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Is this where the villains of Spidey franchises past are coming from? I thought it would be neat if Maguire and Garfield did a Spider-Verse thing with Holland but the animated movie happened.
The MCU does benefit from being a streamlined, greatest hits version of comic stories, would be a shame if they just overcomplicated it all.
Personally, I can see the multiverse being used as an easy way to introduce more characters from older continuities and explaining why the X-Men exist now. I don't think we'll be spending too much time in them (much like it's usually a fairly big thing when you spend time away from the 616 in the comics). It's a big ask for the hardcore fans to have to explain why this random film doesn't effect the others to their not so obsessed friends in the cinema
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Doctor DooM wrote: »Personally, I can see the multiverse being used as an easy way to introduce more characters from older continuities and explaining why the X-Men exist now. I don't think we'll be spending too much time in them (much like it's usually a fairly big thing when you spend time away from the 616 in the comics). It's a big ask for the hardcore fans to have to explain why this random film doesn't effect the others to their not so obsessed friends in the cinema
Problem is though it is incredibly hard to explain why those characters don't want to go back to their own universe.
Similar issue if they try to also have movies focused on other universes, say having an X-Men focused universe, then where are all the heroes and characters we know?
Multi-verse is interesting to touch on, and to potentially explain the Sony Spiderman movies of the past and future, but as a plot device to explain bigger things it seems lazy, confusing, and full of holes.0 -
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Problem is though it is incredibly hard to explain why those characters don't want to go back to their own universe.
Similar issue if they try to also have movies focused on other universes, say having an X-Men focused universe, then where are all the heroes and characters we know?
Multi-verse is interesting to touch on, and to potentially explain the Sony Spiderman movies of the past and future, but as a plot device to explain bigger things it seems lazy, confusing, and full of holes.
People keep looking at these things linearly and not taking in mind the way the source material has worked. This wouldn't even be a small problem for your average Bendis level writer to deal with here's my z grade attempt based on what we know:
Wanda, mourning the loss of Pietro and Vision, loses control of herself, unaware of the full extent of her reality warping powers. She subconsciously attempts to bring them back, but in doing so, tears a hole in the fabric of space time, endangering all realities. Holes appear everywhere, where the realities crash and merge, spilling into one another.
Doctor Strange, who is attuned to this sort of thing, realises the only person who can fix it in a world without infinity stones, is Wanda herself. Together, they try to fix it, with the help of time/ space lost characters like America Chavez, while street level heroes like Spider-Man try to deal with crazy, alternate reality parts of their lives rampaging through the streets "Sorry, Mr Octopus, I don't know who you are, but could you calm down please?"
Wanda and Strange do her best but Wanda is new to this type of thing. She stitches reality up- but there are a few changes, some parts of realities left that were destroyed in the crisis and some refugees, no longer able to return home or perhaps even aware this is a new reality, are here now.
These could easily include the mutants, and Wanda's teenage kids, who can make up the Young Avengers/ Champions with America Chavez, Stature/ Cassie Lang, Kate Bishop, and Ms. Marvel. Hulkling could show up from the Secret War series.
So then we have a new status quo without the multiverse being a permanent thing they're always reaching to. It could just be an arc to achieve a goal.0 -
Doctor DooM wrote: »People keep looking at these things linearly and not taking in mind the way the source material has worked. This wouldn't even be a small problem for your average Bendis level writer to deal with here's my z grade attempt based on what we know:
Wanda, mourning the loss of Pietro and Vision, loses control of herself, unaware of the full extent of her reality warping powers. She subconsciously attempts to bring them back, but in doing so, tears a hole in the fabric of space time, endangering all realities. Holes appear everywhere, where the realities crash and merge, spilling into one another.
Doctor Strange, who is attuned to this sort of thing, realises the only person who can fix it in a world without infinity stones, is Wanda herself. Together, they try to fix it, with the help of time/ space lost characters like America Chavez, while street level heroes like Spider-Man try to deal with crazy, alternate reality parts of their lives rampaging through the streets "Sorry, Mr Octopus, I don't know who you are, but could you calm down please?"
Wanda and Strange do her best but Wanda is new to this type of thing. She stitches reality up- but there are a few changes, some parts of realities left that were destroyed in the crisis and some refugees, no longer able to return home or perhaps even aware this is a new reality, are here now.
These could easily include the mutants, and Wanda's teenage kids, who can make up the Young Avengers/ Champions with America Chavez, Stature/ Cassie Lang, Kate Bishop, and Ms. Marvel. Hulkling could show up from the Secret War series.
So then we have a new status quo without the multiverse being a permanent thing they're always reaching to. It could just be an arc to achieve a goal.
I feel like you read the recent X-Men/Empyre tie in :pac:0 -
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Doctor DooM wrote: »People keep looking at these things linearly and not taking in mind the way the source material has worked. This wouldn't even be a small problem for your average Bendis level writer to deal with here's my z grade attempt based on what we know:
Wanda, mourning the loss of Pietro and Vision, loses control of herself, unaware of the full extent of her reality warping powers. She subconsciously attempts to bring them back, but in doing so, tears a hole in the fabric of space time, endangering all realities. Holes appear everywhere, where the realities crash and merge, spilling into one another.
Doctor Strange, who is attuned to this sort of thing, realises the only person who can fix it in a world without infinity stones, is Wanda herself. Together, they try to fix it, with the help of time/ space lost characters like America Chavez, while street level heroes like Spider-Man try to deal with crazy, alternate reality parts of their lives rampaging through the streets "Sorry, Mr Octopus, I don't know who you are, but could you calm down please?"
Wanda and Strange do her best but Wanda is new to this type of thing. She stitches reality up- but there are a few changes, some parts of realities left that were destroyed in the crisis and some refugees, no longer able to return home or perhaps even aware this is a new reality, are here now.
These could easily include the mutants, and Wanda's teenage kids, who can make up the Young Avengers/ Champions with America Chavez, Stature/ Cassie Lang, Kate Bishop, and Ms. Marvel. Hulkling could show up from the Secret War series.
So then we have a new status quo without the multiverse being a permanent thing they're always reaching to. It could just be an arc to achieve a goal.
Great post! This is the exact type of story I'd be completely comfortable with but isn't what many posters have been pushing for, the ones I was referring to in my post. Many have wanted either a completely separate universe focused on X-men or pulling characters in a controlled manner, like Into the Spiderverse, who then stay around.
On the X-men, I'd still prefer if they happened more organically within the MCU, like mutations are accelerated by the snaps. I think the 'refugee' angle would be good, and relate to current refugee issues, but you'd likely miss out important narratives of young, new mutants dealing with their families etc. Maybe the mix of both would work, the snaps driving mutations in the MCU while multiverse pulls in some older mutants.0 -
Great post! This is the exact type of story I'd be completely comfortable with but isn't what many posters have been pushing for, the ones I was referring to in my post. Many have wanted either a completely separate universe focused on X-men or pulling characters in a controlled manner, like Into the Spiderverse, who then stay around.
On the X-men, I'd still prefer if they happened more organically within the MCU, like mutations are accelerated by the snaps. I think the 'refugee' angle would be good, and relate to current refugee issues, but you'd likely miss out important narratives of young, new mutants dealing with their families etc. Maybe the mix of both would work, the snaps driving mutations in the MCU while multiverse pulls in some older mutants.
I understand a lot of people don't want mutants in the MCU, I'm more trying to point out why saying logically they can't or it doesn't fit the narrative or whatever isn't a decent argument- if they want to, a sci fi writer will always be able to McGuffin their way around the rules other people place on them The argument that they shouldn't from a world being too crowded is a much better one!
In this headcanon I've just created you'd get older mutants like Wolverine and Magneto left adrift in the MCU, but as their reality was kinda merged with that, natural mutants could start happening from that point, so you could get all the kids from the books too.
Could use that to explain why mutants are feared over other superhumans too, as people could subconsciously just know something is "off" about them, even if they can't remember why.0 -
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The White Wolf wrote: »I'm interested in the multiverse stuff so Strange, Wanda, Spidey and Ant Man will hold my attention for now.
Fascinated by how the mutants will be introduced - the common shared speculation is that Rogue will be the starting point in CM2.
It had for so long been expected to be Ororo in Black Panther 2
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It had for so long been expected to be Ororo in Black Panther 2
I suspect BP2 might be a prequel for T'chaka or a multiverse film now so anything is still possible. I mean multiverse would give them any number of Black Panthers from N'Jobu to Killmonger. Ororo could still play a role there. That's the weird thing I find about some fans wanting T'challa recast as there really is no need to if they think about it.
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RobbingBandit wrote: »Dr Doom is very much a fear factor villain his lust for Sue Storm deflates much of his threat level. He has been out smarter by Reed so many times and had his proverbial kicked by The Kingpin in the comics recently.The White Wolf wrote: »I can see big things for Doom. He'll be causing mayhem on the ground but once a cosmic level threat comes he'll do what he has to make sure he's still the biggest dog on earth, which would mean he'd be willing to side with the heroes.
Potentially the role of a lifetime for any actor lucky enough to be cast.
Yeah put some respect on Doctor Doom there Bandit
The thing with Doom is he's an omni villain. He's suited virtually every possible idea you can have for a villain. He's been like Magneto, entirely sympathetic, and prone to being a good guy. He's been like Red Skull, a despicable facist totalitarian. He's been street level and fought Luke Cage. He's been the sorcerer supreme! No one interpretation of him is really the definitive Doom. He's ruled the universe multiple times like Thanos and also lost to Squirrel Girl. That's Doom.
I think he'd be better served as a wild card. A bit like Loki, but a bigger deal, like you know when Doom turns up something massive is happening, but it's a 50/50 whether he's going to help or hinder the protagonists.
You have to think, with Kang who is always somehow related closely to Doom, showing up in Ant-Man, and A FF film coming, he really has to be on his way.
It's a lot of fun wondering where the plot lines are going like now. As mentioned previously, and especially considering how amazing their current run in the comics are right now, you'd have to think focusing on the world of mutants primarily while you rebuild the Avengers would be a great idea. Aiming to a phase 5-ey climax with Wanda vs the Phoenix and A v X.
With Kang and multiverses in the mix, there's always a chance to bring the original Avengers back in some capacity, even if they're dead, too. This is the only way I can see a movie reaching the fever pitch of Endgame: and only if the X-Men hit.
To me, everything is pointing towards the multiverse being the source of mutation in the MCU, but the fun thing about this universe is Feige knows that and he is prone to misdirects for fanboys (Infinity War ends at the start of Infinity Gauntlet, not actually covering it at all, for example).
The idea of the first mutant being Rogue and appearing in Cap Marvel 2 is both very exciting and a little worrying. It'd be a lovely tribute to Claremont, the writer who recreated the X-Men into the monster we all know: It's not that widely remembered that he wrote the Danvers Ms. Marvel book and Mystique, Destiny, and Rogue were the primary villains there. Lest we forget, Destiny has recently been established as a character who can see multiple universes.
Also, as one of the first gay couples in the 616, who had to spend an eternity in an editorial mandated closet, it'd be an amazing thing for them to be an out family in the MCU. Mystique only got to refer to Destiny as her wife this year
The whole "Rogue depowers Carol Danvers" arc was a way for him to bring these characters he loved into his current book- X-Men- as Ms M was cancelled.
Danvers has a close, intertwined relationship with the X-Men, being good buds with Wolverine for one, and she lives in the mansion for several years of comic time recovering from Rogue's attack. There's also been a lot of recent, interesting work on the complex relationship between Rogue and Danvers, where Danvers wants to hate her but can't deny the overwhelming amount of good she's done since their incident.
Also you clearly have young Avengers/ Champions in the works here...0 -
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Agent Coulson wrote: »50c in my local charity shop today.
They probably robbed me but it will be worth it.
My night viewing.
One of the writers of Batman Begins
You should check out the Cinematic Universe podcast about it when you've watched, I can't remember that specific episode but they're usually entertaining.0 -
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FunLover18 wrote: »One of the writers of Batman Begins
You should check out the Cinematic Universe podcast about it when you've watched, I can't remember that specific episode but they're usually entertaining.
I didn't know there was one. Is it run by a marvel drone or some superfan?0 -
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