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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    blade1 wrote: »
    The opposite in fact.
    Let's just start jabbing everyone left, right and centre so.
    Happy then?

    Do you think that's what other countries do today?? Nope, plans ready and medical personnel ready to vaccinate.

    What do we have? Plenty of time..


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Typical Irish arra shur twill be grand attitude.

    Hundreds of thousands forced out of employment, arra we'll sit on our holes administering the vaccine and drag out the economic recovery. Why operate seven days a week like other European countries, nah five is enough and never mind your 24 hour service. People with mortgages to pay and families to support, at the mercy of a lackadaisical HSE. God help them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,331 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Sky News covering the roll out in Europe this morning.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    nothing to see here :eek:

    oh its sunday day off for the lads


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Big jump in hospitalisations in the last 24 hours, reminiscent of what we regularly saw back in March.
    Hopefully just a result of a single large outbreak or something, rather than what we can expect to see on a daily basis.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I hope the cases today are lower


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Danno wrote: »
    If someone told you in March that come Christmas Day we'd have 80k cases and 2k deaths with level 1 restrictions you'd have taken it to the bank. The reality is that everything beyond level 1 introduced by nephet have done f*** all with open borders. Suck it up.

    NPHET have nothing to do with border control policy. That is a political decision. As has been said many. many times - NPHET recommend actions, what actually happens afterwards is a result of poltical negotiations between the various parties in power and sometimes even internally between their own parties )back bench pressure - attacks on rural Ireland, leave my constituency alone! etc).

    It apparently is a result of the democratic process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    blade1 wrote: »
    Leave them enjoy their Christmas.

    Christmas is over.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭mike8634


    Big jump in hospitalisations in the last 24 hours, reminiscent of what we regularly saw back in March.
    Hopefully just a result of a single large outbreak or something, rather than what we can expect to see on a daily basis.

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    Tony

    Honestly don't worry about it

    You do know we get over a million hospital attendances per year?

    31 across the country is nothing

    Seriously some people need to work in a hospital for a while to get some perspective


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    mike8634 wrote: »
    Tony

    Honestly don't worry about it

    You do know we get over a million hospital attendances per year?

    31 across the country is nothing

    Seriously some people need to work in a hospital for a while to get some perspective

    None of these numbers are the end of the world, but an increasing trend is unsustainable.

    As for the vaccination, some greater urgency wouldn't be any harm, but the availability of vaccines will determine the ultimate rate of vaccination, not the rotas in the HSE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,684 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    Big jump in hospitalisations in the last 24 hours, reminiscent of what we regularly saw back in March.
    Hopefully just a result of a single large outbreak or something, rather than what we can expect to see on a daily basis.

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    Good thing we're on the ball with the vaccine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I was chilling out this morning and flicked across CNN, who just had a piece on about the vaccination process starting off in Europe with live pieces to reporters in Italy, France and Spain I think.

    So they are already starting off, while Ireland received two boxes into their fridge, with care homes a matter of minutes away from the storage location and they can’t get going. Every step of the way, people jumped through loopholes to get it out to countries ASAP with the meeting moved forward, EU approval. I’m sure a special transport was arranged on the morning after Christmas Day to get the vaccine here.

    Then our lads go, ah yeah that arrived a bit quick, well lads we’re actually on holidays til Tuesday and despite it being a pandemic, we haven’t done the training, so yeah will get that done on Tuesday and hope to get going on Wednesday!

    I always doubted their ability to get the program of vaccination underway and we have started with an own goal. I really hope we can get back in front again, but I sincerely doubt it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,949 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Can doctor Tony be brought onto the front line and told to start jabbing? Think we can all agree we have seen enough of his mug at press conferences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,691 ✭✭✭✭fits


    They’ll get through those two boxes of vaccines in jig time and then will be waiting for next shipment to arrive. Main thing is to get it right. Rushing isn’t necessary at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    bikeman1 wrote: »
    I was chilling out this morning and flicked across CNN, who just had a piece on about the vaccination process starting off in Europe with live pieces to reporters in Italy, France and Spain I think.

    So they are already starting off, while Ireland received two boxes into their fridge, with care homes a matter of minutes away from the storage location and they can’t get going. Every step of the way, people jumped through loopholes to get it out to countries ASAP with the meeting moved forward, EU approval. I’m sure a special transport was arranged on the morning after Christmas Day to get the vaccine here.

    Then our lads go, ah yeah that arrived a bit quick, well lads we’re actually on holidays til Tuesday and despite it being a pandemic, we haven’t done the training, so yeah will get that done on Tuesday and hope to get going on Wednesday!

    I always doubted their ability to get the program of vaccination underway and we have started with an own goal. I really hope we can get back in front again, but I sincerely doubt it.

    The Covid app hasn't been updated since Christmas Eve. I know it's only a minor thing in the whole circumstance, but if you want it to be treated seriously and the info is there anyway (because data is still being reported elsewhere daily), then how difficult could it be to arrange for someone to input the numbers once a day to negate the public impression that they are all off on their holidays, while the virus rages?

    It's all about public perception and the HSE has never bought into that theory, even when it seems easy to do so.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    On a per capita basis, we're currently the 15th worst country on the planet for new cases.

    It follows that in a matter of weeks, we'll be in a similar situation with deaths per million


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    More than 1 in every 30 people in Dublin has been confirmed as infected as of today. Sounds huge really,I'm surprised I don't know that many people who have had it still. I'm guessing a lot of people must kind of keep it to themselves. Tbf don't know if I'd go around telling everyone myself if I got it either.

    Whaaaa? Something wrong there!
    Or do you mean since the beginning? Is it that high?

    Only 86k cases ever?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Whaaaa? Something wrong there!

    Maybe it means in total since pandemic started. Which would be about 3%. Which would be about the expected percentage of infection from reported cases given a certain unknown amount have gone and do go unreported. People might forget that the vast majority of people have never had covid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Maybe it means in total since pandemic started. Which would be about 3%. Which would be about the expected percentage of infection from reported cases given a certain unknown amount have gone and do go unreported. People might forget that the vast majority of people have never had covid.

    Yeah, must be. 86k is about 1 in 60 so possibly higher ratio in Dublin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Crazy numbers, If the r rate does not lower soon. Were in for a third wave worse than many predicted.

    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1343159824910077953


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Ouch that's not good

    I think demand will fall somehwat after Christmas when people start returning to other countries


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Christmas is over.

    Technically there's another 9 days not counting today :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Worst thing they could ever have done was give people the impression that the vaccine would be widely available early next year and it'd be all done and dusted by summer.

    People just gave up on the simple stuff like handwashing and distancing the minute they heard that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Crazy numbers, If the r rate does not lower soon. Were in for a third wave worse than many predicted.

    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1343159824910077953

    If only we had a vaccine to give to people ........ now.
    But we'll wait for the HSE to get back from holidays, and then do a bit of training. And then maybe the vaccination process may start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Worst thing they could ever have done was give people the impression that the vaccine would be widely available early next year and it'd be all done and dusted by summer.

    People just gave up on the simple stuff like handwashing and distancing the minute they heard that.

    The experts have said all along that it would be about 6 to 9 months before the vaccines have any impact on restrictions. So many people here have been claiming with certainty that most of the restrictions will be gone by March/April.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Crazy numbers, If the r rate does not lower soon. Were in for a third wave worse than many predicted.

    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1343159824910077953

    If community positivity is at 10% and there were 23000 tests yesterday then there would be 2300 cases today

    And like so many others Reid not replying to questions about vaccines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    jackboy wrote: »
    The experts have said all along that it would be about 6 to 9 months before the vaccines have any impact on restrictions. So many people here have been claiming with certainty that most of the restrictions will be gone by March/April.

    All the experts have said this?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Kivaro wrote: »
    If only we had a vaccine to give to people ........ now.
    But we'll wait for the HSE to get back from holidays, and then do a bit of training. And then maybe the vaccination process may start.


    We only have a handful of doses. It's going to make **** all difference for a good long while.


  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    I work for the HSE and they dragged me in (on my own) for manual handling training that I needed to update on Thursday morning at 8am. We all get that training every two years and mine had gone over, so it needed to be updated before I could work again.

    Why they can organise that training especially on Christmas eve, but they couldn't organise the vaccine administration training today actually blows my brain to smithereens.

    Me suing them because I lifted a box wrong and hurt my back is clearly more of a priority than the pandemic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,164 ✭✭✭shmeee


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Kivaro wrote: »
    If only we had a vaccine to give to people ........ now.
    But we'll wait for the HSE to get back from holidays, and then do a bit of training. And then maybe the vaccination process may start.

    The image of Donnelly and Co with all their phones out while a forklift slowly unloads 2 box of the vaccine was extremely infuriating. Should have been photo of the army rushing to distribute it as quickly and efficiently as possible. Reid I think tweeted that yesteday and now today he is deeply worried. Its very conflicting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    30,000 people or more who landed in from UK are being made get a test regardless

    last day we had data positivity rate was around 5.2%

    testing numbers had risen from average of around 10-12k to over 20k

    This a result of Christmas demand and necessity for arrivals from UK etc to have a test.

    If we test 100k people tomorrow at 5% we will obviously find more cases,


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    We are looking at 550 or so in hospital in week


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    30,000 people or more who landed in from UK are being made get a test regardless

    last day we had data positivity rate was around 5.2%

    testing numbers had risen from average of around 10-12k to over 20k

    This a result of Christmas demand and necessity for arrivals from UK etc to have a test.

    If we test 100k people tomorrow at 5% we will obviously find more cases,

    so if loads of these people arrived from the UK and get a positive test, they inflate our figures??


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Stheno wrote: »
    If community positivity is at 10% and there were 23000 tests yesterday then there would be 2300 cases today

    And like so many others Reid not replying to questions about vaccines

    Is "community positivity" definitely the positivity rate of all swabs taken?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    wadacrack wrote: »
    We are looking at 550 or so in hospital in week

    You may well be right but where did that figure come from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,909 ✭✭✭hynesie08


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    wadacrack wrote: »
    The image of Donnelly and Co with all their phones out while a forklift slowly unloads 2 box of the vaccine was extremely infuriating. Should have been photo of the army rushing to distribute it as quickly and efficiently as possible. Reid I think tweeted that yesteday and now today he is deeply worried. Its very conflicting

    What is the most efficient way? Should we have had a full army convoy to deliver Longford 4 doses of the vaccine?

    Or is in fact setting up appointments for the first batch of people to receive the vaccine when the vaccine has both a) arrived and B) stored actually the most efficient way?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    I work for the HSE and they dragged me in (on my own) for manual handling training that I needed to update on Thursday morning at 8am. We all get that training every two years and mine had gone over, so it needed to be updated before I could work again.

    Why they can organise that training especially on Christmas eve, but they couldn't organise the vaccine administration training today actually blows my brain to smithereens.

    Me suing them because I lifted a box wrong and hurt my back is clearly more of a priority than the pandemic.

    I would say the reason for the difference is that there is already a health and safety department looking after the manual handling. They are on top of that.

    The new pandemic logistics response department is still floundering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    zinfandel wrote: »
    so if loads of these people arrived from the UK and get a positive test, they inflate our figures??

    I am saying we are not comparing like with like at the moment...

    3 weeks ago we were doing around 10,000 tests a day at positivity rate of around 3%.

    Now we are doing over 20,000 tests a day at positivity rate of around 5-5.5%

    Things have obviously deteriorated and we need tightening of restrictions but the situation has not worsened to the level the daily case numbers would suggest


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    zinfandel wrote: »
    so if loads of these people arrived from the UK and get a positive test, they inflate our figures??

    Yes they do

    I know a neighbour who's nephew came back to Kerry for Christmas

    Test one negative, test two positive

    Resulted in 4 more positives in the family


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    I imagine community positivity is the community referrals from Tom Dick and Harry and not the normal testing done in hospitals etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    petes wrote: »
    All the experts have said this?

    I doubt it. Maybe the experts who want to be on the radio for more months. The reality is if the most vulnerable in society are immunised against this virus then restrictions will have to be lifted. Every additional day that the Govt has the economy on life support when this happens will have long term economic and societal impacts.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes they do

    I know a neighbour who's nephew came back to Kerry for Christmas

    Test one negative, test two positive

    Resulted in 4 more positives in the family

    Are any of them sick and needing hospital?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    I am saying we are not comparing like with like at the moment...

    3 weeks ago we were doing around 10,000 tests a day at positivity rate of around 3%.

    Now we are doing over 20,000 tests a day at positivity rate of around 5-5.5%

    Things have obviously deteriorated and we need tightening of restrictions but the situation has not worsened to the level the daily case numbers would suggest

    Could you explain that further please?, I genuinely don't understand what you are saying there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Could you explain that further please?, I genuinely don't understand what you are saying there.


    If we were doing 20,000 tests 3 weeks ago, the numbers would have been twice as high as they were then!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    You may well be right but where did that figure come from?

    No where tbh, my own estimation. 30 or so admissions a day. So 210 in one week. It could well be be worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Stheno wrote: »
    Are any of them sick and needing hospital?

    No thankfully

    That +5 in the case column though


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    No thankfully

    That +5 in the case column though

    Sure but if they are not sick and are isolating thats good

    I wonder how many other cases like this are out there

    30k people came in from the UK and of course there is no tracing of them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I doubt it. Maybe the experts who want to be on the radio for more months. The reality is if the most vulnerable in society are immunised against this virus then restrictions will have to be lifted. Every additional day that the Govt has the economy on life support when this happens will have long term economic and societal impacts.

    6 to 9 months minimum before any impact on restrictions. Nothing the government can do about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    jackboy wrote: »
    6 to 9 months minimum before any impact on restrictions. Nothing the government can do about that.

    Can you answer my question? All the experts have said this?


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