim they’ve started. Nobody would question it then.


  • #327
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    seamus wrote: »
    Far too much noise being made about the vaccination dates tbh. It's a small tranch being started a day or two later than *some* other EU countries.

    In a months time the difference of 10,000 vaccinations a couple of days will be nothing in the overall. Hundreds of people arent going to die because the HSE is starting on Wednesday. It won't delay the delivery of future batches of the vaccine.

    Maybe but it's another example of just how unprepared the HSE are

    If they are messing up a small doses how will they be able to handle bigger doses when they come on stream?

    If even one nursing home gets infected in the meantime that could have been prevented by the HSE hitting the ground running it's unforgiveable

    It's not a good look no matter what way Reid and Varadkar try to spin it


  • #328
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,522 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    Close the schools and people might.

    That makes no logical sense. Try a new tune.


  • #329
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That makes no logical sense. Try a new tune.

    Think the records stuck!


  • #330
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Any chance they'll start the vaccines on Monday now?!

    Very good chance we will get a token Aul wan vaccinated tomorrow for optics and press purposes.

    The HSE Twitter bot is probably registering a bit of static today over the rollout delay.


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  • #331
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    KrustyUCC wrote: »

    The HSE had plenty of time to put in place plans for vaccine rollout esp after the UK went first

    What a bizarre statement


  • #332
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,522 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Stheno wrote: »
    Think the records stuck!

    On a monotonous tune too.


  • #333
    Stheno
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Maybe but it's another example of just how unprepared the HSE are

    If they are messing up a small doses how will they be able to handle bigger doses when they come on stream?

    If even one nursing home gets infected in the meantime that could have been prevented by the HSE hitting the ground running it's unforgiveable

    It's not a good look no matter what way Reid and Varadkar try to spin it
    I'm having visions of Veradkar on the phone to Reid tell in him to get a move on after Veradkars interview this morning tbh


  • #334
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,522 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Very good chance we will get a token Aul wan vaccinated tomorrow for optics and press purposes.

    Any need to refer to an older person as an Aul wan?


  • #335
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,010 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Of course not but let's take an example day of November 25 when 362 swabs were positive, if you tested twice the number of people at the same positive rate you would have 724 positive swabs...


    yes, but if you test people who are not contacts of people with Covid then you would not have the same positive rate. If you test randomers you would get some positives but nowhere near as many.


  • #336
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Stheno wrote: »
    Moderna approval expected 6th January, Oxford later in January

    If it goes as Pfizer we'd get first doses about a week after approval

    Yeah but are they included in projections currently? I think the general feeling is they will be approved...I would imagine would extra vaccines would speed everything up but I don’t see any mention of this...Maybe I am missing something....

    Also how/who decides which vaccine people should get?


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  • #337
    Stheno
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    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Yeah but are they included in projections currently? I think the general feeling is they will be approved...I would imagine would extra vaccines would speed everything up but I don’t see any mention of this...Maybe I am missing something....

    Also how/who decides which vaccine people should get?

    Not included in current projections as we don't know what numbers we will get and when

    The vaccination strategy group will decide who gets what vaccine

    Id imagine gp practices and pharmacies/vaccine hubs will get Oxford due to both the fact it does not need special storage and we are due to get a couple of million doses of it


  • #338
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,313 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Yeah but are they included in projections currently? I think the general feeling is they will be approved...I would imagine would extra vaccines would speed everything up but I don’t see any mention of this...Maybe I am missing something....

    Also how/who decides which vaccine people should get?

    They aren't in the current projections. Mentioned by Varadkar earlier the current timelines are only based on Pfizer, timelines get brought forward when more come on stream


  • #339
    klose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Whatever about the vaccinations not starting till Tuesday if its a Monday to Friday 9 to 5 job heads should roll. If the HSEs incompetence over the years didn't mean so many healthcare workers had to move abroad to find work maybe we would be in a position to mass vacinate but of course that won't be the case.


  • #340
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Stheno wrote: »
    Not included in current projections as we don't know what numbers we will get and when

    The vaccination strategy group will decide who gets what vaccine

    Id imagine gp practices and pharmacies/vaccine hubs will get Oxford due to both the fact it does not need special storage and we are due to get a couple of million doses of it

    Cool....Fair enough....Sounds positive to me though - hard to predict future but sounds reasonable enough to think things may go a bit quicker than anticipated:) Hopefully:)


  • #341
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Any need to refer to an older person as an Aul wan?

    Aul is a very Irish variation of old. What's you problem?

    Older person? Should that not be senior citizen?


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  • #342
    rooney30
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭rooney30


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Interesting that Israel seem to have secured more supplies more quickly (per capita) than US, UK or EU


    Careful now!


  • #343
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Cool....Fair enough....Sounds positive to me though - hard to predict future but sounds reasonable enough to think things may go a bit quicker than anticipated:) Hopefully:)

    Things will be fine. The coming weeks positivity will raise as death numbers drop.

    We are nearly there.


  • #344
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    klose wrote: »
    Whatever about the vaccinations not starting till Tuesday if its a Monday to Friday 9 to 5 job heads should roll. If the HSEs incompetence over the years didn't mean so many healthcare workers had to move abroad to find work maybe we would be in a position to mass vacinate but of course that won't be the case.

    That's just for nursing homes


  • #345
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    klose wrote: »
    Whatever about the vaccinations not starting till Tuesday if its a Monday to Friday 9 to 5 job heads should roll. If the HSEs incompetence over the years didn't mean so many healthcare workers had to move abroad to find work maybe we would be in a position to mass vacinate but of course that won't be the case.

    What about all those that came home at the start of all this? Did they emigrate again? Apparently it took time to train these people to give ICU care. But surely it doesn't take time to give injections?


  • #346
    Looney1
    Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Looney1


    7 day post rate up to 6.6


  • #347
    MerlinSouthDub
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    rooney30 wrote: »
    Careful now!

    I was not trying to make a point with that comment, just curious. I suppose with their small population and good financial resources, they were just able to secure a decent supply.


  • #348
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,054 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Surely there could be room for some lateral thinking. It is usually 3 days after death to funeral. In that space of time could all the bereaved family and close friends etc not get a test done prior to the funeral and attend with clear conscience and do what it human and humane at funerals if they do not have covid?

    What method do you use to confirm and verify all say 80 attendees have been tested and are verifiably free of covid... ? Who is responsible for ensuring this ?

    The virus just wants to infect you and attack you, it doesn’t give a flying monkeys why you are in the church, spiritual reason, how sad you are, how many prayers you’ll say... the body of Christ etc... fûck that..., we need to be prioritizing the health and wellbeing of those of us living....

    If that means a few noses out of joint, a few tears... whatever, so be it.


  • #349
    octsol
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭octsol


    Any case numbers today?


  • #350
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    octsol wrote: »
    Any case numbers today?

    Probably won't be coming for B other 20 or 40 minutes.


  • #351
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,313 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    No wonder Paul Reid said 10% positivity, the swab numbers have been updated.

    Last 24hrs 3364 tests, 338 postive swabs = 10%

    25th - 21097 tests , 1629 positives

    26th - 11930 tests, 1204 positives


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