Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Busi_Girl08 · 20-11-2020 05:25PM

Tpcl20 wrote: »

My friend's father tested positive. His job requires a lot of in-person work but he was trying very hard to maintain distance and sanitize everything after his clients came in. His daughter and stepdaughter who live in their house as well are being tested as their symptomatic but his wife, who doesn't have symptoms, has been refused a test by the HSE as she isn't symptomatic.

I didn't know they were doing this, I thought that if you were a close contact you would be prioritised for testing, especially seeing as "most transmission is in households".

Strange. My friend was deemed a close contact with a work colleague (in a deli) who tested positive. My friend was told by HSE to isolate for the 14 days (she had no symptoms) and was tested twice, 7 and 11 or so days in. Tested negative both times.

VonLuck · 20-11-2020 05:29PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

Write Christmas off?

I've seen absolutely nobody bar colleagues, people I live with and medical staff since the lockdown was announced because I'm abiding by the restrictions but I'm f*cked if I'm gonna leave my 90 year old grandmother alone for Christmas because of restrictions. I don't care what they say by Christmas, she'll be coming to mine and staying the night.

Most people wouldn't judge you for that. As long as you and, more importantly, your grandmother are aware of the risks (however small they may be).

circadian · 20-11-2020 05:29PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

I can't provide links as I'm new to boards. You have, I see already concluded that the deaths are not vaccine related. You can find the story Newsweek 20 NOV. The number had by then risen to 60, now at 82 deaths. You are projecting your confirmation bias onto others as is usually the case with small minded people. I am asking "probing questions" as I have found someone who knows what they are talking about and I want to learn as much as possible on the subject.

I'm projecting my confirmation bias? Please, continue. Yes that particular user knows what they're talking about, they've been very informative on here for months. I just don't think you're getting more information to learn, more so to draw your own conclusions that are most likely not what the information clearly shows.

Many have come before you, I suspect many will follow.

AltGrp0 · 20-11-2020 05:38PM

circadian wrote: »

I'm projecting my confirmation bias? Please, continue. Yes that particular user knows what they're talking about, they've been very informative on here for months. I just don't think you're getting more information to learn, more so to draw your own conclusions that are most likely not what the information clearly shows.

Many have come before you, I suspect many will follow.

yawn

ACitizenErased · 20-11-2020 05:39PM

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1329825567399677955?s=20

lawrencesummers · 20-11-2020 05:43PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

Write Christmas off?

I've seen absolutely nobody bar colleagues, people I live with and medical staff since the lockdown was announced because I'm abiding by the restrictions but I'm f*cked if I'm gonna leave my 90 year old grandmother alone for Christmas because of restrictions. I don't care what they say by Christmas, she'll be coming to mine and staying the night.

The best thing anybody could do for the grandparents is get them out of nursing homes, residential setting and hospitals where at all possible.

froog · 20-11-2020 05:45PM

we're gonna smash this thing.

lawrencesummers · 20-11-2020 05:46PM

Tpcl20 wrote: »

My friend's father tested positive. His job requires a lot of in-person work but he was trying very hard to maintain distance and sanitize everything after his clients came in. His daughter and stepdaughter who live in their house as well are being tested as their symptomatic but his wife, who doesn't have symptoms, has been refused a test by the HSE as she isn't symptomatic.

I didn't know they were doing this, I thought that if you were a close contact you would be prioritised for testing, especially seeing as "most transmission is in households".

And it will all be put down as a household infection.
Tell that mother to cop on and pretend she has symptoms.

Tpcl20 · 20-11-2020 05:47PM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Strange. My friend was deemed a close contact with a work colleague (in a deli) who tested positive. My friend was told by HSE to isolate for the 14 days (she had no symptoms) and was tested twice, 7 and 11 or so days in. Tested negative both times.

When was this?

My friend's dad tested positive today and his wife was refused the test today. In an urban centre with a lot of cases.

stephenjmcd · 20-11-2020 05:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1329825567399677955?s=20

And we've a committee....

Stheno · 20-11-2020 05:50PM

Tpcl20 wrote: »

When was this?

My friend's dad tested positive today and his wife was refused the test today. In an urban centre with a lot of cases.

Who refused to get her tested? Her GP?

mloc123 · 20-11-2020 05:54PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

I've seen absolutely nobody bar colleagues, people I live with and medical staff since the lockdown was announced because I'm abiding by the restrictions

And thanks to your dedication, the people that are not abiding by any restrictions can now meet 3 or 4 times as many people... they would thank you, but they are busy planning their weekend.

Busi_Girl08 · 20-11-2020 05:55PM

Tpcl20 wrote: »

When was this?

My friend's dad tested positive today and his wife was refused the test today. In an urban centre with a lot of cases.

2-3 weeks ago.

hmmm · 20-11-2020 05:58PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

None of this makes sense. For starters. Why is the average age of deaths "with covid" at 84 is above the national average for all causes at 82? Why, if this is a lethal pandemic has there been NO EXCESS MORTALITY for the year to date?

You might have noticed but we've been locking down to control spread.

The UK has 70,000 excess deaths this year so far, they haven't done so well.

As for your claim that there are large numbers of deaths from flu vaccines this year - will you ever give over.

Spanish Eyes · 20-11-2020 06:00PM

I wonder if the Ethnic Wedding group of 50+ people who caused mayhem on the flight to Malaga the other day will be forcibly quarantined on their return? Not a chance. And I doubt they will do it voluntarily either.

Incidences like that are the leaks in the system, but sure just blame everyone else for not washing their hands.

HBC08 · 20-11-2020 06:03PM

GT89 wrote: »

Well said, Right Said Fred
https://news.sky.com/story/right-said-fred-were-not-covid-deniers-but-living-like-hermits-is-killing-the-country-12136769

That's,the last link,the chain is now completed,all the greatest minds in the world are in agreement with your ravings.

Ficheall · 20-11-2020 06:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1329825567399677955?s=20

Trump promised similar, didn't he? They must be on to something.

Jinglejangle69 · 20-11-2020 06:05PM

The traffic at the moment is crazy.

bb1234567 · 20-11-2020 06:06PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

None of this makes sense. For starters. Why is the average age of deaths "with covid" at 84 is above the national average for all causes at 82? Why, if this is a lethal pandemic has there been NO EXCESS MORTALITY for the year to date?

Bit of a nit pick but it's annoying when people conflate 'no excess death' and 'no exceptional excess death'. Ireland does have excess deaths of about 900-1200 above normal, it's nothing uncommon for a bad flu season, but still, there are excess deaths. Excess deaths in Northern Ireland are very high, 3x times higher than ours per capita

Extremely high excess deaths in countries like Belgium, Spain, UK, Peru, ,MExico, USA, Poland Russia and dozens more have made it patently clear that the only reason our excess deaths are within normal range is because of restrictions

Loafing Oaf · 20-11-2020 06:10PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Bit of a nit pick but it's annoying when people conflate 'no excess death' and 'no exceptional excess death'.

Ah but they put it in capitals so it must be true

Martina1991 · 20-11-2020 06:15PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I appreciate your patience in this regard. So, analyzers always run up to their full capacity of 45 cycles. If positive results only occur when cycles reach 35+ then the the tests are repeated, as positive readings above 35 cycles are considered unreliable. Why is the test not simply counted as a negative result at this stage?

Positive results can occur at any cycle.
The earlier the viral replication occurs implies that swab has a very high viral load and the patient highly infectious.

Anecdotally in our lab, the patient who had the highest viral load and flagged positive at very early cycle was an asymptomatic lady who came in to have a pre-op swab done before her elective procedure. Had no idea she was positive and was highly infectious.
Some may think asymptomatic people aren't infectious and that isn't true.

If a patients swab flags as positive above 35 cycles it is repeated. If it positive again then it will likely be reported as positive. If the swab is negative on repeat it will likely be reported as negative.
It may also be reported as indeterminate and the patient may be required to be swabbed again. Which is probably the safer thing to do. *

* These decisions may vary between analsyers, labs or individual hospital policy.

AltGrp0 · 20-11-2020 06:18PM

hmmm wrote: »

You might have noticed but we've been locking down to control spread.

The UK has 70,000 excess deaths this year so far, they haven't done so well.

As for your claim that there are large numbers of deaths from flu vaccines this year - will you ever give over.

Wrong on all counts
UK excess deaths nearly all occurred March April - during period of full lockdown - due to mismanagement of elderly cases, same as Ireland .. So lockdowns don't save lives.UK deaths at normal levels since then. 82 flu vaccine related deaths in South Korea is a fact, sadly. Whether we like it or not. Singapore halted use of same vaccines as a result.

Seamai · 20-11-2020 06:20PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I wonder if the Ethnic Wedding group of 50+ people who caused mayhem on the flight to Malaga the other day will be forcibly quarantined on their return? Not a chance. And I doubt they will do it voluntarily either.

Incidences like that are the leaks in the system, but sure just blame everyone else for not washing their hands.

I'm only hearing about that now, when you say ethnic I'm guessing native 100% Irish ethnic?

bb1234567 · 20-11-2020 06:22PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

Wrong on all counts
UK excess deaths nearly all occurred March April - during period of full lockdown - due to mismanagement of elderly cases, same as Ireland .. So lockdowns don't save lives.UK deaths at normal levels since then. 82 flu vaccine related deaths in South Korea is a fact, sadly. Whether we like it or not. Singapore halted use of same vaccines as a result.

Again UK excess deaths have been above normal for about 4 weeks now, not exceptionally above normal but quite significantly above normal. But you're right that care home excess deaths are at normal levels, most excess deaths in UK now are in hospitals and at home

https://www.actuaries.org.uk/news-and-insights/news/cmi-sees-fourth-successive-week-increasing-excess-deaths

Eod100 · 20-11-2020 06:22PM

Can't read too much into this but wonder is it expected to be good news if government will announce on same day they get NPHET's recommendations?

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1329825391155027969

Gael23 · 20-11-2020 06:23PM

Any swab data yet

Seamai · 20-11-2020 06:24PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Any swab data yet

Saw 388 earlier.

hmmm · 20-11-2020 06:25PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

Wrong on all counts
82 flu vaccine related deaths in South Korea is a fact, sadly. Whether we like it or not. Singapore halted use of same vaccines as a result.

Your "facts" are wrong.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2020-2021/death-south-korea-following-flu-vaccination.htm

Martina1991 · 20-11-2020 06:25PM

Tpcl20 wrote: »

When was this?

My friend's dad tested positive today and his wife was refused the test today. In an urban centre with a lot of cases.

This doesn't make sense.
All close contacts are tested, especially in a household.

From the HSE site:
"What to do if you are a close contact
If you are a close contact you need to:
- get tested for COVID-19
- restrict your movements for 14 days - do this from when you were last in contact with that person."
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/close-contact-and-casual-contact.html

I thought I read somewhere that Northern Ireland dont test asymptomatic contacts but that shouldn't happen in Ireland.

froog · 20-11-2020 06:30PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Can't read too much into this but wonder is it expected to be good news if government will announce on same day they get NPHET's recommendations?

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1329825391155027969

they should have michail and tony pop out of a giant kinder egg at the end of a billy barry number.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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