US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

kingtiger · 01-12-2020 09:13PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CursedLavaLamp/status/1333597793739534338

:pac:

oh wouldn't you just love to see the puss on that prick Mitch McConnell if the Republicans lose the senate

TomOnBoard · 01-12-2020 09:23PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Well, they are laughing at the US right now , but the laughter is directed at him and the GOP for enabling his utter delusion.

Laughing/laughter are not the words I'd use.. Shock, horror, disgust, pity, outrage would all be closer to how I'm looking at the US right now.

prawnsambo · 01-12-2020 10:39PM

The bould Sidney apparently submitted an altered document in court filings. In the filing she maintained that an order was undated, but in actual fact she (or someone working for her) had cropped that bit from the document. This could be serious for her.

blackwave · 01-12-2020 10:41PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

The bould Sidney apparently submitted an altered document in court filings. In the filing she maintained that an order was undated, but in actual fact she'd (or someone working for her) had cropped that bit from the document. This could be serious for her.

Once again proof that only the the best people were hired by trump's administration....

froog · 01-12-2020 10:42PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

The bould Sidney apparently submitted an altered document in court filings. In the filing she maintained that an order was undated, but in actual fact she (or someone working for her) had cropped that bit from the document. This could be serious for her.

that sounds to me like.... fraud.

Water John · 01-12-2020 11:05PM

Gabriel Stirling making a plea with Trump not to incite violence.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1333876986377359362

prawnsambo · 01-12-2020 11:43PM

I can't even find words to describe the next step in the bumbling travels of Sidney. In a filing in Milwaukee Wisconsin, she's asked for emergency access to the security camera footage from the TCF Centre in... Detroit Michigan.

StringerBell · 01-12-2020 11:46PM

Water John wrote: »

Gabriel Stirling making a plea with Trump not to incite violence.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1333876986377359362

I have absolutely zero respect, or time for those who will come out now now against trump after standing by and condoning all that has gone on this part 4 years when the ship has already sunk.

Spineless the lot of them.

Can you actually believe the gall of GOP Senators making noises about not confirming a Biden appointment because of some tweets they didn't like?

Water John · 01-12-2020 11:57PM

StringerBell wrote: »

I have absolutely zero respect, or time for those who will come out now now against trump after standing by and condoning all that has gone on this part 4 years when the ship has already sunk.

Spineless the lot of them.

Can you actually believe the gall of GOP Senators making noises about not confirming a Biden appointment because of some tweets they didn't like?

They're very sensitive souls.

Itssoeasy · 02-12-2020 12:05AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

I can't even find words to describe the next step in the bumbling travels of Sidney. In a filing in Milwaukee Wisconsin, she's asked for emergency access to the security camera footage from the TCF Centre in... Detroit Michigan.

So why doesn’t she file this in oh I don’t know Michigan ?

TomOnBoard · 02-12-2020 12:15AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So why doesn’t she file this in oh I don’t know Michigan ?

Because she's sueing Wisconsin...

Itssoeasy · 02-12-2020 12:35AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Because she's sueing Wisconsin...

Well she doesn’t need CCTV from Michigan then does she ?

Jizique · 02-12-2020 12:38AM

StringerBell wrote: »

I have absolutely zero respect, or time for those who will come out now now against trump after standing by and condoning all that has gone on this part 4 years when the ship has already sunk.

Spineless the lot of them.

Can you actually believe the gall of GOP Senators making noises about not confirming a Biden appointment because of some tweets they didn't like?

Tonight’s news just breaking about “bribery for pardons” is shocking, if not surprising; the mad thing is that there are so many possible candidates, the document is heavily redacted to hide the identity

Quin_Dub · 02-12-2020 09:43AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

The bould Sidney apparently submitted an altered document in court filings. In the filing she maintained that an order was undated, but in actual fact she (or someone working for her) had cropped that bit from the document. This could be serious for her.

In her Michigan court documents she alleges massive evidence of fraud in Edison county

The slight problem with that it that there is no "Edison County" in Michigan.

In fact , there is no Edison County in the entire United States , so it can't even be blamed on their previous Michigan/Minnesota confusion.

Beyond ridiculous at this stage.

TomOnBoard · 02-12-2020 10:05AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well she doesn’t need CCTV from Michigan then does she ?

Did you just try to apply actual real-world logic to the bat****-crazy 'lawering' that Sidney Powell is engaged in?

TomOnBoard · 02-12-2020 10:07AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

In her Michigan court documents she alleges massive evidence of fraud in Edison county

The slight problem with that it that there is no "Edison County" in Michigan.

In fact , there is no Edison County in the entire United States , so it can't even be blamed on their previous Michigan/Minnesota confusion.

Beyond ridiculous at this stage.

Sidney read a book once. It has informed her entire career obviously:

https://www.amazon.com/Ditches-Edison-County-Richard-Roberts/dp/0451182669

prawnsambo · 02-12-2020 10:19AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well she doesn’t need CCTV from Michigan then does she ?

Nope. I think Sidney's approach to the law is to load a blunderbuss with every crazy fraud allegation out there and fire it at the nearest courthouse. On top of the altered document, she's also named a plaintiff who insists that they are not party to the claim. This (as well as the alteration) is a very serious no no.

Also, and this is the cherry on top, she's registered a lot of domains including sidneypowell2024.com and sidneypowellforpresident.com, because of course she did.

prawnsambo · 02-12-2020 10:33AM

By the way, if anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole of what exactly people were 'testifying' to at the Michigan 'hearing', this thread is a wild ride. I'd say it beggars belief, but with Sidney Powell actually putting some of this stuff in front of actual judges in actual court, we're already through the looking glass.

Seanachai · 02-12-2020 10:43AM

StringerBell wrote: »

I have absolutely zero respect, or time for those who will come out now now against trump after standing by and condoning all that has gone on this part 4 years when the ship has already sunk.

Spineless the lot of them.

Can you actually believe the gall of GOP Senators making noises about not confirming a Biden appointment because of some tweets they didn't like?

Do the testimonies from challengers and observers not seem credible at all to you? Being intimidated out of the room, observing blatant interference with ballots etc. I know that the 'correct' opinion over here is to see Trump supporters as either being zany religious nuts, rednecks, or I'm alright Jacks but they seemed pretty lucid, earnest and upset from the footage that I watched. Some of them are even registered Democrats.

The best one I've seen was of Dem staff assuming a woman of Indian descent was one of them and filling her in on the gameplan. When they saw her Rep badge they said 'Oh you're on the wrong side'. If there was in fact significant fraud and Biden is inaugurated on the back of it, that's a worse scenario for the US because the bitterness will be unreal.

The Raging Bile Duct · 02-12-2020 10:48AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

By the way, if anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole of what exactly people were 'testifying' to at the Michigan 'hearing', this thread is a wild ride. I'd say it beggars belief, but with Sidney Powell actually putting some of this stuff in front of actual judges in actual court, we're already through the looking glass.

That thread is absolutely brilliant. Comedy gold.

TomOnBoard · 02-12-2020 10:51AM

Seanachai wrote: »

Do the testimonies from Rep challengers and observers not seem credible at all to you? Being intimidated out of the room, observing blatant interference with ballots etc. I know that the 'correct' opinion over here is to see Trump supporters as either being zany religious nuts, rednecks, or I'm alright Jacks but they seemed pretty earnest and upset from the footage that I watched. Some of them are even registered Democrats.

The best one I've seen was of Dem staff assuming a woman of Indian descent was one of them and filling her in on the gameplan. When they saw her Rep badge they said 'Oh you're on the wrong side'. If there was in fact significant fraud and Biden is inaugurated on the back of it, that's a worse scenario for the US because the bitterness will be unreal.

The answer to your first question is a resounding No!

Accordingly, for me the rest is just ignorance of how the process is supposed to work/misinterpretations at best and downright BS/lying at worst.

robinph · 02-12-2020 10:54AM

Seanachai wrote: »

Do the testimonies from Rep challengers and observers not seem credible at all to you?

No, they don't seem credible.

prawnsambo wrote: »

By the way, if anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole of what exactly people were 'testifying' to at the Michigan 'hearing', this thread is a wild ride. I'd say it beggars belief, but with Sidney Powell actually putting some of this stuff in front of actual judges in actual court, we're already through the looking glass.

Seanachai · 02-12-2020 11:16AM

robinph wrote: »

No, they don't seem credible.

Fair enough, I find them pretty credible and I believe they're being honest about what they witnessed, esp the cyber warfare expert who testified in PA & AZ. From my perspective, it seems that they're just being dismissed because the 'other side' finds them repulsive, that's a dangerous position to take that will only go against them in the long run.

I don't agree with the general consensus that Trump has caused a great division in the US, that division was largely caused by people being dismissed and scoffed at the same way they are now. He may have flared it up with his language and stoked it for his advantage. For all the waffle about unity, this is going to cause even more division, when the euphoria about beating the monster fades they're going to have to try and work with people who have lost any shred of faith they may have had in them previously.

listermint · 02-12-2020 11:18AM

Seanachai wrote: »

Fair enough, I find them pretty credible and I believe they're being honest about what they witnessed, esp the cyber warfare expert who testified in PA & AZ. From my perspective, it seems that they're just being dismissed because the 'other side' finds them repulsive, that's a dangerous position to take that will only go against them in the long run.

I don't agree with the general consensus that Trump has caused a great division in the US, that division was largely caused by people being dismissed and scoffed at the same way they are now. He may have flared it up with his language and stoked it for his advantage. For all the waffle about unity, this is going to cause even more division, when the euphoria about beating the monster fades they're going to have to try and work with people who have lost any shred of faith they may have had in them previously.

no they are not credible because their EVIDENCE is not credible. They are being dismissed in a court of law, mostly by CONSERVATIVE judges.

duploelabs · 02-12-2020 11:18AM

Seanachai wrote: »

Do the testimonies from challengers and observers not seem credible at all to you? Being intimidated out of the room, observing blatant interference with ballots etc. I know that the 'correct' opinion over here is to see Trump supporters as either being zany religious nuts, rednecks, or I'm alright Jacks but they seemed pretty lucid, earnest and upset from the footage that I watched. Some of them are even registered Democrats.

The best one I've seen was of Dem staff assuming a woman of Indian descent was one of them and filling her in on the gameplan. When they saw her Rep badge they said 'Oh you're on the wrong side'. If there was in fact significant fraud and Biden is inaugurated on the back of it, that's a worse scenario for the US because the bitterness will be unreal.

There is no threat of perjury as its not an official court but a vehicle of propaganda so any of the 'testimonies' could be complete bull with no reciprocity for bearing false witness. Put them in front of a proper judge and zero evidence will be produced, oh no wait, that's already happened

VinLieger · 02-12-2020 11:20AM

Seanachai wrote: »

The best one I've seen was of Dem staff assuming a woman of Indian descent was one of them and filling her in on the gameplan. When they saw her Rep badge they said 'Oh you're on the wrong side'. If there was in fact significant fraud and Biden is inaugurated on the back of it, that's a worse scenario for the US because the bitterness will be unreal.

Yeah that's called hearsay and in a legal context is absolute garbage which is why ever case using it has been thrown out of court, by republican judges i might add.

There is still ZERO evidence of any kind of fraud and the bitterness is gonna exist regardless because Trump has lied to all his supporters and no matter the actual evidence they will never believe anything that doesnt agree with what he has said. To be honest even if he told them tomorrow "i was making it all up" i believe they have drank so much of the kool aid at this stage id expect to see new conspiracies about hes been gotten to by the deep state etc.

TomOnBoard · 02-12-2020 11:23AM

listermint wrote: »

no they are not credible because their EVIDENCE is not credible. They are being dismissed in a court of law, mostly by CONSERVATIVE judges.

Not only are they being dismissed in Court, but the same people alleging such massive fraud in these drive-by pretend 'heaings' are actually saying to Judges in Court that they are not alleging fraud!

When you have the audacity to use the Administrator/joint owner of 8kun (formerly 8Chan and home of Qanon) as one of your star witnesses, you immediately lose ALL credibility!

ancapailldorcha · 02-12-2020 11:28AM

Seanachai wrote: »

Fair enough, I find them pretty credible and I believe they're being honest about what they witnessed, esp the cyber warfare expert who testified in PA & AZ. From my perspective, it seems that they're just being dismissed because the 'other side' finds them repulsive, that's a dangerous position to take that will only go against them in the long run.

I don't agree with the general consensus that Trump has caused a great division in the US, that division was largely caused by people being dismissed and scoffed at the same way they are now. He may have flared it up with his language and stoked it for his advantage. For all the waffle about unity, this is going to cause even more division, when the euphoria about beating the monster fades they're going to have to try and work with people who have lost any shred of faith they may have had in them previously.

American conservatives and GOP voters have shown their true selves over the past four years. All they care about is the feeling of screwing over people they hate and fawning over Trump. After he lost the election (and the popular vote for the second time), it made working with these people all but impossible. Trying would be a waste of everyone's time.

robinph · 02-12-2020 11:33AM

Seanachai wrote: »

Fair enough, I find them pretty credible and I believe they're being honest about what they witnessed, esp the cyber warfare expert who testified in PA & AZ. From my perspective, it seems that they're just being dismissed because the 'other side' finds them repulsive, that's a dangerous position to take that will only go against them in the long run.

Is this the cyber warfare expert who was actually something like working at IT support for the military for a year?

prawnsambo · 02-12-2020 11:34AM

Seanachai wrote: »

Fair enough, I find them pretty credible and I believe they're being honest about what they witnessed, esp the cyber warfare expert who testified in PA & AZ. From my perspective, it seems that they're just being dismissed because the 'other side' finds them repulsive, that's a dangerous position to take that will only go against them in the long run.

The 'Cyber Warfare' guy was tracked back to a training unit. He actually lied about his level of experience. If that's his starting point, everything else he says is both unreliable and inexpert. Add to that the fact that his testimony provided no actual evidence and was at best hypothetical and at worst made up.

Seanachai wrote: »

I don't agree with the general consensus that Trump has caused a great division in the US, that division was largely caused by people being dismissed and scoffed at the same way they are now. He may have flared it up with his language and stoked it for his advantage. For all the waffle about unity, this is going to cause even more division, when the euphoria about beating the monster fades they're going to have to try and work with people who have lost any shred of faith they may have had in them previously.

You've literally described the process by which Trump has caused division and undermined the electoral system. At the last count (iirc - it could be more now) he's 1 for 39 in court challenges in various counties. The one win was a procedural one and had no bearing on any of his allegations. His lawyers (and those for other parties that have included his campaign in their filings) have all said, in court that their cases DO NOT allege fraud. Because there are penalties for making baseless claims in court that no lawyer wants to fall foul of. All such allegations have only been made in fora where there are no penalties for making them.

Oh. And Trump has raised (so far) $150 million from deluded supporters for these cases. As of the last mailing he sent out, 75% of what he collects actually funds his PAC and not the court cases. This is grift, pure and simple. As long as he's fighting these so-called cases, he can do this. Once he concedes, he has to stop raising money until the next election cycle starts.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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