Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

Spanish Eyes

Mine are in Kildare and Wicklow. They will more than likely come to Dublin to us, and they will. Not all together I reckon but hopefully after all this time we can see each other face to face again. It is not that important that it is Christmas Day, we two old codgers will survive that manufactured pile of hankies, but would be great anytime around then..

We shall see.

Spanish Eyes

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Yes, exactly. Something like that. My point is just to not let yourself get sucked into the "we hope to move to level 3 in December" narrative as it is not sufficient to enable wet pubs opening, indoor dining in restaurants, travel outside your county and gatherings in households with more than 1 other person.

No worries, that is all I want....some human interraction with loved ones. I don't care about pubs or restaurants anymore now TBH.

Suckit

They are obviously planning on somehow loosening restrictions. I think pubs are the main worry for them.
They have spoken today about lessening the two week quarantine for people that fly into the country. If you can produce a negative test result within 5 days, you won't have to quarantine for the 14 days.
That is step one of the Christmas restrictions no doubt. But I wouldn't be optimistic for the pubs opening. Maybe hotels and/or limited restaurants somehow. Too many pubs took the piss when they were allowed to open, which is a shame for the other pubs, as now they are not really seen as being able to be trusted.
There are too many factors without having to watch the publicans themselves. If they could find a way to open the restaurants without it having to include a 'restaurant licence', then they would do that.

dotsman

vojiwox wrote: »

Here's a good example of it spreading in pubs/restaurants

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/how-one-couple-s-weekend-away-resulted-in-30-covid-19-cases-1.4368824

vojiwox wrote: »

Here's some more cases traced to pubs/restaurants in Cork alone.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-seventy-cases-in-cork-traced-to-local-pubs-and-restaurants-in-recent-weeks-1.4366678

Em, both those articles show how house parties are far worse than pubs.

Suckit

dotsman wrote: »

Em, both those articles show how house parties are far worse than pubs.

Both are examples of spreading. Both are currently not allowed.

dobman88

Open up the pubs ffs. It's been long enough. Anyone that doesnt want to go, doesn't have to.

weldoninhio

Suckit wrote: »

They are obviously planning on somehow loosening restrictions. I think pubs are the main worry for them.
They have spoken today about lessening the two week quarantine for people that fly into the country. If you can produce a negative test result within 5 days, you won't have to quarantine for the 14 days.
That is step one of the Christmas restrictions no doubt. But I wouldn't be optimistic for the pubs opening. Maybe hotels and/or limited restaurants somehow. Too many pubs took the piss when they were allowed to open, which is a shame for the other pubs, as now they are not really seen as being able to be trusted.
There are too many factors without having to watch the publicans themselves. If they could find a way to open the restaurants without it having to include a 'restaurant licence', then they would do that.

You don’t have to quarantine for 14 days and never have, the govt admitted as much in the high court.

vojiwox

dotsman wrote: »

Em, both those articles show how house parties are far worse than pubs.

This is the pub thread though and people asked for proof that pubs cause cases.

vojiwox

vojiwox wrote: »

This is the pub thread though and people asked for proof that pubs cause cases.

There was fcuk all cases from pubs when they were reopened. I was in 2 of my locals when they were opened and they were well organised. No acting the bollox in any of them

Suckit

weldoninhio wrote: »

You don’t have to quarantine for 14 days and never have, the govt admitted as much in the high court.

You don't have to do anything,

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/returning_to_ireland/returning_to_Ireland_and_covid.html

If you are travelling to Ireland from a region that is ‘green’, you do not have to restrict your movements. If the region is ‘orange’, you do not have to restrict your movement if you can show that you had a negative PCR test in the 3 days before you travelled to Ireland. If the region is ‘red’ or ‘grey’, you must restrict your movements for 14 days.

You will no longer be required to do that with the new restrictions coming.

vojiwox

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was fcuk all cases from pubs when they were reopened. I was in 2 of my locals when they were opened and they were well organised. No acting the bollox in any of them

2? Well I'm convinced! Open the Pubs!

:pac:

vojiwox

vojiwox wrote: »

2? Well I'm convinced! Open the Pubs!

:pac:

You know well that there was fcuk all cases relating to pubs. Your another one of these muppets that dont want to see the pubs reopen

emo72

So it's in the paper that government departments are monitoring social media and message boards ( hi lads!)

OPEN THE PUBS. I can't stand spending all my time on boards.ie, it's a depressing place full of government stooges. And seriously Tony Houlihan comes across as a bootboy. Tell him to tone down the misery, it's as if he enjoys it too much. And I won't forget what he did to cervical check. The absolute bollix. All to save a few bob. People thought that guy was a hero? A savior? Some People are stupid.

MelbourneMan

emo72 wrote: »

So it's in the paper that government departments are monitoring social media and message boards ( hi lads!)

OPEN THE PUBS. I can't stand spending all my time on boards.ie, it's a depressing place full of government stooges. And seriously Tony Houlihan comes across as a bootboy. Tell him to tone down the misery, it's as if he enjoys it too much. And I won't forget what he did to cervical check. The absolute bollix. All to save a few bob. People thought that guy was a hero? A savior? Some People are stupid.

Hello. I think for fair balance it is worth observing that there are many many people who would take a very different view to the one you express here, and that there is a certain amount of irrational anger in your viewpoint that would not really be justified in an objective judgement.

Gael23

Don’t think pubs will ever open as long as Holohan has influence

emo72

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I think for fair balance it is worth observing that there are many many people who would take a very different view to the one you express here, and that there is a certain amount of irrational anger in your viewpoint that would not really be justified in an objective judgement.

Yeah... Well..... That's just like your opinion man.

AssetBacked2

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I think for fair balance it is worth observing that there are many many people who would take a very different view to the one you express here, and that there is a certain amount of irrational anger in your viewpoint that would not really be justified in an objective judgement.

If likely cases of covid are up to ten times what official numbers suggest (which wouldn't be unreasonable given our delayed mass testing and lack of anti-body testing), the death rate for covid is about 1 in 10,000 per annum for those under the age of 45 or 0.01%.

What is irrational is locking down society and the economy for something as relatively unharmful as covid.

MOH

vojiwox wrote: »

I showed you the results from the contact tracing. You just don't want to believe it. Which is fine, maybe you are someway invested in the industry and it is a tough situation on people in the industry. I can't imagine what it must be like, especially coming into holiday season.

But unfortunately the laws of physics do not stop working when you sit around a table in a pub and the virus will spread there as has been shown. It's why the pubs take your name going in because even the pubs know the virus will spread in them to other tables.

vojiwox wrote: »

I mean in the case study shown. It spread through the community via the pub/restaurants. At least we can agree on that

Doesn't matter when you're sitting at the same table as different households. The pubs couldn't manage that, I blame the people not the pubs.

vojiwox wrote: »

But you had people from different households sitting around pub tables. No social distancing.

I don't blame the pubs, they couldn't enforce it, but their customers didn't help the cause on this one. Unfortunately as I loved having them open. But it was inevitable.

vojiwox wrote: »

Well fair enough, other pubs ruined it for your pub then. And that I do have sympathy for.

And yet, despite your desire to blame everything on pubs, the actually data shows you're talking a load of nonsense.

The weekly HSE cluster report showed that there more clusters attributed to schools last week alone than there were for pubs during the entire pandemic to date.

But don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

MelbourneMan

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I think for fair balance it is worth observing that there are many many people who would take a very different view to the one you express here, and that there is a certain amount of irrational anger in your viewpoint that would not really be justified in an objective judgement.

Greetings and salutations. Isn't that a marvellous concept: the notion that someone could hold an opinion contrary to your own. As much as it pains you to accept it. Your attempts to govern the narrative with technocratic waffle only undermines your cause further. I won't possess the slightest bit of guilt supping on my porter when December finally greets us, and there's not the faintest thing you can do about it.

vojiwox

MOH wrote: »

And yet, despite your desire to blame everything on pubs, the actually data shows you're talking a load of nonsense.

The weekly HSE cluster report showed that there more clusters attributed to schools last week alone than there were for pubs during the entire pandemic to date.

But don't let facts get in the way of your opinions.

I didn't blame everything on pubs :rolleyes:

This is the pub thread. People are saying that there is no proof that of cases coming from pubs.

I am happy to talk about schools but it would be off topic here I feel

vojiwox

Deleted User wrote: »

I won't possess the slightest bit of guilt supping on my porter when December finally greets us, and there's not the faintest thing you can do about it.

It's hard to picture December without a few pints of porter.

Was there some indication that the government are planning for some kind of pinting?

Even outdoors will do me! They opened them down my way for a while and it was great and even when they shut down to 15 only outside it was still perfect in a couple of places with heaters etc. Although the 15 was too restrictive to places with plenty of seats outside, they were constantly turning people away in one of my locals, which was frustrating for all involved.

SB71

St.Spodo wrote: »

People living in Dublin haven't been allowed to leave the county since 19 September. It would be scandalous if they were then told they can't go and visit their families at Christmas, but it won't happen.

not a fcuking chance im staying in my own county, this is like a dictatorship, people just wont listen this time.

SB71

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I certainly don’t want pubs closed indefinitely, I wish they weren’t closed at all but I just see it as a necessity at the moment. But even read back here, it’s all full of defiance of breaking the rules in pubs and laughing about lock ins or fake menus, etc. Then the same flowers are up in arms and can’t understand why they couldn’t stay open. Can’t have it every way.

theres no way your someones who goes to the pub, i havent come across a single person with an attitude like yours, you sound as if you should be part of the NPHET team.

SB71

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Public health specialists are well aware of the damage alcohol does, and likely have very good stats about the reduced A&E volumes due to pubs being closed.

They're no different from any other interest group in wanting to use the opportunity to further their cause.

ah rigt ok so this is about A & E now and not covid-19.

i assume your aware of the damage constant lockdowns does, far far worse than alcohol or indeed coronavirus will ever be,anyone who doesnt think we should go to level 2 is deluded, theres not a shrted of justifaction to suggest otherwise.

Grueller Baby

SB71 wrote: »

not a fcuking chance im staying in my own county, this is like a dictatorship, people just wont listen this time.

+1 I've got a few days away planned to see the family in early December. I'll be going ahead and driving the 2.5 hours there and there's nobody will be telling me any different.

SB71

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I think for fair balance it is worth observing that there are many many people who would take a very different view to the one you express here, and that there is a certain amount of irrational anger in your viewpoint that would not really be justified in an objective judgement.

i think you'll find that the vast majority of people want an return to level 2, unless of course your fine with more businesss closing and job losses and with that comes depression and all sorts of misery, the knock on effect will be felt for years to come.

christ almightly ive never in my entire life seen a government so spineless, terrified to make any decisions themselves, they have presided over one disaster after another, if there wasnt a pandemic on they wouldnt have even lasted this long, and whenever the next election is they'll be decimated.

vojiwox

SB71 wrote: »

not a fcuking chance im staying in my own county, this is like a dictatorship, people just wont listen this time.

Grueller Baby wrote: »

+1 I've got a few days away planned to see the family in early December. I'll be going ahead and driving the 2.5 hours there and there's nobody will be telling me any different.

SB71

vojiwox wrote: »

thank you for your intelligent response, it's certainly one to ponder over , thought provoking and very articulate.

:rolleyes:

McCrack

emo72 wrote: »

So it's in the paper that government departments are monitoring social media and message boards ( hi lads!)

OPEN THE PUBS. I can't stand spending all my time on boards.ie, it's a depressing place full of government stooges. And seriously Tony Houlihan comes across as a bootboy. Tell him to tone down the misery, it's as if he enjoys it too much. And I won't forget what he did to cervical check. The absolute bollix. All to save a few bob. People thought that guy was a hero? A savior? Some People are stupid.

Tony Houlihan had nothing to do with cervical check and the subsequent litigation that arose from misreading slides

Hamsterchops

What's a take out?

Heard it on the RTE news tonight, just the tail end of a report, something to do with levels 1,2 and 3, then you can take out

Take your pint outside or what?