Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

ChikiChiki · 14-11-2020 03:17PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I was in town late last Saturday night and you really need to be watching yourself. There is a lot of lowlife hanging around and the vibe is not great after 10pm. Be careful with it, I did not feel comfortable at all. It is eerily quiet and as I said there are plenty of opportunists lurking around.

Try to stay local if at all possible.

It's like the walking dead. Junkies and alcos more visible. Was the same during the first lockdown.

IAMAMORON · 14-11-2020 05:04PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

It's like the walking dead. Junkies and alcos more visible. Was the same during the first lockdown.

It feels well dodgy. Especially if you are on your own. No fun after dark either.

vafankillar · 14-11-2020 05:47PM

showpony1 wrote: »

has anyone done takeaway pints in dublin city centre? is there anywhere that lets you use toilets?
i know there is stephens green but closes quite early.

I think they stay open till 8pm don't they? most places are only serving till between 8-9 i think anyway

PTH2009 · 14-11-2020 06:07PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1114/1178163-irish-pubs-covid/

yeah they do have a point, all the expense for a '2 week opening' and then shut again

MelbourneMan · 14-11-2020 06:46PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1114/1178163-irish-pubs-covid/

yeah they do have a point, all the expense for a '2 week opening' and then shut again

Hello. We must accept that they are the ones best placed to know their business model and operating costs. Good to see a Federation officially getting behind not opening for a couple of weeks at Christmas. That it is necessary is unfortunate, but in the circumstances, understandably necessary. Credit where it is due here.

stephenjmcd · 14-11-2020 06:49PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. We must accept that they are the ones best placed to know their business model and operating costs. Good to see a Federation officially getting behind not opening for a couple of weeks at Christmas. That it is necessary is unfortunate, but in the circumstances, understandably necessary. Credit where it is due here.

Hello, good evening,

You know well thats not what they're saying, they want to open safely and stay open, not what your suggesting of not wanting to open at all.

Oh and aren't you banned from most threads on here now including this one. Apologies to mods in advance if construed as back seating.

ShyMets · 14-11-2020 06:51PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. We must accept that they are the ones best placed to know their business model and operating costs. Good to see a Federation officially getting behind not opening for a couple of weeks at Christmas. That it is necessary is unfortunate, but in the circumstances, understandably necessary. Credit where it is due here.

Hello. Some Parody accounts are humorous. You fall into the irritating category

mightyreds · 14-11-2020 06:51PM

He makes some good pints they won't want to open for just Christmas week, also if the north opens and we don't, plenty of people off over Christmas will head up for a night to have a meal and a few drinks out.

MelbourneMan · 14-11-2020 07:51PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hello, good evening,

You know well thats not what they're saying, they want to open safely and stay open, not what your suggesting of not wanting to open at all.

Oh and aren't you banned from most threads on here now including this one. Apologies to mods in advance if construed as back seating.

It sets out their stall clearly, and thus removes pressure from the decision the government will have to make in two weeks time, where there might have been lobbying for a limited week or two's opening of pubs during the festive season. Keeping clubs closed will provide good scope for family Christmases to be more normal that would otherwise be possible.

stephenjmcd · 14-11-2020 07:56PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

It sets out their stall clearly, and thus removes pressure from the decision the government will have to make in two weeks time, where there might have been lobbying for a limited week or two's opening of pubs during the festive season. Keeping clubs closed will provide good scope for family Christmases to be more normal that would otherwise be possible.

Nobody was ever lobbying for a week or twos opening, thats in your head I think. Alot like most of the stuff you post.

They set out their stall a while ago that they wanted to be allowed trade like others and not to be told you've only x amount of weeks, that point again being reiterated today.

Anyway I won't indulge you further, your time is probably limited on here anyway

Ted_YNWA · 15-11-2020 08:37AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hello, good evening,

You know well thats not what they're saying, they want to open safely and stay open, not what your suggesting of not wanting to open at all.

Oh and aren't you banned from most threads on here now including this one. Apologies to mods in advance if construed as back seating.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Anyway I won't indulge you further, your time is probably limited on here anyway

Mod

Threadbans are issued by the moderating team. It doesnt affect a users privileges on other threads.

If you have an issue with a user, user the ignore function. Don't stir up an on thread vendetta.

If you feel someone breaches or merits one - report the post and we will review.

YFlyer · 15-11-2020 10:20AM

I'm just looking at Citizens Advice Bureau website. Said for off licences alcohol can only be bought from 10:30 am to 10 pm Monday to Saturday. 12:30 till 10 pm on Sunday.

When was morning times changed from 10 am to 10:30 am?

votecounts · 15-11-2020 10:26AM

YFlyer wrote: »

I'm just looking at Citizens Advice Bureau website. Said for off licences alcohol can only be bought from 10:30 am to 10 pm Monday to Saturday. 12:30 till 10 pm on Sunday.

When was morning times changed from 10 am to 10:30 am?

Its always been 1030 afaik

Drifter50 · 15-11-2020 11:04AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

It sets out their stall clearly, and thus removes pressure from the decision the government will have to make in two weeks time, where there might have been lobbying for a limited week or two's opening of pubs during the festive season. Keeping clubs closed will provide good scope for family Christmases to be more normal that would otherwise be possible.

Clearly the pubs need to open and stay open, There is no way they want to close again after organising staff and supplies. Open the pubs under some more regulations but they must remain open. What bank is going to agree to a loan or overdraft to kit out a premises so as they comply with the regulations and then close again, Covid 19 is going to be be here for the next 2 years we have to live with it

MelbourneMan · 15-11-2020 11:32AM

Drifter50 wrote: »

Clearly the pubs need to open and stay open

Hello. There is no 'clearly', nor 'need', about pubs being open. Your statement is unjustifiable.

While a political call in the end, I speculate, but with confidence, that most would agree, that those working in them must be supported by the rest of the economy, the public house sector is one of the ones with the lowest consequences from being shut down.

They are the end of a supply chain. Supplying a non-essential product, however much people might enjoy what it offers. Socialising, and beverages, are perfectly possible without them. And while recognising that many establishments both made great efforts to be as safe as possible, and complied with all recommendations on good practice for corona propagation mitigation, they are nevertheless, of their nature, a locus of person to person contact.

Considering the risks and benefits, there is no question that a period of extended opening of them is unwise.

I am advocating strongly however, and will not let up in my push for this proposal, that restrictions on society and socialising be reduced dramatically. Almost to normal, levels, for a very limited number of days during the festive period. As long as this is very time limited, if the data at the beginning of December confirms that the short term outlook is positive, then this can be facilitated. And would include pub openings, with restrictions, for some days, or roughly a week in total. This would be a tolerable risk. If publicans deem this not economic, then they are likely correct, and can choose not to open. The loss to general society, will be minimal. The priority is to enable family get togethers, within reason, in private settings.

Ray Donovan · 15-11-2020 11:38AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. There is no 'clearly', nor 'need', about pubs being open. Your statement is unjustifiable.

While a political call in the end, I speculate, but with confidence, that most would agree, that those working in them must be supported by the rest of the economy, the public house sector is one of the ones with the lowest consequences from being shut down.

They are the end of a supply chain. Supplying a non-essential product, however much people might enjoy what it offers. Socialising, and beverages, are perfectly possible without them. And while recognising that many establishments both made great efforts to be as safe as possible, and complied with all recommendations on good practice for corona propagation mitigation, they are nevertheless, of their nature, a locus of person to person contact.

Considering the risks and benefits, there is no question that a period of extended opening of them is unwise.

I am advocating strongly however, and will not let up in my push for this proposal, that restrictions on society and socialising be reduced dramatically. Almost to normal, levels, for a very limited number of days during the festive period. As long as this is very time limited, if the data at the beginning of December confirms that the short term outlook is positive, then this can be facilitated. And would include pub openings, with restrictions, for some days, or roughly a week in total. This would be a tolerable risk. If publicans deem this not economic, then they are likely correct, and can choose not to open. The loss to general society, will be minimal. The priority is to enable family get togethers, within reason, in private settings.

Incel much?

mightyreds · 15-11-2020 11:42AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. There is no 'clearly', nor 'need', about pubs being open. Your statement is unjustifiable.

While a political call in the end, I speculate, but with confidence, that most would agree, that those working in them must be supported by the rest of the economy, the public house sector is one of the ones with the lowest consequences from being shut down.

They are the end of a supply chain. Supplying a non-essential product, however much people might enjoy what it offers. Socialising, and beverages, are perfectly possible without them. And while recognising that many establishments both made great efforts to be as safe as possible, and complied with all recommendations on good practice for corona propagation mitigation, they are nevertheless, of their nature, a locus of person to person contact.

Considering the risks and benefits, there is no question that a period of extended opening of them is unwise.

I am advocating strongly however, and will not let up in my push for this proposal, that restrictions on society and socialising be reduced dramatically. Almost to normal, levels, for a very limited number of days during the festive period. As long as this is very time limited, if the data at the beginning of December confirms that the short term outlook is positive, then this can be facilitated. And would include pub openings, with restrictions, for some days, or roughly a week in total. This would be a tolerable risk. If publicans deem this not economic, then they are likely correct, and can choose not to open. The loss to general society, will be minimal. The priority is to enable family get togethers, within reason, in private settings.

Who will you be pushing for this to happen , are you a member of nphet or the government, how much weight will your push have?

ShyMets · 15-11-2020 11:44AM

mightyreds wrote: »

Who will you be pushing for this to happen , are you a member of nphet or the government, how much weight will your push have?

The last time I checked there was no Walter Mitty listed as a member of NPHET

emo72 · 15-11-2020 11:47AM

Maybe he's just pushing on here. Trying to convince us that a social life is not necessary. Sure why don't we cancel weekends and just work all the time?

St.Spodo · 15-11-2020 11:47AM

I suspect now that NPHET will make the calculation that contact tracing will be more straightforward and effective if people are only meeting in each other's homes over the Christmas period, and therefore we won't be seeing indoor service in pubs and restaurants until a significant proportion of people in at risk groups are vaccinated at some point in the coming months.

KaneToad · 15-11-2020 11:52AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. There is no 'clearly', nor 'need', about pubs being open. Your statement is unjustifiable.

While a political call in the end, I....

I'd agree with this logic, to a certain extent. There is a clear divide here though: those that aren't overly bothered about socialising in a pub ( myself included) don't place as much importance on their reopening.

Ultimately, I would hope that science drives the decisions made and not politics.

15-11-2020 12:03PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

And would include pub openings, with restrictions, for some days, or roughly a week in total. This would be a tolerable risk. If publicans deem this not economic, then they are likely correct, and can choose not to open.

Flippantly ignorant on so many levels, the provocateur in you simply cannot resist. You remind me of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid about to run out into a hail of bullets, savour what's left of your limited tenure on this site.

YFlyer · 15-11-2020 12:14PM

votecounts wrote: »

Its always been 1030 afaik

Thanks. Thought it was 10 am.

stephenjmcd · 15-11-2020 12:22PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. There is no 'clearly', nor 'need', about pubs being open. Your statement is unjustifiable.

While a political call in the end, I speculate, but with confidence, that most would agree, that those working in them must be supported by the rest of the economy, the public house sector is one of the ones with the lowest consequences from being shut down.

They are the end of a supply chain. Supplying a non-essential product, however much people might enjoy what it offers. Socialising, and beverages, are perfectly possible without them. And while recognising that many establishments both made great efforts to be as safe as possible, and complied with all recommendations on good practice for corona propagation mitigation, they are nevertheless, of their nature, a locus of person to person contact.

Considering the risks and benefits, there is no question that a period of extended opening of them is unwise.

I am advocating strongly however, and will not let up in my push for this proposal, that restrictions on society and socialising be reduced dramatically. Almost to normal, levels, for a very limited number of days during the festive period. As long as this is very time limited, if the data at the beginning of December confirms that the short term outlook is positive, then this can be facilitated. And would include pub openings, with restrictions, for some days, or roughly a week in total. This would be a tolerable risk. If publicans deem this not economic, then they are likely correct, and can choose not to open. The loss to general society, will be minimal. The priority is to enable family get togethers, within reason, in private settings.

Advocating where exactly? On this thread ?

If you were verified as someone of having influence much like the HSE consultant thread a few months ago then we could actually constructively engage in discussion which would be most welcome but at the moment your just portraying influence which is why the post is questionable in my opinion

YFlyer · 15-11-2020 02:37PM

My friend was in Lidl on Saturday. They would not serve him alcohol till 12 pm. Is this a recent ruling?

never_mind · 15-11-2020 02:42PM

YFlyer wrote: »

My friend was in Lidl on Saturday. They would not serve him alcohol till 12 pm. Is this a recent ruling?

No.

Whitters22 · 15-11-2020 02:52PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. There is no 'clearly', nor 'need', about pubs being open. Your statement is unjustifiable.

While a political call in the end, I speculate, but with confidence, that most would agree, that those working in them must be supported by the rest of the economy, the public house sector is one of the ones with the lowest consequences from being shut down.

They are the end of a supply chain. Supplying a non-essential product, however much people might enjoy what it offers. Socialising, and beverages, are perfectly possible without them. And while recognising that many establishments both made great efforts to be as safe as possible, and complied with all recommendations on good practice for corona propagation mitigation, they are nevertheless, of their nature, a locus of person to person contact.

Considering the risks and benefits, there is no question that a period of extended opening of them is unwise.

I am advocating strongly however, and will not let up in my push for this proposal, that restrictions on society and socialising be reduced dramatically. Almost to normal, levels, for a very limited number of days during the festive period. As long as this is very time limited, if the data at the beginning of December confirms that the short term outlook is positive, then this can be facilitated. And would include pub openings, with restrictions, for some days, or roughly a week in total. This would be a tolerable risk. If publicans deem this not economic, then they are likely correct, and can choose not to open. The loss to general society, will be minimal. The priority is to enable family get togethers, within reason, in private settings.

Your incessant use of commas does not make your points any more valid believe it or not.

FrStone · 15-11-2020 07:20PM

vojiwox wrote: »

My different circles don't do house parties. So it's definitely working for some of the population. I can attest to that. And the cases are going in the right direction. Happy days.

I think looking at last nights scenes in Dublin & Cork it is clear that a significant chunk of the population are going to make up their own minds and socialise anyway. We only saw what happened in public, so many people visiting friends houses for a few drinks.

Let's open the pubs so it can be done in a safe and controlled environment.

vojiwox · 15-11-2020 07:45PM

FrStone wrote: »

I think looking at last nights scenes in Dublin & Cork it is clear that a significant chunk of the population are going to make up their own minds and socialise anyway. We only saw what happened in public, so many people visiting friends houses for a few drinks.

Let's open the pubs so it can be done in a safe and controlled environment.

I think we should stick to using the numbers as opposed to videos of scenes on twitter.

But yes let's open these pubs for creamy Christmas pints!!

ShyMets · 15-11-2020 08:31PM

When I was leaving my Father's today I bumped into his next door neighbour who is a bar manager for a well know pub in Dublin City centre.

We chatted briefly and I mentioned opening for two weeks. He said not a chance. He explained that with the costs involved in opening and then shutting in such a short period of time he would at best break even and more then likely lose money.

He would open for the full month of December if allowed but would need at least a weeks notice to be ready for the 1st week in December. As of yet they've had no indication either way

Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

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