Changes in the GAA - super thread

The Lost Sheep · 17-01-2020 8:17pm

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Intercounty season is too long. Limit the intercounty season to 5 months (March to August). January should be designated a rest month. That leaves us with 6 months exclusively for the clubs.

The League should adopt a format similar to the one which will be used UEFA's Nations League this year. Each division has 8 teams split into 2 groups of 4. Double round-robin so each team gets an equal number of home and away games. The top teams in each group in Division 1 go into the NFL finals. The 1st placed teams in each group in Divisions 2, 3, and 4 are promoted. The 4th placed teams in each group are relegated.

Min no. of games = 6
Max no. of games = 6 (7 for NFL finalists)

The League is then followed by a two tier championship. Each tier has 16 teams split into 4 groups of 4. Each team get a home game and an away game. The other game is played in a neutral venue.

Min no. of games = 3
Max no. of games = 6

Every county gets 9-12 games in the season.

Or retain the current league structure. That would give every team a minimum of 10 games and a max of 13 or 14 games.

The Provincials should be scrapped at senior level but retained for club and underage competitions. The provincial councils should focus solely on development of Gaelic games. Let the GAA worry about running senior intercounty competitions.

why does nearly every format proposal have league completed before championship starts? Why not do like other sports and have the various competitions intertwine through the season? I dont see why provincial competitions should be scrapped just dont have replays and finish them on day so they take at max 3/4 weeks.

Hawkeye9212 · 17-01-2020 8:42pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

why does nearly every format proposal have league completed before championship starts? Why not do like other sports and have the various competitions intertwine through the season? I dont see why provincial competitions should be scrapped just dont have replays and finish them on day so they take at max 3/4 weeks.

Both formats are fine. Provincials can be played in the preseason but they shouldn't form a part of the All-Ireland Championship anymore. Every team should start in the same position.

The Lost Sheep · 17-01-2020 8:44pm

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

Both formats are fine. Provincials can be played in the preseason but they shouldn't form a part of the All-Ireland Championship anymore. Every team should start in the same position.

why play them in pre season?
Pre season dorsnt need to have competitions in it. Play provincial competitions in breaks between league or all Ireland whatever format that's chosen.

Hawkeye9212 · 17-01-2020 8:47pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

why play them in pre season?
Pre season dorsnt need to have competitions in it. Play provincial competitions in breaks between league or all Ireland whatever format that's chosen.

That would be fine as well.

roadmaster · 18-01-2020 8:56pm

After last years messing with new bridge or knowwhere is it time the gaa gave guidance for a minimum size ground especially for the smaller county’s so when the upgrade works which many county’s need they won’t go mental and try and build big stadiums . I can see another new bridge or knowhere happening with Westmeath and Dublin later this year

Banner2theend · 22-01-2020 3:51pm

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739793996816384

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739796349779968

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739798392516610

The last tweet in the above 3 links relates to the McRory Cup final, which is due to take place the same day (Paddy's Day) as the All-Ireland U20 Football semi-finals!!!

This blatant disregard for player welfare, regarding the scheduling of the 2020 Provincial and All-Ireland U20 Football Championship, is there for all to see. John Horan is officially the worst GAA president ever IMO. Out of touch he is indeed with the grassroots and disconnected with the GAA club and inter-county player. He seems like a provocative figure too, in other words, its his way and that's it. No compromise it seems! It's only the well being of Dublin GAA, rather than what's best for the rest of the 31 counties, that matters to the Na Fianna clubman.

Finally why is it that only the Irish Examiner, are the only national media outlet that are calling out for what is re Horan? Fair play to them but it's utter shame on the other national print and broadcast media, for their failings in holding the GAA top brass to account re Tommy Murphy Cup 2.0 the prime example.

Hawkeye9212 · 22-01-2020 6:02pm

Banner2theend wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739793996816384

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739796349779968

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739798392516610

The last tweet in the above 3 links relates to the McRory Cup final, which is due to take place the same day (Paddy's Day) as the All-Ireland U20 Football semi-finals!!!

This blatant disregard for player welfare, regarding the scheduling of the 2020 Provincial and All-Ireland U20 Football Championship, is there for all to see. John Horan is officially the worst GAA president ever IMO. Out of touch he is indeed with the grassroots and disconnected with the GAA club and inter-county player. He seems like a provocative figure too, in other words, its his way and that's it. No compromise it seems! It's only the well being of Dublin GAA, rather than what's best for the rest of the 31 counties, that matters to the Na Fianna clubman.

Finally why is it that only the Irish Examiner, are the only national media outlet that are calling out for what is re Horan? Fair play to them but it's utter shame on the other national print and broadcast media, for their failings in holding the GAA top brass to account re Tommy Murphy Cup 2.0 the prime example.

Seems like the U20s should be played in the summer when players have time off school/college. Horan says the situation can't be solved. An useless president backed up by a bunch of yes men. The GAA's governing body is no longer fit for purpose.

Hawkeye9212 · 22-01-2020 6:04pm

Banner2theend wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739793996816384

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739796349779968

https://twitter.com/mcenteejohn/status/1219739798392516610

The last tweet in the above 3 links relates to the McRory Cup final, which is due to take place the same day (Paddy's Day) as the All-Ireland U20 Football semi-finals!!!

This blatant disregard for player welfare, regarding the scheduling of the 2020 Provincial and All-Ireland U20 Football Championship, is there for all to see. John Horan is officially the worst GAA president ever IMO. Out of touch he is indeed with the grassroots and disconnected with the GAA club and inter-county player. He seems like a provocative figure too, in other words, its his way and that's it. No compromise it seems! It's only the well being of Dublin GAA, rather than what's best for the rest of the 31 counties, that matters to the Na Fianna clubman.

Finally why is it that only the Irish Examiner, are the only national media outlet that are calling out for what is re Horan? Fair play to them but it's utter shame on the other national print and broadcast media, for their failings in holding the GAA top brass to account re Tommy Murphy Cup 2.0 the prime example.

Seems like the U20s should be played in the summer when players have time off school/college. Horan says the situation can't be solved. An useless president backed up by a bunch of yes men. The GAA's governing body is no longer fit for purpose.

PTH2009 · 22-01-2020 11:56pm

The GAA need to invest in a live score type app. Both the Hoganstand and GAA apps are ****e but could be the bad 3G/4G in the grounds too

GreenandRed · 26-01-2020 12:45pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

The GAA need to invest in a live score type app. Both the Hoganstand and GAA apps are ****e but could be the bad 3G/4G in the grounds too

Checkout What's the Scór app on Google play store. Club and county, mighty yoke.

RoyalCelt · 21-11-2020 7:50pm

Obviously the problem in Leinster is Dublin who have no place in this provincial competition. They'd beat the combined team from the other 10 counties easily.

The 10 in a row hammering today will as usual lead to calls for the end of the provincial system. However you've got a new winner in munster and connaught this year for over 5 and 8 years respectively.

Donegal will probably beat cavan but they've not actually won ulster that much.

If they change it to a tiered championship with groups. Instead of Dublin winning the all Ireland/leinster and 3 other teams earning provincial silverware every year you'll have just have 1 piece of silverware going to dublin during the championship annually.

These changes only make sense if one team isn't dominating.

dunnerc · 21-11-2020 10:52pm

Ah welcome back Jack_Goff
Again try sending a letter of complaint to the Meath County Board and the Leinster Council

Lundstram · 22-11-2020 11:53am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Well those counties let hurling rot so football could thrive so it's only fair game they also do nothing if it swings the other way

That's weird, I could have sworn Kildare were playing in the Christy Ring Cup final against Down today.

Must have been a dream.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 11:53am

Lundstram wrote: »

There's a €14 million over 5 years sized excuse. Kildare and Meath got about €2 million between them. Not about the money though, or that's what the Dubs will tell you anyway.

Sorry we don't get to play all our games at home. Suppose thats our fault too? Remember Kildare had to fight tooth and nail just to get a qualifier against Mayo played in Newbridge a few years ago. Sorry about wanting to play a home draw.. you know.. at home.

Also sorry our county doesn't have over 1,000,000 people to pick from, 220,000 isn't much in comparison and I'd guess 20% of that are Dubs. Sorry again.

It's all Kildare's and Meath's fault. Sorry.

Is it Dublin or anyone elses fault the Kildare's stadium was a kip?

And your own county boards are happy to take the big gates from CP. If this all really was a big issue ye should all just pull out of Leinster in protest

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 11:56am

Lundstram wrote: »

That's weird, I could have sworn Kildare were playing in the Christy Ring Cup final against Down today.

Must have been a dream.

That's weird. Im sure I said let rot not didn't exist.

Must have been a dream

Akesh · 22-11-2020 11:58am

Girly Gal wrote: »

Meath and Kildare really have no excuse, they are footballing counties with decent size populations and very little hurling. Neither of them have won a Leinster title in almost 20 years (not counting Meath's 2010 Leinster as Louth were absolutely robbed of that title). It's really only in the last 10 years that Dublin have become a force and counties outside of Leinster have at least been more competitive in that time than Meath and Kildare. Neither of them have even closed the gap, if anything the gap is getting bigger, in the last decade both counties have struggled to stay in division 1 for any length of time and have even struggled to stay in division 2 at times. They both really should be playing at a higher level.

Absolute nonsense. The gap is getting bigger because it's getting more difficult to get players to commit to receive a hiding in Croke Park. Dublin winning is a result of funding and population. Dublin's success has coincided with a major decline in Leinster GAA.

The new Dublin fans are deluded if they think Dublin are just better than everyone else because they try harder.

It is a complete failure if Dublin don't win the AI every year because they have much more resources than anyone else. Great achievement, huh?

It won't matter anyway as football is being brought to its death thanks to attitudes like yours.

risteard7 · 22-11-2020 12:03pm

The Christy Ring is a Mickey mouse competition to give the weaker counties a trophy to play for

Lundstram · 22-11-2020 12:04pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Is it Dublin or anyone elses fault the Kildare's stadium was a kip?

And your own county boards are happy to take the big gates from CP. If this all really was a big issue ye should all just pull out of Leinster in protest

Maybe our stadium is a kip because we weren't handed Croke Park free of charge like the Dubs were? But I guess "DuBs HoMe StAdIuM iS pArNeLl PaRk".

Navan is a kip too. As is Drogheda, Aughrim, Mullingar? Guess why. Those counties have to fund stadiums themselves.

You are utterly deluded or misinformed, probably both.

Girly Gal · 22-11-2020 12:14pm

Akesh wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. The gap is getting bigger because it's getting more difficult to get players to commit to receive a hiding in Croke Park. Dublin winning is a result of funding and population. Dublin's success has coincided with a major decline in Leinster GAA.

The new Dublin fans are deluded if they think Dublin are just better than everyone else because they try harder.

It is a complete failure if Dublin don't win the AI every year because they have much more resources than anyone else. Great achievement, huh?

It won't matter anyway as football is being brought to its death thanks to attitudes like yours.

I'm not expecting Meath or Kildare to beat Dublin, but, they should be more competitive, certainly in the all Ireland series against teams other than Dublin. I agree that Dublin have too many advantages from money, population and home advantage, etc, but, it doesn't excuse Meath's and Kildare's lack of competitiveness outside of Leinster and even in the league.
The Gaa do need to look at Dublin's dominance, reduce their funding, make them play away from Croke Park, the other Leinster counties should insist on playing their matches at home instead of playing games in Croke Park. That would at least level the playing field somewhat. There's not much that can be done regarding the population advantage Dublin have, only splitting into north and south Dublin which won't happen.

dobman88 · 22-11-2020 12:16pm

risteard7 wrote: »

The Christy Ring is a Mickey mouse competition to give the weaker counties a trophy to play for

So its wrong for counties who havent a hope of winning the top prize to compete against teams of a similar standard for a trophy?

I guarantee you any player winning an all Ireland medal, regardless of what grade it's at, would be absolutely delighted.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 12:22pm

Lundstram wrote: »

Maybe our stadium is a kip because we weren't handed Croke Park free of charge like the Dubs were? But I guess "DuBs HoMe StAdIuM iS pArNeLl PaRk".

Navan is a kip too. As is Drogheda, Aughrim, Mullingar? Guess why. Those counties have to fund stadiums themselves.

You are utterly deluded or misinformed, probably both.

Limerick isn't a kip and neither is Castlebar, Roscommon, Omagh, Tullamore, Portlaoise and most others who all have to fund stadiums themselves

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 12:24pm

dobman88 wrote: »

So its wrong for counties who havent a hope of winning the top prize to compete against teams of a similar standard for a trophy?

I guarantee you any player winning an all Ireland medal, regardless of what grade it's at, would be absolutely delighted.

The teired hurling has been good for the sport and counties involved and despite the moaning it gets way more exposure than any other system the GAA have tried before in hurling

Lundstram · 22-11-2020 12:31pm

Remarkably, the last time Dublin played an away game in the Leinster Championship was June 2006 in Longford.

14 years ago.

Incredible.

Rolo2010 · 22-11-2020 4:29pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

The teired hurling has been good for the sport and counties involved and despite the moaning it gets way more exposure than any other system the GAA have tried before in hurling

So not much exposure at all then.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 4:52pm

Rolo2010 wrote: »

So not much exposure at all then.

A little is at least better than none

Fann Linn · 22-11-2020 5:00pm

Lundstram wrote: »

Remarkably, the last time Dublin played an away game in the Leinster Championship was June 2006 in Longford.

14 years ago.

Incredible.

I'll spell it out for you:

Every year the Leinster Council meet up to decide on fixtures.
Each individual county has a vote.
Each individual county can opt to play their home game in their home county ground.
The fact that Dublin last played outside of Dublin almost 15 years ago says more about the other counties and their boards than about Dublin.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 5:29pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

I'll spell it out for you:

Every year the Leinster Council meet up to decide on fixtures.
Each individual county has a vote.
Each individual county can opt to play their home game in their home county ground.
The fact that Dublin last played outside of Dublin almost 15 years ago says more about the other counties and their boards than about Dublin.

Exactly but people don't want to look at their own county boards and say what are we doing in the long run or underage to get better easier blame Dublin. It's not like Leinster teams are tearing it up against counties of similar resources

Dyr · 22-11-2020 5:32pm

Would Meath win an Ulster, Connaught or Munster Footbal final?

Would they f***k

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 5:36pm

Bambi wrote: »

Would Meath win an Ulster, Connaught or Munster Footbal final?

Would they f***k

Ya but Cork and Antrim and Galway with their population and money and boo hoo hoo

dunnerc · 22-11-2020 6:33pm

Lundstram wrote: »

Remarkably, the last time Dublin played an away game in the Leinster Championship was June 2006 in Longford.

14 years ago.

Incredible.

Whats incredible is you deliberately ignore the reason why :rolleyes:

GalwayMark · 22-11-2020 7:03pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ya but Cork and Antrim and Galway with their population and money and boo hoo hoo

Unionists are the majority in Down and Antrim therefore you have to take any figures up North with a huge asterix beside them while Cork is still GAA mad but there's soccer with Cork City and Cobh Ramblers plus there's also basketball, rugby, other sports while having a massive rural population out west which is predominantly football esp. near the border with Kerry and East is mainly hurling so don't have quite the same resources even with its massive number of clubs outnumbering Dublin.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 7:12pm

GalwayMark wrote: »

Unionists are the majority in Down and Antrim therefore you have to take any figures up North with a huge asterix beside them while Cork is still GAA mad but there's soccer with Cork City and Cobh Ramblers plus there's also basketball, rugby, other sports while having a massive rural population out west which is predominantly football esp. near the border with Kerry and East is mainly hurling so don't have quite the same resources even with its massive number of clubs outnumbering Dublin.

It was a joke. Don't worry bout breaking it down too much

GalwayMark · 22-11-2020 7:14pm

Ultimately cross-border club leagues have allowed Kildare and Meath to victories over Dublin at Underage so why not think outside the box and therefore remove lines created hundreds of years ago to improve standards everywhere in both codes because people don't want to give up the inter county structure any time soon and doing the same thing again while expecting different results is the definition of insanity to paraphrase the scientist Albert Einstein.

GalwayMark · 22-11-2020 7:15pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

It was a joke. Don't worry bout breaking it down too much

Still there's a huge amount of truth in that statement so yeah the GAA needs to be radically reformed or it will go the way of the Church and Fianna Fail if they don't proceed very carefully. The new split season could allow these changes to happen within a few years.

Dyr · 22-11-2020 7:19pm

GalwayMark wrote: »

Unionists are the majority in Down and Antrim therefore you have to take any figures up North with a huge asterix beside them while Cork is still GAA mad but there's soccer with Cork City and Cobh Ramblers plus there's also basketball, rugby, other sports while having a massive rural population out west which is predominantly football esp. near the border with Kerry and East is mainly hurling so don't have quite the same resources even with its massive number of clubs outnumbering Dublin.

Thankfully no such distractions exist in Dublin

Do people even think before they post?

GalwayMark · 22-11-2020 7:22pm

Bambi wrote: »

Thankfully no such distractions exist in Dublin

Do people even think before they post?

Yes but Dublin can soak it up very handily while the rest of the island doesn't have quite the same resources so yeah the post only concerned major centres outside the capital where the population is much lower and doesn't have the playing numbers to sustain success at inter-county level very consistently.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 7:30pm

GalwayMark wrote: »

Still there's a huge amount of truth in that statement so yeah the GAA needs to be radically reformed or it will go the way of the Church and Fianna Fail if they don't proceed very carefully. The new split season could allow these changes to happen within a few years.

Don't worry the church and FF f****d this country I don't think the GAA are ever gonna be accused of anything that bad

RoyalCelt · 22-11-2020 9:01pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Is it Dublin or anyone elses fault the Kildare's stadium was a kip?

And your own county boards are happy to take the big gates from CP. If this all really was a big issue ye should all just pull out of Leinster in protest

If croker was in kildare, Newbridge would just be seen as another cosy parnell Park type game. Sadly they don't have it that easy.

RoyalCelt · 22-11-2020 9:03pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Don't worry the church and FF f****d this country I don't think the GAA are ever gonna be accused of anything that bad

In terms of what has happened to the leinster championship and now the all Ireland they've ****ed up more then those other institutions ever had. And every year it gets worse so not over yet.

They've butchered what was once the best provincial championship only rivalled by the munster hurling.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 9:04pm

RoyalCelt wrote: »

In terms of what has happened to the leinster championship and now the all Ireland they've ****ed up more then those other institutions ever had. And every year it gets worse so not over yet.

They've butchered what was once the best provincial championship only rivalled by the munster hurling.

Jokes aside comparing the death of the Leinster championship to what the church done is a bit sick

RoyalCelt · 22-11-2020 10:36pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Jokes aside comparing the death of the Leinster championship to what the church done is a bit sick

Yeah but that's if you put jokes aside. Indeed if you weren't joking it would be sick but sure if my aunt had balls!

risteard7 · 22-11-2020 10:40pm

dobman88 wrote: »

So its wrong for counties who havent a hope of winning the top prize to compete against teams of a similar standard for a trophy?

I guarantee you any player winning an all Ireland medal, regardless of what grade it's at, would be absolutely delighted.

It's not an All Ireland medal when only 5 or 6 counties are competing in it?

So is a Tipperary all Ireland medal worth the same as a Kerry Christy ring medal? No I dont think so

The Lost Sheep · 22-11-2020 10:42pm

risteard7 wrote: »

It's not an All Ireland medal when only 5 or 6 counties are competing in it?

So is a Tipperary all Ireland medal worth the same as a Kerry Christy ring medal? No I dont think so

You are still all ireland champions if you win the top tier and if you win a lower tiered competition you've properly earned your right to contest for the higher grades/competitions and its better than the current set up.

risteard7 · 22-11-2020 10:44pm

Bambi wrote: »

Would Meath win an Ulster, Connaught or Munster Footbal final?

Would they f***k

Why wouldn't they? None of the winners this year are from Division 1 next year

RoyalCelt · 23-11-2020 1:29am

risteard7 wrote: »

Why wouldn't they? None of the winners this year are from Division 1 next year

Don't forget more meath players turn down call ups then they accept. If we played in another province where we actually had a prayer the team would look very different. So not only would we compete in our current state but we could actually be better. Leinster as a championship is very damaging to any county competing bar dublin. It would be wise to try move to connaught or ulster like the way teams moved around in hurling.

dobman88 · 23-11-2020 10:34am

risteard7 wrote: »

It's not an All Ireland medal when only 5 or 6 counties are competing in it?

So is a Tipperary all Ireland medal worth the same as a Kerry Christy ring medal? No I dont think so

Of course it is. What makes Tipp winning Liam worthwhile but Kerry winning a Joe McDongah cup not worthwhile? Kerry will play in the Joe McDonagh final before the Senior hurling final, I'll be watching and hope they win and I know those lads will be absolutely delighted if they win.

dobman88 · 23-11-2020 10:35am

https://twitter.com/johnC_BL/status/1330526493538201602?s=19

crossman47 · 23-11-2020 3:24pm

dobman88 wrote: »

So its wrong for counties who havent a hope of winning the top prize to compete against teams of a similar standard for a trophy?

I guarantee you any player winning an all Ireland medal, regardless of what grade it's at, would be absolutely delighted.

I think Cavan and Tipp proved that a two tier championship is nonsense. The reason football is less attractive is Dublin dominance and possession type football (not just Dublin).

RoyalCelt · 23-11-2020 3:30pm

crossman47 wrote: »

I think Cavan and Tipp proved that a two tier championship is nonsense. The reason football is less attractive is Dublin dominance and possession type football (not just Dublin).

Even I connaught no team has defended it in 5 years. You had mayo dominance for about 5 years before but mayo are not a county as big as Dublin with the resources to cause a snowball effect and keep winning it forever. Even the mighty kerry can't. Same with Donegal who were going for 3 in a row.

The Lost Sheep · 23-11-2020 3:47pm

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Even I connaught no team has defended it in 5 years. You had mayo dominance for about 5 years before but mayo are not a county as big as Dublin with the resources to cause a snowball effect and keep winning it forever. Even the mighty kerry can't. Same with Donegal who were going for 3 in a row.

Kerry were going for 8 in a row before tipp won this year.
Tipp winning this year doesnt show two tiers isnt needed. We dont know if its a one off or not yet.

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