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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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    #2342
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    cute geoge wrote: »
    what sort of detergent because if it is c/f i would tread carefully ,there seems to be alot of trial and error

    Try Arkfarm Innovation. I'm getting on okay with it. Tbc and thermo very low. Bit of buildup of fats on meters, but more my fault than than the detergent. End of year, I'm not doing what I was told to do.


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    #2343
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭alps


    tismeseoitis wrote: »
    Can i get recommendations for detergent companies please. I need to get a few quotes for ourchasing group. Thanks

    You dont have an easy task ahead of you.

    Your members will all have different washing regimes and no matter what quality product you get, some guys will have an issue, and turn around and bitch at you for the product you got.

    Make sure that whatever supplier you go in with, thatbthey take responsibility for the product and getting it to work correctly on every farm....this may cost you more on product the first time out, but it's important..


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    #2344
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Its likely a chlorine based wash will need to be used every so often I reckon anyway


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    #2345
    tismesoitis
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭tismesoitis


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Its likely a chlorine based wash will need to be used every so often I reckon anyway

    No i think chlorine is out altogether. The talk is paracitic acid rince every so often. However good it works we'll have to see.


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    #2346
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,116 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    tismesoitis wrote: »
    Can i get recommendations for detergent companies please. I need to get a few quotes for ourchasing group. Thanks

    Ark farm solutions ,


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    #2347
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,227 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Andy Murphy farm supplies is worth a shout too.

    He sells the CID range of detergents.
    They're working well here.

    andymurphyfarmsupplies@gmail.com


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    #2348
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Biocel make the circodine products


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    #2349
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Very basic question - do you need to be in derogation if you go above a cow/acre?

    Assuming you can’t export slurry.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #2350
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Siamsa Sessions wrote: »
    Very basic question - do you need to be in derogation if you go above a cow/acre?

    Assuming you can’t export slurry.

    You can’t stock at a cow per acre in 2021, with a dairy cow been at 89kgs n ,circa need 1.27 acres a cow if you want to stay under the 170kgs/ha


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    #2351
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    You can’t stock at a cow per acre in 2021, with a dairy cow been at 89kgs n ,circa need 1.27 acres a cow if you want to stay under the 170kgs/ha

    Thanks for that.

    I’m getting a whole new insight into the dairy world at the moment!

    Apologies if this question opens a can of worms, but is a derogation worth the hassle?

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #2352
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Siamsa Sessions wrote: »
    Thanks for that.

    I’m getting a whole new insight into the dairy world at the moment!

    Apologies if this question opens a can of worms, but is a derogation worth the hassle?

    It is as long as it’s allowable, it mighten even be on the table for next year if the higher powers in Europe pull the pin on it


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    #2353
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,227 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Siamsa Sessions wrote: »
    Thanks for that.

    I’m getting a whole new insight into the dairy world at the moment!

    Apologies if this question opens a can of worms, but is a derogation worth the hassle?

    There's no hassle in derogation.

    All you have to do is input your fertilizer and meal records and lime purchases, proof of less slurry spreading, any reseeding done will have to include clover and watercources fenced off.
    And measurements of slurry and dung holding facilities.

    Every farmer will be doing the above anyway it's just you'll be a few years ahead of that curve.


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    #2354
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Its likely a chlorine based wash will need to be used every so often I reckon anyway

    I used a chlorine free wash last year and everything went perfectly until 3 and 4 day collections and the tbc sky rocketed even though the tank was spotless. maybe it was my old tank a 1990 Muller tank?


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    #2355
    whelan2
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    Been on chlorine free a good while now and all is ok. What products are you using?


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    #2356
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    I was talking to a guy earlier on that’s changing from dairy to organic tillage. The Coop make a fairly high end AOP cheese and a good percentage goes to the UK. The Coop offered a scheme to reduce production until Brexit settles down...in the first hour over 7 million litres were taken out of production. Scheme closed.

    It wouldn’t take much for lads to cease production especially if the land quality allows.


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    #2357
    Gary kk
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    7 million sounds like alot but it's only 1400 good cows.


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    #2358
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭straight


    Gary kk wrote: »
    7 million sounds like alot but it's only 1400 good cows.

    I wouldn't call a 5000 litre cow a good cow.


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    #2359
    Gary kk
    Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    straight wrote: »
    I wouldn't call a 5000 litre cow a good cow.

    I have low standards;)


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    #2360
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    I was talking to a guy earlier on that’s changing from dairy to organic tillage. The Coop make a fairly high end AOP cheese and a good percentage goes to the UK. The Coop offered a scheme to reduce production until Brexit settles down...in the first hour over 7 million litres were taken out of production. Scheme closed.

    It wouldn’t take much for lads to cease production especially if the land quality allows.

    What sort of scheme was it? Would want to be fairly good or have fairly viable options out there if repayments are to be made


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    #2361
    Water John
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    straight wrote: »
    I wouldn't call a 5000 litre cow a good cow.

    If you were being paid 54/55 cent/ltr for it, it would be fine, considering it wouldn't be intensive farming.


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    #2362
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Mooooo wrote: »
    What sort of scheme was it? Would want to be fairly good or have fairly viable options out there if repayments are to be made

    They were offered a few cpl to stop producing. I didn’t ask exactly how much. He did say that there’s quite a few getting out every year... and when he got the opportunity to get paid, he jumped at it. There’s less and less people out there that are willing to spend their lives in drudgery.


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    #2363
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭straight


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    They were offered a few cpl to stop producing. I didn’t ask exactly how much. He did say that there’s quite a few getting out every year... and when he got the opportunity to get paid, he jumped at it. There’s less and less people out there that are willing to spend their lives in drudgery.

    The experts tell us it access to land and finance is the problem.


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    #2364
    tismesoitis
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭tismesoitis


    Water John wrote: »
    If you were being paid 54/55 cent/ltr for it, it would be fine, considering it wouldn't be intensive farming.
    No one is being paid that kind of money over the entire lactation. 42/43 average would be more like the height of it.


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    #2365
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    They were offered a few cpl to stop producing. I didn’t ask exactly how much. He did say that there’s quite a few getting out every year... and when he got the opportunity to get paid, he jumped at it. There’s less and less people out there that are willing to spend their lives in drudgery.

    Its drudgery if you make it so
    We're milking more cows, outside the spring We're alot less busy than what we used to


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    #2366
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Its drudgery if you make it so
    We're milking more cows, outside the spring We're alot less busy than what we used to

    Inportant word in the above is we're, could you run your system as a one man show in the spring without having to work stupid hours, your young too, in 20 years time your outlook mIght be entirely different if you had kids coming of age that have a intrest and are helping out brilliant but if they dont a lads viewpoint when nearing retirement age would be the milking game is drudgery


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    #2367
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Inportant word in the above is we're, could you run your system as a one man show in the spring without having to work stupid hours, your young too, in 20 years time your outlook mIght be entirely different if you had kids coming of age that have a intrest and are helping out brilliant but if they dont a lads viewpoint when nearing retirement age would be the milking game is drudgery
    Not many farms around over hundred cows doing it on there own
    I have a relief milker who's looking for more work, I'd simply just hire him to 90% of milking of it came to it and I do all other jobs


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    #2368
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Not many farms around over hundred cows doing it on there own
    I have a relief milker who's looking for more work, I'd simply just hire him to 90% of milking of it came to it and I do all other jobs

    It’s easy enough to get a relief milker but finding someone that can come in and run a farm for a few weeks without the help of parents is another story.


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    #2369
    Timmaay
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    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    It’s easy enough to get a relief milker but finding someone that can come in and run a farm for a few weeks without the help of parents is another story.

    Actually very doable in Dec Jan and from June until October. Absolutely not during calving breeding, and Nov always a messy month with on off grazing.

    Most farmers don't need that however, a part time labour unit the spring is enough.


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    #2370
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    It’s easy enough to get a relief milker but finding someone that can come in and run a farm for a few weeks without the help of parents is another story.

    Thats why you keep it simple

    A farm i did placement on left me basically running the place after my 2nd day there


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    #2371
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Actually very doable in Dec Jan and from June until October. Absolutely not during calving breeding, and Nov always a messy month with on off grazing.

    Most farmers don't need that however, a part time labour unit the spring is enough.

    It's something we should all be working to plan against tho as the farm is developing. If something should happen to you in the spring we should have some form of plan in place someone can come in and manage.


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