Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

AltGrp0 · 20-11-2020 03:56PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

No they are not.

Different analysers run at various PCR cycles. Some might be 35, 40 or 45. It depends on the lab and the manufacturer, so Colm Henry could not give one answer to that question.

I work in a hospital lab. Our Microbiology department analyser CAN run up to 45 cycles but any patient sample that flags as positive over 35 cycles will be repeated at per the manufacturer's SOP. We have yet to have a positive patient greater than 31 cycles.

Just because an analyser can run up to 45 cycles does absolutely not mean that loads, or any, positive swabs are detected and reported at that level.

People have been misunderstanding and misrepresenting the whole testing process since the beginning. There are a lot of quality controls, extensive documentation that regulat Covid swab analysis.

There are not huge numbers of false positives. Dr Cillian De Gascun, virologist and head of the NVRL said it himself. He posted a Twitter thread trying to explain the testing process and people still took it up wrong and drew their own wrong conclusions and continue to report them as fact.

Thank you for your response. It raises a number of questions though.
For what reason does your laboratory perform tests at anything other than manufacturers SOP in the first place?
If more than 31 cycles has never been required to show a positive result, why continue to perform tests at 35, 40 and 45 cycles?

Will Yam · 20-11-2020 03:58PM

seamus wrote: »

I know it seems like such a petty matter, but for some reason this **** enrages me.

Not because I hold RTE presenters up on a pedestal, or I consider them to be paragons of virtue.

But because there is no fvkcing excuse for it. "Momentary lapse in judgement" my hole. It's not like any of them "forgot" there was a pandemic on for that brief moment. They knew what they were doing and either decided that they didn't care, or didn't have the balls to not do it.

And then people get all worked up when NPHET accuse workplaces of not sticking to the rules, or people having parties. But if this is taking place in RTE, it's taking place everywhere.

I'm unreasonably irritated by those photos. If everyone makes an exception "just this once" for whatever they're doing, the virus will just keep circulating.

And I dont buy this “impromptu” nonsense spewed out by rte.

The whole thing was well planned right down to the balloons.

And when they say “a small” number of people attended for a “Short” period, what do they mean?

Hulk Hands · 20-11-2020 04:05PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Wow! This thread really is a slimey place! Lifting up the slate to find a load of bug-eyed grubs scurrying about the place.

People viciously attacker Tony Holohan. A man almost universally held up as an example of someone who has ably guided this country through a terrible crisis. Some of the vile stuff posted was tough to read.

Is this a wind up? Nobody outside the country knows who he is.

Within the country, a significant portion of people are asking why 20%+ of cases are healthcare workers, why the largest cohort percentage wise is the 85+ age group, why the nursing homes were a shambles, why he talks down to the population daily as if they're infants and why he is lecturing via twitter when his role is to advise Government.

The man had the entire country rooting for him in March/April despite past indiscretions. He had people automatically onside. Performance issues is what's changed in the meantime

Polar101 · 20-11-2020 04:11PM

growleaves wrote: »

Jurgen Klopp refuses to criticise Salah after attending wedding

"I’ve been in close contact with him"

Slightly unfortunate choice of words there from Klopp.

seamus · 20-11-2020 04:13PM

12,793 swabs, 388 positive. 3.03%. 7-day down to 3.5%

Back on track.

stephenjmcd · 20-11-2020 04:13PM

388 positive swabs from 12,793 tests, 3% positivity

After yesterday's number and looking back over previous days there really shouldn't be anything outstanding. Cases should be below 400

AltGrp0 · 20-11-2020 04:14PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Is this a wind up? Nobody outside the country knows who he is.

Within the country, a significant portion of people are asking why 20%+ of cases are healthcare workers, why the largest cohort percentage wise is the 85+ age group, why the nursing homes were a shambles, why he talks down to the population daily as if they're infants and why he is lecturing via twitter when his role is to advise Government.

The man had the entire country rooting for him in March/April despite past indiscretions. He had people automatically onside. Performance issues is what's changed in the meantime

None of this makes sense. For starters. Why is the average age of deaths "with covid" at 84 is above the national average for all causes at 82? Why, if this is a lethal pandemic has there been NO EXCESS MORTALITY for the year to date?

Seamai · 20-11-2020 04:18PM

GT89 wrote: »

Well said, Right Said Fred
https://news.sky.com/story/right-said-fred-were-not-covid-deniers-but-living-like-hermits-is-killing-the-country-12136769

Given the quality of their past musical offerings it's difficult for me to take them too seriously.

Polar101 · 20-11-2020 04:21PM

Will Yam wrote: »

And I dont buy this “impromptu” nonsense spewed out by rte.

The whole thing was well planned right down to the balloons.

And when they say “a small” number of people attended for a “Short” period, what do they mean?

Yeah, it's very irritating - and not unlike the Golfgate scandal. I haven't seen any of my colleagues face to face in over 8 months, but these guys are having parties. We all know it's rubbish when they come up with these excuses about how it wasn't a planned party - if they expect anyone to believe that no-one in RTE remembered there's level 5 restrictions ongoing, then it's just insulting.

At least Bryan Dobson issued a proper apology.

Polar101 · 20-11-2020 04:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

388 positive swabs from 12,793 tests, 3% positivity

After yesterday's number and looking back over previous days there really shouldn't be anything outstanding. Cases should be below 400

Looks promising, high number of tests and low positivity rate.

manofwisdom · 20-11-2020 04:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

388 positive swabs from 12,793 tests, 3% positivity

After yesterday's number and looking back over previous days there really shouldn't be anything outstanding. Cases should be below 400

A repeat of yesterday would give us 495 reported cases this evening. Stranger things have happened.

AssetBacked2 · 20-11-2020 04:27PM

growleaves wrote: »

Jurgen Klopp refuses to criticise Salah after attending wedding

Fair play Klopp. Why should he have to criticise Salah for that? Bottom of the barrel stuff but unsurprising from the hysteria we've seen in the media.

circadian · 20-11-2020 04:27PM

Hopefully we're over the Halloween related bump in numbers and it'd be nice to see a decrease over the next week.

NI is ****ed however. No lockdown for a week then another "circuit breaker" next week. Everything is going to be rammed, this close to Christmas. Hair cuts, shopping and anything else that people deem absolutely imperative to have done in that one week.

Then we look at Scotland who are locking down the border and locking down council areas, they're not ****ing around.

Seamai · 20-11-2020 04:32PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah, it's very irritating - and not unlike the Golfgate scandal. I haven't seen any of my colleagues face to face in over 8 months, but these guys are having parties. We all know it's rubbish when they come up with these excuses about how it wasn't a planned party - if they expect anyone to believe that no-one in RTE remembered there's level 5 restrictions ongoing, then it's just insulting.

At least Bryan Dobson issued a proper apology.

I'm not interested in an apology, an admission of stupidity or arrogance maybe.
I was at an aunt's funeral yesterday, 25 in the church, maybe another half dozen in the cemetery, no one within an asses roar of anyone unless they were from the same household.
It felt strange, my first funeral since the whole thing kicked off. I had reservations about going put everyone there had enough cop on so why do some people think the recommendations don't apply to them?

Martina1991 · 20-11-2020 04:34PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

Thank you for your response. It raises a number of questions though.
For what reason does your laboratory perform tests at anything other than manufacturers SOP in the first place?
If more than 31 cycles has never been required to show a positive result, why continue to perform tests at 35, 40 and 45 cycles?

They don't. I don't think you understand the process.

The analysis will be completed when the analyser does 45 cycles. That's what the analyser can perform, what it was built to do, what it is capable of.

They know anything positive at the upper level could be remnants of RNA or contamination.
So they instruct users to repeat anything that comes up as positive over 35 cycles to be sure of the result.

I just gave the example that our lab hasn't had a patient result over 35 cycles. We don't use 31 as the cut off. We could get a swab give a positive result at 36 or 38 and then it would be repeated.

I gave this example to demonstrate that positive results over 35 cycles are rare and wont be resulted as positive unless the lab is absolutely sure it is s positive and not a false one.

20-11-2020 04:35PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Yeah, it's very irritating - and not unlike the Golfgate scandal. I haven't seen any of my colleagues face to face in over 8 months, but these guys are having parties. We all know it's rubbish when they come up with these excuses about how it wasn't a planned party - if they expect anyone to believe that no-one in RTE remembered there's level 5 restrictions ongoing, then it's just insulting.

At least Bryan Dobson issued a proper apology.

It's gas, young people stand outside as advised, drinking in the rain and RTE are all over it like white on rice, for the week..this very reporting has NPHET chomping at the bit, and here we are the very peddlers of hysteria themselves and is a "LAPSE OF JUDGEMENT" a bit like the same lapse of judgement that led one of their producers to the UK in hopes of procuring relations with minor!!
also, where's the fines?? obvious breaches that we are told will be met with punitive fines..so have it it?? line up Montrose?? it's not a lapse, it's a law breach as we understand it!

ACitizenErased · 20-11-2020 04:36PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1329810274644340740?s=20

bb1234567 · 20-11-2020 04:38PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/south-korea-facing-crisis-says-pm-as-covid-measures-tightened
South Korean PM has announced 'crisis' as country's national case daily average rises by over 200. Bit of an overreaction?! The koreans must be quaking with the fear lookin West if that's what constitutes crisis over there

circadian · 20-11-2020 04:40PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/south-korea-facing-crisis-says-pm-as-covid-measures-tightened
South Korean PM has announced 'crisis' as country's national case daily average rises by over 200. Bit of an overreaction?! The koreans must be quaking with the fear lookin West if that's what constitutes crisis over there

South Korea is densely populated. They've had some fast spreading outbreaks throughout the pandemic and the best way for them to handle it is to take swift action.

prunudo · 20-11-2020 04:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1329810274644340740?s=20

Sorry Nphet/Hse, time for us to divert the focus off us and onto someone else!

Theboinkmaster · 20-11-2020 04:41PM

circadian wrote: »

Hopefully we're over the Halloween related bump in numbers and it'd be nice to see a decrease over the next week.

Wishful thinking IMO I think it's levelled off - don't think we will see average daily cases drop below 300/400 in the next 2 weeks.

Public have had enough.

owlbethere · 20-11-2020 04:48PM

I think it's more important now more so than ever to follow the guidelines and reduce virus transmissions. I know many people like to think this virus is mild but it's not. There's long covid and damage or organs. We are so close to a vaccine being rolled out. Phizer applying for emergency use could mean the start of vaccine being rolled out from next months. It will probably be healthcare workers first for the vaccine. I read somewhere that some of the vaccine ls in development for covid is 2 injections 28 days apart. It will be the end of January by the time the first round of people being vaccinated will have protection from the vaccine.

What's the point of throwing caution to the wind and potentially being responsible for rising infection rates and for spread and jeopardising the plan to protect healthcare workers?

I'm willing to write off the rest of this year and Christmas and hunker down and go nuts next summer after a vaccine for the general population.

20-11-2020 04:59PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I think it's more important now more so than ever to follow the guidelines and reduce virus transmissions. I know many people like to think this virus is mild but it's not. There's long covid and damage or organs. We are so close to a vaccine being rolled out. Phizer applying for emergency use could mean the start of vaccine being rolled out from next months. It will probably be healthcare workers first for the vaccine. I read somewhere that some of the vaccine ls in development for covid is 2 injections 28 days apart. It will be the end of January by the time the first round of people being vaccinated will have protection from the vaccine.

What's the point of throwing caution to the wind and potentially being responsible for rising infection rates and for spread and jeopardising the plan to protect healthcare workers?

I'm willing to write off the rest of this year and Christmas and hunker down and go nuts next summer after a vaccine for the general population.

I get what you're saying but frequently we here, wear a mask, don't wear a mask, it's mild to 80% , it's deadly to everyone, this is a new virus we know nothing about and yet we know there are long term lifetime affects, even though it's a new disease..

so should we all follow the guidelines or just the grunts and not RTE , not the political classes, not the gardai? all of these mentioned have been caught lovely taking the absolute piss out of the public advice you want us to follow and these are the ones who got caught by the way!

I'm not attacking you as a poster but I think your message will be lost when asking anyone to follow advice which seems to carry a "do as we say not as we do" clause attached.

I hope that makes sense, I'm not getting at you at all, just to clarify.

copeyhagen · 20-11-2020 05:00PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I think it's more important now more so than ever to follow the guidelines and reduce virus transmissions. I know many people like to think this virus is mild but it's not. There's long covid and damage or organs. We are so close to a vaccine being rolled out. Phizer applying for emergency use could mean the start of vaccine being rolled out from next months. It will probably be healthcare workers first for the vaccine. I read somewhere that some of the vaccine ls in development for covid is 2 injections 28 days apart. It will be the end of January by the time the first round of people being vaccinated will have protection from the vaccine.

What's the point of throwing caution to the wind and potentially being responsible for rising infection rates and for spread and jeopardising the plan to protect healthcare workers?

I'm willing to write off the rest of this year and Christmas and hunker down and go nuts next summer after a vaccine for the general population.

That sounds like a party, write Xmas off.. have you friends or family?

lawrencesummers · 20-11-2020 05:01PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I think it's more important now more so than ever to follow the guidelines and reduce virus transmissions. I know many people like to think this virus is mild but it's not. There's long covid and damage or organs. We are so close to a vaccine being rolled out. Phizer applying for emergency use could mean the start of vaccine being rolled out from next months. It will probably be healthcare workers first for the vaccine. I read somewhere that some of the vaccine ls in development for covid is 2 injections 28 days apart. It will be the end of January by the time the first round of people being vaccinated will have protection from the vaccine.

What's the point of throwing caution to the wind and potentially being responsible for rising infection rates and for spread and jeopardising the plan to protect healthcare workers?

I'm willing to write off the rest of this year and Christmas and hunker down and go nuts next summer after a vaccine for the general population.

Fair play to you.
The more people that adopt that attitude the less people that will be in the pub when I spend every afternoon there once they reopen

Bring on Christmas, beer, darts, parties and a life.

PmMeUrDogs · 20-11-2020 05:04PM

Write Christmas off?

I've seen absolutely nobody bar colleagues, people I live with and medical staff since the lockdown was announced because I'm abiding by the restrictions but I'm f*cked if I'm gonna leave my 90 year old grandmother alone for Christmas because of restrictions. I don't care what they say by Christmas, she'll be coming to mine and staying the night.

AltGrp0 · 20-11-2020 05:08PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

They don't. I don't think you understand the process.

The analysis will be completed when the analyser does 45 cycles. That's what the analyser can perform, what it was built to do, what it is capable of.

They know anything positive at the upper level could be remnants of RNA or contamination.
So they instruct users to repeat anything that comes up as positive over 35 cycles to be sure of the result.

I just gave the example that our lab hasn't had a patient result over 35 cycles. We don't use 31 as the cut off. We could get a swab give a positive result at 36 or 38 and then it would be repeated.

I gave this example to demonstrate that positive results over 35 cycles are rare and wont be resulted as positive unless the lab is absolutely sure it is s positive and not a false one.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I appreciate your patience in this regard. So, analyzers always run up to their full capacity of 45 cycles. If positive results only occur when cycles reach 35+ then the the tests are repeated, as positive readings above 35 cycles are considered unreliable. Why is the test not simply counted as a negative result at this stage?

circadian · 20-11-2020 05:14PM

AltGrp0 wrote: »

South Koreans should be more concerned by the 48 people who died there this year after taking their flu vaccine.

Did they just die after having the vaccine or are the deaths vaccine related? Have you got any more information on this? Any idea what the uptake on the flu vaccine there is this year?

I see you're asking probing questions of other users and doing your best to draw a conclusion that you want rather than looking at the information without bias.

Tpcl20 · 20-11-2020 05:15PM

My friend's father tested positive. His job requires a lot of in-person work but he was trying very hard to maintain distance and sanitize everything after his clients came in. His daughter and stepdaughter who live in their house as well are being tested as their symptomatic but his wife, who doesn't have symptoms, has been refused a test by the HSE as she isn't symptomatic.

I didn't know they were doing this, I thought that if you were a close contact you would be prioritised for testing, especially seeing as "most transmission is in households".

AltGrp0 · 20-11-2020 05:24PM

circadian wrote: »

Did they just die after having the vaccine or are the deaths vaccine related? Have you got any more information on this? Any idea what the uptake on the flu vaccine there is this year?

I see you're asking probing questions of other users and doing your best to draw a conclusion that you want rather than looking at the information without bias.

I can't provide links as I'm new to boards. You have, I see already concluded that the deaths are not vaccine related. You can find the story Newsweek 20 NOV. The number had by then risen to 60, now at 82 deaths. You are projecting your confirmation bias onto others as is usually the case with small minded people. I am asking "probing questions" as I have found someone who knows what they are talking about and I want to learn as much as possible on the subject.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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