Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fact you should be praising me for my honesty rather than claiming I have an 'agenda'.
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gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Do you know what a "values and behaviours" coach is and Mayo had one?

Would a "values and behaviours" coach help the Dubs in their constant demand for total praise and attention 🤔?.

SomethingElse wrote: »

I'd completely agree with that too, from my many trips to Croke Park I've always found Kerry fans to conduct themselves with genuine class. Dublin fans on the other hand have been a completely different experience. A lot of this can be attributed to socio-economic issues in our capital - a section of the Dublin support would be from deprived areas where education standards are poor and this is reflected in their general demeanour and conduct.

I have to be honest and in the real world I've always found Dublin supporters dead on and respectful. However, there is an element online that are nasty enough.

On the other hand I've found Kerry supporters can come across as very condescending.

No doubt there's a cohort of Mayo supporters too that let our side down.

Think this is the first time I've seen Tim described as a 'supporter'. He's a loudmouth clown who loves the sound of his own voice. His trumped sense of his own importance tells you all that you need to know.

homewardbound11 wrote: »

Since the match I have looked over social media comments from supporters . It is a absolutely mind boggling how poor the average Dublin supporter who comments on media articles . The manner in which they drive digs at opposition is of a vulgar low level intelligence .
I remember being at a league game when Armagh were coming off their peak ( mid 00s) . I brought a UK friend to see a Gaa game . The level of insults of abuse from men in their retirement age was offensive . We never even said a word but thankfully we moved to another part of the stadium .
I roll on to the semifinal in 2019 and were with my young family in the family section . The family in front of us spear headed by their father just riled abuse at mayo and directed it at us . Again we moved out of disgust . My kids nA we want to return to Croke park after that Dublin family’s abusive remarks . We are no frail family but do know when to keep our mouths shut .
Kerry annihilated mayo in04 and 06. None of their supporters hurled abuse at mayo . I’m sure they were glad of the easy win but again the breed of winner was different in Kerry . At least publically . What they write on their own Kerry pro boards is upto them selves but generally not directed outward .
So why is it that the large minority of positing Dublin supporter has to remark with adolescent replies solely at the aim of disrespect and herd calling .

I don't think its fair to single out Dublin here. There is gombeens in every county including our own. Did none of you see some of the comments directed at Philly McMahon from Mayo fans online? The worst behaviour i ever seen was from a mayo fan in the 17 final when he leaned forward over two rows and hit a child (dublin fan sitting beside his father) over the head with a program.

Dublin has a bigger fan base so there may well be more gombeens but I wouldn't class them as the average fan at all. Not from my experience of them anyway.

Had good craic in Castlebar on a few occasions with the traveling Dub support.

The luck of the draw I suppose, you never know what fools you are going to chance upon. In fairness, there have been plenty of Mayo fools as well that I've had to avoid!

I never had a problem with the Dublin supporters in fact I actually was stuck in Hill 16 one year and it was fine. That said I had to relocate due to Tyrone abuse another year and in that famous Kerry Match in Limerick I got a jacket burned from some eejit setting off sparklers.

So when Paddy or Aido or Cillian bursts through with a ball, and the primal roar erupts, it's not just about a game of football.

Maybe re think that statement when paddy and cillian burst through out dear captain as he has always done vanishes Adio no time to cop on

interlocked wrote: »

I've got to get this off my chest.

People think that Mayo people are on their knees with despair after losing ten All Finals, that we are broken with defeats and are serial losers.

It's the total opposite.

Mayo football in the last twenty years has been the greatest catalyst in reviving the morale of our county. We don't look at ourselves anymore as a maternity ward for emigrants, nor the lament of John Healy's magnificent cry of "No one shouted Stop". My parish for example, in 1841 had a population of 8,200, in 1981, it was 900. We were broken, scattered across the world, and yet we clung to the green and red. It meant something, it meant home.

So when Paddy or Aido or Cillian bursts through with a ball, and the primal roar erupts, it's not just about a game of football.

We've regained our identity now, and we wear it proudly, wherever in the world we walk. We stand tall and declare proudly where we're from. It matters, it matters an awful lot.

A Mayo man or woman now stands up with that crest on their chest and are damned proud of it. We've gained a renewed appreciation of where we live and the beauty that it contains.

That's why we support the lads so rabidly, we know that they represent the best of us, we see that they are the best of us, and we know really, that whether All ireland or no, it's beyond football, it always was....

Brilliantly put. I was thinking the same thing several times. You hear about this poor Mayo fans rubbish. It's obviously awful tough for the players to just fall short from topping the podium time after time. But for the supporters we are absolutely blessed to have such a decade of following the Mayo team. Face it, we are a minority county in that we have do not have near the resources that the bigger traditional counties have. But for some reason the team has excelled far beyond what it really should need have. Maybe it's just fortune that a great group of players came along at the same time. I don't know. But whatever it is, I have had numerous highs in following them, particularly since 2012. The highs far outweigh the lows.
Don't get me wrong, it would be unreal to hear the Green & red of Mayo blaring out after an All-Ireland win. But at the end of the say, it's the players that experience proper disappointment. For the rest of us, there will be a period of disappointment,but then life then just goes on. And soon will follow more of the same excitement and buzz that we have been accustomed to.

I would also question the minority bit? In terms of population there is 16 counties bigger than us but were nowhere near the smallest.

But in terms of following/fanbase we are surely only second to Dublin?

flasher0030 wrote: »

What does fanbase have to do with quality of performances and achievements over an 9 year period? Are you saying that it's because you think Mayo have such loud and enthusiastic followers, that that's what kept the team going with win after win, albeit falling short at the final hurdle? Many counties think they are a fanatical following, but it doesn't get them anywhere if the players are not there. I know recently O'Rourke was bigging up the Cavana supporters - best in the country etc. I haven't seen Cavan in too many all-Ireland finals.

As you say, Mayo have a middle of the road population; is a large county where players are sparsely located around the county, which doesn't help in terms of travel, meetings etc. ; many of the players are based in Dublin,which again is not ideal for team bonding.

Came across the following link. There may be something more up to date; But in the decade from 2007 to 2017, Mayo were 26th out of 32, in a listing of the counties receiving funding coaching/game development grants from GAA.

https://twitter.com/SeanMcGoldrick1/status/959548617701969922/photo/1

And yet in spite of the above, we have been in 4 of the last 9 All-Irelands. I think that's an amazing achievement. I genuinely don't think having any pot of gold has helped Mayo - sponsorship etc. As far as I know the county board are up to their neck in debt, so that's going to be a factor before throwing money at the senior team. I'm sure the spending on the senior mens team is high enough - but it has to be considering the funding requirement needed to pay for the expenses incurred in a run to an All-Ireland final. But it's not that spending that got the team going back in 2012 when they kinda came out of nowhere to get to the final. And as per the link above the spending on the games development has been very low.

Im not saying anything at all. Sorry I should have worded it more directly. When you say Mayo are a minority county, what do you mean? I'm not saying you're wrong or anything I am just curious what you mean by minority? On the funding bit, the money we receive from croke Park is only part of the puzzle. I don't know the numbers for the last few years but in 2017 only Dublin and Cork spent more than us in the year.
I am a Mayo fan and think we have done very well over the last decade and its great.

The Supporter wrote: »

If Mayo are to win the Big Prize in the future the following changes will have to be made - (1) Every thing that happens inside the Mayo Camp will have to be water tight, there are many examples of the benefits of a water tight camps, Tyrone in 1993 were lucky to draw with Down in Ulster Final,they had big problems at fullback, for the replay Mickey Harte moved Cormac McAnallen from midfield to full back, the move was a great success, Tyrone caught Down by surprise with the move (No one outside the Tyrone camp knew of the new fullback until throw in). In 2008 All Ireland Final Harte replaced one of his corner backs just minutes before throw in by Justin or Joe McMahon and he moved both of the McMahons to the full back line to mark Walsh and Donaghy, it was a resounding success, again no one outside the camp knew of the move. In 2013 Davy Fitzgerald replaced the Clare full forward fifteen mins before throw with Shane McDonnell in All Ireland Hurling Final Replay, McDonnell scored 3 goals, no one outside of the Clare camp knew of the change. Jim McGuinness dropped one of his top players namely Kevin Cassidy from Donegal panel because he spoke to a journalist. Many many times out side Croke Park I heard of changes or injuries to the Mayo Team, if I could hear of those changes I am sure the news got to our opponents as well. (2) Complacency has cost us games down through the years ( Mayo won National League in 1970,2001 and 2019 and on each occasion Roscommon knocked us out of the Championship). In 2014 I spoke to a Mayo player days prior to Mayo playing Roscommon, I said to him be ready for the challenge Roscommon will bring, he seemed very surprised that Roscommon were a threat (Mayo scraped a one point win).Darragh O Se on Dublin,"they take every game seriously". Colm O Rourke on the same subject "Dublin don't do complacency or overconfidence".

The ConTel leak seemed to have been well and truly plugged this year.

Total tangent but I'd love if the idea of naming a 26 was binned. Have a squad of 30 named from each squad for programme purposes. Team has to be submitted 15mins before throw in and no late changes to that allowed.

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Is there much of a difference between naming 26 or 30?

Maybe just have a squad of 36 and be done with it. All allocated a squad number before start of competition. 4 changes allowed during competition to facilitate injuries/lack of form. Once removed from the 36 you aren't allowed back in until next competition.

seligehgit wrote: »

Read the article.

It's a very very disappointing attitude and disrespectful.

Not sure if he was misquoted.

Otherwise the ultimate of clickbait.

If these are the true thoughts of Doctor David Hickey he's better to keep them close to his chest than express same in public.

Can he not simply glow in the aftermath of a 5 in an row as opposed to going at it for a county that have experienced a real dearth of real success?

Hickey doesnt think much of Dublin either. He comes across as quite cynical but that is his way. Actually a quiet man, very deep thinker.

Green&Red wrote: »

Better team by some distance, the black card just delayed them pulling away. Not sure how there wasn’t a black card for Johnny Cooper, I suppose there is that rule that you can’t give two dubs blacks at the same time.

I was wrong on Oisin Mullen, he was ready for it, outstanding today and not just going forward but he’s definitely a half back

McLaughlin has a lot to learn on the skills and tackling side but he’s a serious athlete and only new to this, I wouldn’t be too hard on him

Conroy will be very disappointed, game passes him by

Cillian was outstanding with the service he got in the first half. Thought Ruane and Loftus had great games until they tired.
ROD had a good game but he needs to respect possession more.
Keegan really stepped up today

Pity McMahon got on, he’s a f**king tramp

Nothing to be disgraced about, those lads did us proud

I dont think Dublin were that much better. I and a few lads I work with expected Mayo to win. This to us was a better balanced team. Mullen, O'Donohue, MvLoughlin brought a new vibe to the team.
Conroy I felt sorry for but how often have we seen lads blaze a trail and then the final goes by in a flash for them?

Cillian O'Connor, Im not fond of his demeanor but what a player. My question is Why did Mayo take him so far away from goal He had the beating of Dublin practically on his own then Mayo stop punting the ball in to him? Him and A'OSe caused mayhem in Dublin defense and the ball just seemed to stop going in!!! Cillian actually received a ball on Mayo 20 meter line.

Philly McMahon is far from how you describe him. Like any other player he will do anything he can to gain an advantage as would a few of the Mayo lads and thats how it is. We wouldnt be happy with AOS hassling referees but if he gets an advantage out of it for his team so be it.


For me the game changed when Mayo had extra man. That was the time to run at Dublin and use long ball as in the first 25 minutes. It is hard for any team to sustain that for 70 minutes but Mayo had the players to go again, had played all the football and were better team. That said a few Mayo players seemed to tire very quickly in second half? Or did they seize up at half time? Was it the surreal occasion? Fenton had a quiet first half but lads like him will get a bit of time and he took his few early early possessions in second half to play himself back into game along with Niall Scully who for me is the real enginne of the Dublin team.

There are many positives for Mayo. As many have said McLoughlin and O'Donohue were superb. Oisin Mullen.... Young Player of the year. I would think there should be no retirements.
I think this is the best Mayo team I have seen and I think they will win an Ireland very soon.

I deliberately didnt comment after the final as my comments could be taken as "stirring". That is not the case. As a GAA supporter I hold in the highest regard any player who gives so much to their county be they from Dublin, Mayo Kerry Carlow or Wicklow.


Anyway we have been through a lot of bad stuff this year and the GAA was a great escape, a lifeline for us all. Thanks to all who made it happen.
Hopefully 2021 will see a lot of us meet up again and have the banter inside a GAA ground.

Happy new year to you all
#staySafe

seligehgit wrote: »

Great post LeoB.

Huge fan of posters who are magnanimous in victory and can appreciate all counties within the GAA community as opposed to those with tunnel vision tendencies.

Congrats on your win and many happy returns.

It costs nothing.
Club is far more important to me. Your neighbours, school pals, in-laws cousins....