Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

facehugger99 wrote: »

Given the old adage about arguing - I think it's time to finish this discussion.


You've suggested that we were all terrified in March - we weren't.

You suggested that we follow WHO advice - we didn't.

You think Tony's doing a great job - come back to us in a couple of years when you're paying the bill for this nonsense.

I took that back in a further post to say there was a great level of concern so why not quote that .

No where did I saw Tony Holohan was doing a great job

Deleted User wrote: »

For FF and FG, I definitely think they are trying to go for the “we saved thousands of lives” and put people before the economy. And also just following other countries to an extent.

NPHET I believe have more sinister agendas. They’d love to get pubs closed permanently.

I think it’s a bit naive to suggest neither have agendas outside the pandemic.

It was a genuine question. I have my doubts that the government are willing to see the country on its knees so they can save thousands of lives.

Why would NPHET want pubs closed permanently

There is no 'outside the pandemic' at present.

The HSE are being shielded from the pandemic by Nphet, who in fact are the HSE. It is one small sector of society looking after itself and to hell with everyone else. Nphet do not give a tupenny curse about you granny and never did. They've been bolting the stable door long after horses have flown. Remember, they released all of those vulnerable patients in acute care hospital beds back into nursing homes in March / April. They refused to apply visiting restrictions to nursing homes in March and said masks were counter productive. This is not ten years ago, this March 2020. They continued to hype the 'case' numbes during the summer even though it was entirely inactive at that time because it's seasonal. And, they're now lining everyone up for lockdown 2021, probably right up to the end of April. How anyone in their right mind can have any faith in Nphet & their mickey mouse PCR 'case' numbers is beyond me.

NPHET are at it again. Trying to pressure the Government before the discussions are had at Cabinet

The Government has signalled that the Level Five restrictions will be eased next week, allowing retail to open. It is also expected that pubs serving food and restaurants will be allowed open later in the month, perhaps the following week, and that travel restrictions will be lifted for perhaps two weeks around Christmas, allowing people to travel to spend the period with their extended families.

However, two sources familiar with the issue now say that the Nphet advice is likely to signal opposition to some aspects of the planned reopening.

This will complicate matters for the Government as it prepares to announce the details of the reopening on Friday.

How weak is Micheal Martin if he continues to allow himself and his Government to be undermined like this?

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Going by your logic, someone can never criticize a film or a footballer or a song etc because you can just play the ' I'd like to see you do better' argument

Well I’d like to think if I was on the kind of money us taxpayers are paying these people- I’d be making much more informed and nuanced decisions.

Varadkar playing silly buggers again

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1331947615760617472

People will ignore them completely if they're not allowed travel home for Christmas

Lord Holohan of NPHET is opposed to the planned reopening of the economy. He wants to strangle our society until its completely lifeless and gasping for oxygen.

Senior Government sources said “we are not surprised” - Sources have confirmed that public health officials are “deeply concerned” about several elements proposed in the re-opening plan, particularly allowing restaurants and gastro pubs reopen.

Michael Martin and Leo Varadkar are a complete disgrace, the lack of leadership is frightening. Holohan has been aloud to push them around for months without questioning, debating the restrictions.

- Who
- is
- running
- this
- country
- ?

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Varadkar playing silly buggers again

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1331947615760617472

People will ignore them completely if they're not allowed travel home for Christmas

That's only ask though? There's currently nothing to stop you moving around.
I must have around 1500km up in the last week and nobody has said boo to me, the guards aren't even looking at your tax and insurance disks any more.

Danny Healy-Rae among publicans begging the government to open pubs for Christmas - Link

Danny Healy-Rae explained: ‘Closing pubs is wrong and totally unnecessary. There is alcohol readily available.

‘There are house parties and alcohol is being consumed in totally unregulated areas.

‘All pubs, not just the ones with food, need to be opened for Christmas. That was absolutely ridiculous. How did the virus know if you were having a meal with your pint? It was stupid.

‘I think all pubs should be open for Christmas but spread out the crowds. I accept there would have to be some social distancing. Maybe reduce the hours a bit. I think people would respect that.

‘Why couldn’t we have something like that? If it has to be eight or nine o’clock, fellas in rural places could have a couple of pints.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Penfailed missing the point? ah no

Ah, the G'n'L/Fintan tag team in full effect. Fair play lads. Pat yourselves on the back.

Penfailed wrote: »

Those models are not still being used. Those massive potential death numbers are not being used. The justification now is to not overrun the health service. You know this. You're choosing to miss the point.

Where was the risk to the health service during June, July, August, September and most of October when hospitals were empty but Irish citizens lived under Europe’s strictest policy?

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/restaurants-reopening-in-doubt-after-nphet-raise-serious-concerns-39795089.html

NPHET trying one last push to block lighter restrictions. I saw this from a province that only had 10 cases yesterday. Will the Government cave? This will be the defining moment of their term if they do.

Of course they will cave

Tony & NPHET are in charge

Fodla wrote: »

But the problem with these death numbers is the classifying of deaths that are clearly not COVID deaths as COVID deaths. A man fell from a ladder in Croatia recently and COVID was put down as the cause of death. It's impossible to know how many people have died from COVID-19. And that's without getting it 'died of' vs 'died with'.

so you are saying i know of 1 case out of 1.5 milion to be wrong so this is all wrong...

the numbers are certainly not 100% correct, in the uk i think they tried to put 8000 covid death under the carpet if i remember correctly to look a bit better as a country i think you and i would not be too suprised if this happend in china and russia too . those are a guesstimates but they are not made up completely and problably about the same accuracy as the unemplyoment statistcs are not really correct but not completely wrong either . and while iam sure cases like yours exist ( can you show me the evidence of this case you mention ie how was it fact checked was it written in the daily mirror etc or did his dr confirm this guy was completey healthy before he feel from a ladder ) this is unlikely happening too often and surely there will be cases where a person dies of covid but does not appear in those statistics as most likely some people with the virus do not go to the hospital.

out of interest how would you handle this situation if you were in charge. how would you report numbers and how would you make sure it was as correctly done as possible ?

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

I don't understand this 'leave them alone they're doing their best ' narrative that gets pulled out for NPHET. They're not working for free they're getting very well compensated for their work.

It’s an Irish deference to authority hangover thing.