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patsy_mccabe · 03-11-2020 09:59AM

josephsoap wrote: »

It’s still plenty to be giving for them.

That was only average. I saw some go over 3000. Big heavy char types over 800kg. Land must be very dry around there.

Dozer1 · 03-11-2020 05:33PM

first time selling in Ennis today mixed bag really I'd em too late in the sale, heavy ones did poorly lighter ones better all CH from stock bull, averaged 812 never saw a nut, but were weaned and vaccinated as per BEEP-S, should have moved em sooner but shed delaying everything.
all out of stock bull born Feb to March

Weight Price
360 840 Grey
380 810
350 850
415 860
375 830 Grey
340 830
320 800
275 720
305 770

ruwithme · 04-11-2020 10:00PM

May have been mentioned here earlier in the thread or other,but on lsl app you can zoom on the camera for the cattle rings. I didn't know this till today.

I don't think this feature is available on marteye app??

richie123 · 04-11-2020 10:24PM

ruwithme wrote: »

May have been mentioned here earlier in the thread or other,but on lsl app you can zoom on the camera for the cattle rings. I didn't know this till today.

I don't think this feature is available on marteye app??

Diddnt realize that must be a new feature ?
When are they going to put in extra cameras to flick between?? Badly needed !

Bleating Lamb · 06-11-2020 01:28PM

As a previous poster has said surely a bit of pressure should be put on all the marts nationwide that are operating online sales to have at least two camera views of animals in the ring.I am not a 'techie' type but can't imagine it would cost a whole pile more to add a second camera view and run it on the system.
Have closed circuit security cameras set up at home on farmyard which includes 2 camera angles within lambing shed and full set up by Electrical firm for all equipment was around 1500 euro.....that's pennies to any well run mart.

In a lot of Marts because of where the camera is positioned you only really see the front of Cattle coming into the ring and only get a brief look at them running out of the ring....leaves it very hard watching it online to try and judge the animals good or bad points iykwim.

Has anyone else found some Marts camera angles far from ideal when trying to judge stock accurately?

Surely the I.F.A. and other farm movements and even the Dept should encourage the Marts to up their game which will benefit both farmers buying and selling stock as they will know what they are looking at accurately.

Part Time Farmers do not have the time to head into view animals on the morning of sales ,especially weekday Marts (if the mart even allows it)…..so are depending on the roughly 45 second view of the animal they get from once it enters the ring to have to judge the animal and decide whether it would suit their system and then start bidding on any suitable lots.

Apologies on long post:)

Would be interested in peoples thoughts on this.

patsy_mccabe · 06-11-2020 04:55PM

Martin O'Connor sale is on tonight;

https://twitter.com/irishlimousin/status/1324697360337981440

josephsoap · 06-11-2020 06:05PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Martin O'Connor sale is on tonight;

https://twitter.com/irishlimousin/status/1324697360337981440

You will need deep pockets ðŸ˜…

richie123 · 06-11-2020 07:53PM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

As a previous poster has said surely a bit of pressure should be put on all the marts nationwide that are operating online sales to have at least two camera views of animals in the ring.I am not a 'techie' type but can't imagine it would cost a whole pile more to add a second camera view and run it on the system.
Have closed circuit security cameras set up at home on farmyard which includes 2 camera angles within lambing shed and full set up by Electrical firm for all equipment was around 1500 euro.....that's pennies to any well run mart.

In a lot of Marts because of where the camera is positioned you only really see the front of Cattle coming into the ring and only get a brief look at them running out of the ring....leaves it very hard watching it online to try and judge the animals good or bad points iykwim.

Has anyone else found some Marts camera angles far from ideal when trying to judge stock accurately?

Surely the I.F.A. and other farm movements and even the Dept should encourage the Marts to up their game which will benefit both farmers buying and selling stock as they will know what they are looking at accurately.

Part Time Farmers do not have the time to head into view animals on the morning of sales ,especially weekday Marts (if the mart even allows it)…..so are depending on the roughly 45 second view of the animal they get from once it enters the ring to have to judge the animal and decide whether it would suit their system and then start bidding on any suitable lots.

Apologies on long post:)

Would be interested in peoples thoughts on this.

A camera on the weighing scales too would be welcome.
There's a serious amount of improvement s to be made on the online apps.
Not all marts put up lots online ..for sheep especially.mart eye don't provide any list of animals to look at presale to gauge type and numbers.
The bid button on lsl dissapears down a frame when u bid on a laptop.fair annoying to have to scroll up and down to view and bid at the same time !!!just put the bid button beside the video for God's sakes

rant over.

grassroot1 · 06-11-2020 08:03PM

They would want to have the bidders names showing up too, was watching Carnew the other night and a bunch of incalf cows used to shoot up to 1300 and almost stop at that figure. wasnt a genuine farmer bidding anyway far too ready to spend money!!!

patsy_mccabe · 06-11-2020 08:08PM

grassroot1 wrote: »

They would want to have the bidders names showing up too, was watching Carnew the other night and a bunch of incalf cows used to shoot up to 1300 and almost stop at that figure. wasnt a genuine farmer bidding anyway far too ready to spend money!!!

It was going on at the Limousin Society Sale on Monday too. I've gone to enough sales to know which bulls would be sold or not on the last bid.

Base price · 06-11-2020 08:15PM

grassroot1 wrote: »

They would want to have the bidders names showing up too, was watching Carnew the other night and a bunch of incalf cows used to shoot up to 1300 and almost stop at that figure. wasnt a genuine farmer bidding anyway far too ready to spend money!!!

I don't agree with showing the bidders name. In a crowded mart you don't know who is bidding against you unless your standing beside the auctioneer and even at that you wouldn't know their name.
Most people know the value of stock/how much they are going to pay and should know to stop bidding when they reach that point.

charolais0153 · 06-11-2020 08:52PM

josephsoap wrote: »

You will need deep pockets ðŸ˜…

6200 top so far

charolais0153 · 06-11-2020 08:53PM

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

As a previous poster has said surely a bit of pressure should be put on all the marts nationwide that are operating online sales to have at least two camera views of animals in the ring.I am not a 'techie' type but can't imagine it would cost a whole pile more to add a second camera view and run it on the system.
Have closed circuit security cameras set up at home on farmyard which includes 2 camera angles within lambing shed and full set up by Electrical firm for all equipment was around 1500 euro.....that's pennies to any well run mart.

In a lot of Marts because of where the camera is positioned you only really see the front of Cattle coming into the ring and only get a brief look at them running out of the ring....leaves it very hard watching it online to try and judge the animals good or bad points iykwim.

Has anyone else found some Marts camera angles far from ideal when trying to judge stock accurately?

Surely the I.F.A. and other farm movements and even the Dept should encourage the Marts to up their game which will benefit both farmers buying and selling stock as they will know what they are looking at accurately.

Part Time Farmers do not have the time to head into view animals on the morning of sales ,especially weekday Marts (if the mart even allows it)…..so are depending on the roughly 45 second view of the animal they get from once it enters the ring to have to judge the animal and decide whether it would suit their system and then start bidding on any suitable lots.

Apologies on long post:)

Would be interested in peoples thoughts on this.

How did u buy cattle before if you don't have time to spend 20 mins at mart whereas you used spend half the day

grassroot1 · 06-11-2020 09:00PM

Base price wrote: »

I don't agree with showing the bidders name. In a crowded mart you don't know who is bidding against you unless your standing beside the auctioneer and even at that you wouldn't know their name.
Most people know the value of stock/how much they are going to pay and should know to stop bidding when they reach that point.

Except someone was putting a floor under those cows running them to a price and stopping. I have no problem bidding against another purchaser but bidding against the seller is another kettle of fish. Initals would do, if the same bidders were competing on every lot at least you could see a pattern.

Niallers87 · 06-11-2020 09:25PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

6200 top so far

Make that 9000

patsy_mccabe · 06-11-2020 09:27PM

€9000 for Martin.

Bass Reeves · 06-11-2020 09:32PM

grassroot1 wrote: »

Except someone was putting a floor under those cows running them to a price and stopping. I have no problem bidding against another purchaser but bidding against the seller is another kettle of fish. Initals would do, if the same bidders were competing on every lot at least you could see a pattern.

Initials would be enough to identify whether the ''buyer'' is a regular or a distance away and squeezing these buyers out like happened at marts up to this would continue.

At the end of the day lads have to be prepared to let cattle behind them. I think short term cattle have gone to the stage where there is few cheap bargains. Any better quality cattle are similar however there is still value out there. If thes Suckler cows were Continental type it may be a lad planning on calving and splitting them. If it was owners pushing them it a matter of letting them there.

There is not a hope in hell of bidders being identified. That would definitely be a GDPR issue. It's online even a mart manager or staff identifying them after would be open for data protection breach. Do forget about that one.

Mac Taylor · 06-11-2020 09:40PM

What crosses are they getting the roan cattle out of? Lm out of a shorthorn? Thanks

Robson99 · 06-11-2020 09:40PM

I only buy in the Marts but I don't see a problem with a man selling pushing the price if his animals or a good Auctioneer getting the most he can for the seller. There is no obligation on anyone to buy them. If a buyer is silly enough to give too much for them then his tough **** even if he has been taken for a ride

Who2 · 06-11-2020 10:16PM

Mac Taylor wrote: »

What crosses are they getting the roan cattle out of? Lm out of a shorthorn? Thanks

Mainly lmx out of blue cows or blue bulls like sfl that carry the red gene crossed onto a red cow. you will get the odd nice roan out of a shorthorn but they will rarely have the power required to produce whats needed for the big prices.

ruwithme · 06-11-2020 10:22PM

Robson99 wrote: »

I only buy in the Marts but I don't see a problem with a man selling pushing the price if his animals or a good Auctioneer getting the most he can for the seller. There is no obligation on anyone to buy them. If a buyer is silly enough to give too much for them then his tough **** even if he has been taken for a ride

The other side of that is no obligation on anyone to sell them. If unsure,stay out of the sellers box and sell them subject. If their good stock and selling at the right time,they will sell themselves without any owners help at that time

Robson99 · 06-11-2020 10:47PM

ruwithme wrote: »

The other side of that is no obligation on anyone to sell them. If unsure,stay out of the sellers box and sell them subject. If their good stock and selling at the right time,they will sell themselves without any owners help at that time

True but isn't the name of the game to maximise you're sale price. Am I wrong go price one factory of the other when I am killing them or should I just take what I am given ?

Bass Reeves · 06-11-2020 10:50PM

Robson99 wrote: »

I only buy in the Marts but I don't see a problem with a man selling pushing the price if his animals or a good Auctioneer getting the most he can for the seller. There is no obligation on anyone to buy them. If a buyer is silly enough to give too much for them then his tough **** even if he has been taken for a ride

I can never under stand this attitude of going picking out specific lots to bid on. I was at the mart in early October last year. These cattle came in, were they badly done. There was six AA bulls weighting 300 ish kgs they actually looked like JEX's I bought them for less than 500 into my own yard, a single good bull in the rushes a while 400kgs 600 euro, an AA and a beltie cost 570 as well as a couple of HEx @ 660 and a Friesian @ 700. The lad that bough them home for me was wondering why I did not buy decent cattle.

Three of the AA's have gone over age, there is still one left underage, three went this week and one two weeks ago averaging 1300 each, the friesian made 1230 euro in July, the beltie made 1050, the two HEX avergaed over 1350 each. The bull from the rushes is still under age expect him to hit above 1350. two of the overage AA should hit 1150-1200 each. The last overage fella has a split in the hoof but will finish at some stage, he surely hit 950-1K

Too many fella want to buy short term cattle. That was the best twist I ever made on cattle. They get bulled too easy. On any bunch of them cattle I was gone in another 30-50 euro/ head. I knew it was a risk buying them, one of the real poor fellas could have gone toes up. The first few days after I bough them home I had to get the vet to squeeze some of them and do the hooves on 4 of the AA that had limps.

50HX · 06-11-2020 10:51PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

€9000 for Martin.

Four owners at that age and in his herd nearly a year.....that normal??

Bass Reeves · 06-11-2020 10:53PM

ruwithme wrote: »

The other side of that is no obligation on anyone to sell them. If unsure,stay out of the sellers box and sell them subject. If their good stock and selling at the right time,they will sell themselves without any owners help at that time

Up until online cattle sold subject were often 100-200 less than the general trade any time I was at the mart....unless I or some farmer like me went bidding on them.

patsy_mccabe · 06-11-2020 11:08PM

50HX wrote: »

Four owners at that age and in his herd nearly a year.....that normal??

I dunno what's normal anymore. How are commercial heifers now making over €5000? The prize money, and that's if they win is only in the €100s.
As for roan cattle .........what's all that about?

Sheep breeder · 06-11-2020 11:09PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I can never under stand this attitude of going picking out specific lots to bid on. I was at the mart in early October last year. These cattle came in, were they badly done. There was six AA bulls weighting 300 ish kgs they actually looked like JEX's I bought them for less than 500 into my own yard, a single good bull in the rushes a while 400kgs 600 euro, an AA and a beltie cost 570 as well as a couple of HEx @ 660 and a Friesian @ 700. The lad that bough them home for me was wondering why I did not buy decent cattle.

Three of the AA's have gone over age, there is still one left underage, three went this week and one two weeks ago averaging 1300 each, the friesian made 1230 euro in July, the beltie made 1050, the two HEX avergaed over 1350 each. The bull from the rushes is still under age expect him to hit above 1350. two of the overage AA should hit 1150-1200 each. The last overage fella has a split in the hoof but will finish at some stage, he surely hit 950-1K

Too many fella want to buy short term cattle. That was the best twist I ever made on cattle. They get bulled too easy. On any bunch of them cattle I was gone in another 30-50 euro/ head. I knew it was a risk buying them, one of the real poor fellas could have gone toes up. The first few days after I bough them home I had to get the vet to squeeze some of them and do the hooves on 4 of the AA that had limps.

Your first line in your post, when I go to buy cattle in the mart I go through the pens and pick the cattle that suits our job when buying heifers and bid to a price and either get them or not. Everybody buys what they require and won’t buy what doesn’t suit the system. What looks value is not always value.

charolais0153 · 06-11-2020 11:18PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I dunno what's normal anymore. How are commercial heifers now making over €5000? The prize money, and that's if they win is only in the €100s.
As for roan cattle .........what's all that about?

They'll be worth 2k as culls probably, if they have a heifer calf, you should get 1400 or that handy, all in hope for tbe right good one I spose

charolais0153 · 06-11-2020 11:20PM

50HX wrote: »

Four owners at that age and in his herd nearly a year.....that normal??

Well shed have to be in his herd that long to be put In calf etc, don't see how the 4 owners makes a difference

Bass Reeves · 06-11-2020 11:21PM

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Your first line in your post, when I go to buy cattle in the mart I go through the pens and pick the cattle that suits our job when buying heifers and bid to a price and either get them or not. Everybody buys what they require and won’t buy what doesn’t suit the system. What looks value is not always value.

No but an animal that costs a hundred euro more has to kill 25 kgs heavier than the one 100 euro cheaper. 200 euro is nothing when buying cattle. I notice when you move below 400 kgs in stores there is way less competition when buying.
Mixed bunches of cattle that finish at different stages often have few bidders, an ould rig in the bunch put many off. Friesian heifers not fit for breeding will often have no bidders, a bunch with one or two cattle that will go over 36 months.

By limiting your selection you limit your profit.

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