Cass wrote: »

So Biden basically has it. Congratulations President-elect Biden.

In a way its a good thing. Watching tv, listening to radio or reading the papers and having story after story about Trump was tiring. Of course there are some issues that'll need to be ironed out now Biden is President elect (well he is, bar the official announcement).

It means an end to any current or future investigation into him, his Son, Obama, Clinton, etc, etc.

So be it. Didn't seem like it was going to happen anyway.

The fun part is, and i said this before, now he has won is he must be able to speak to people regularly, work 20 hour days, meet international leaders and make the same trade and peace deals previous Presidents have done. No more calling a lid after 4 hours and hiding in his basement for 3 to 5 days.

Then there are the election promises such as medicare for all, open borders, health care for illegals not to mention tax hikes across the board, plus his attack on Fracking, 2nd amendment, and his promise to fund the green new deal to the tune of 2 trillion.

The big one will of course be the Chinese virus. He said he has a plan to effectively combat it so now he must deliver on that, not to mention the promises made to ethnic and racial groups during his campaign.

Of course none of this will be his problem in 12 to 18 months because i'm taking bets that is the max he'll serve before Harris takes the reigns. You think Nancy Pelosi was researching how to use the 25th amendment JUST for Trump!.

Its going to be an interesting 4 years. I'm actually looking forward to it.

Sarcastically meant I hope. It is now going to be a lame-duck presidency tainted non stop with vote-rigging accusations. Like the China/Russia interference I mean C'mon Man! 193-year-old dead people voting, ballots being "found" claimed as postal votes,but all for Biden??? "sharpie gate" accusations in AZ? And now with the blockchain ballots?
This isnt over by a long shot yet.

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

The man can barely read a teleprompter or give a speech without jumbling up his words or forgetting where he is, so I honestly don't think he would be able to co-ordinate such wide scale fraud. Also just from some disctricts reporting over 100% turn out rate, it's fairly clear that this is a decentralized campaign of fraud which would rule out Biden as being the mastermind behind it.

I'm not saying Biden rigged anything but you don't think he'd have people who could do that? Maybe even without his knowledge? I'd say Biden couldn't co-ordinate wiping his ar5e and Trump is equally bad or worse - but they know people, that's all I'm saying.

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

. Ultimately a victory for Biden will see Kamala Harris become president in a matter of month as Biden is a literal senile old man, so it'll be interesting how that pans out. Also let's not forget about threats to the second amendment if Biden is elected, AR-15s may be on the chopping block! Or whether Biden will try and stack the Supreme Court, mar a deir an seanfhocal, is maith an scéalaí an aimsir!

It would actually be ANY firearm that could be prohibited under the very loose interpretations of that act, not just AR15s. Thing is if the Republicans hold the Senate, it's still good,as a bill like that won't happen. Remember Sandy Hook? Obama tried this by executive order but didn't have the numbers in both houses to pass it. He'd need overwhelming majorities in both houses to have a clear run to do this. Then it is going to hit the supreme court, and packing that is NOT a good idea,it has been done once before under Wilson I belive,and it was a disaster too, nothing got done at all.

Next problem will be getting anyone to comply with it. After all the mag bans and "assault rifle" hand-ins in places like Upstate NY and Conn were exactly...Err .. zero per cent..
Not saying it couldn't happen ,but it would be a very serious issue to mishandle by trying a" 4AM no knock warrant on an entire neighbourhood" approach without some serious kickback, of the very loud Oklahoma Federal building type.
Plus how many defunded police depts and police having to deal with screaming BLM/ANTIFA animals are actually going to carry out any such order? Sheriffs all over the place have said they will not comply or just deputise everyone in their county to LE personnel.Not to mind the majority of police depts have come out in favour of Trump,along with the military...Another reason these figures do not add in AZ.The whole place is a giant US airforce base,and has thousands of military personel all over it.

The test will be ,and I wont take a bet on a sure thing.But this black Friday will see record gun and ammo sales[if available] sales again that will surpass Obamas anti-gun regin.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The test will be ,and I wont take a bet on a sure thing.But this black Friday will see record gun and ammo sales[if available] sales again that will surpass Obamas anti-gun regin.

I'd say you are indeed correct. The only thing that might keep the numbers down is the fact that many gun shops are cleaned out as it is.

Trump’s credibility is a big issue here, even if there are genuine suspicions of some shady shenanigans he’s after shooting his load too many times, like the boy who cried wolf.

In his own words, “fake news”,

Could then anyone care to explain then.The refusal to let Trump election monitors into the Polling stations in Penn to monitor the vote count and the fact the Republicans needed to go to court to allow this basic function of elections?
The mail in ballots and allowing them past the cutoff of Nov 3rd is contentious.if you know that there is a cutoff point that your paperwork HAS to be someplace before a certain date.You know then it has to be sent early to get there,otherwise it is null& void.You cant tell me that X 100k's worth of Penn citizens were that daft as to not know this?

Also, explain then the three or four people in Maricopa AZ who have gone on witness Re the "sharpie gate" affair to claim their ballots were discarded off the machines as being illegible to read, and being refused a fresh ballot sheet if this was a problem? I'm particularly interested in this one, as I could, and did vote in Maricopa County by a postal vote[but didn't use a sharpie to mark.:)]

Yet,I haven't lived there for 25 years, and it was my 1st time voting there with nothing more than my State ID and proof of my address, by postal vote... Lads,we have better vote security here in Ireland than that!:rolleyes:

Not to mind this odd thing by Fox news in calling AZ blue well before the counts were finished, and still refusing to change the stance?As well as delaying calling FL and TX?

Wisconsin coming out with 89% of the state voting?Something it has never done before?

As for proof of all this...Maybe they are keeping it under wraps until this does end up in court? Personally,I think it would be best the Supreme court nullifies this election and it is done again. But this time with mandatory Voter ID or voting in person in your embassy if abroad or by military unit overseas.As this WILL be a making of a lame-duck presidency, and leave both of them open to accusations of stealing the election.

Can't believe that America managed to get two nations of Iraq and Afghanistan to vote with a democratic process totally alien to them, can make such a shambles of their own election.:mad:

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Could then anyone care to explain then.The refusal to let Trump election monitors into the Polling stations in Penn to monitor the vote count and the fact the Republicans needed to go to court to allow this basic function of elections?

They went to court, they didn't need to go to court. The judge threw the complaint out and confirm they were already treated fairly and allowed to observe.

A Trump campaign lawyer admitted before a federal judge on Thursday that observers for the campaign were allowed to watch ballot canvassing in Philadelphia, after they claimed in court and the President's supporters alleged they were being deprived unfairly.

But the federal judge was having none of it, instead asking Philadelphia city officials to confirm Democrats and Republicans were being treated fairly to watch the ballot-counting and that they were allowed to watch the ballot counting in the city from six feet away.

When the judge pressed the Trump campaign lawyer if there were observers in the room from the campaign, the lawyer, Jerome Marcus, said, "There's a non-zero number of people in the room."

A non-zero amount of people is a new one to me.

The mail in ballots and allowing them past the cutoff of Nov 3rd is contentious.if you know that there is a cutoff point that your paperwork HAS to be someplace before a certain date.You know then it has to be sent early to get there,otherwise it is null& void.You cant tell me that X 100k's worth of Penn citizens were that daft as to not know this?

The cut off date is the cut off date. However some states, all votes to count as long as they are received by a certain date. If that date is after Nov 3rd then votes are valid. As long as that was the law prior to the election.

Changing the date after the fact is crazy.

Also, explain then the three or four people in Maricopa AZ who have gone on witness Re the "sharpie gate" affair to claim their ballots were discarded off the machines as being illegible to read, and being refused a fresh ballot sheet if this was a problem? I'm particularly interested in this one, as I could, and did vote in Maricopa County by a postal vote[but didn't use a sharpie to mark.:)]

How would they know there vote wasn't read by the machine?
It wouldn't be fed into the counting machine until hours after then filled it out. They wouldn't be standing there to see it. Sounds like one of the fake claims.
Any legitimate dodginess will be lost in the fake nonsense people are clinging to.

Not to mind this odd thing by Fox news in calling AZ blue well before the counts were finished, and still refusing to change the stance?As well as delaying calling FL and TX?

Every single state was called before counting was finished. There's a rush for the media to be first. To appear to be ahead of the others. It has no effect on the outcome of the election.

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QUOTE=Mellor;115210301]They went to court, they didn't need to go to court. The judge threw the complaint out and confirm they were already treated fairly and allowed to observe.

The cut off date is the cut off date. However some states, all votes to count as long as they are received by a certain date. If that date is after Nov 3rd then votes are valid. As long as that was the law prior to the election.

Changing the date after the fact is crazy.

If they were recived by the cutoff date being Nov 3rd, fine. Ship out the early ballots in Feb if you must to make sure they are there by Nov But allowing them to continue to post the election date is ridiculous.

How would they know there vote wasn't read by the machine?
It wouldn't be fed into the counting machine until hours after then filled it out. They wouldn't be standing there to see it. Sounds like one of the fake claims.
Any legitimate dodginess will be lost in the fake nonsense people are clinging to.

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/maricopa-voters-file-lawsuit-over-ballots-rejected-using-sharpies

Every single state was called before counting was finished. There's a rush for the media to be first. To appear to be ahead of the others. It has no effect on the outcome of the election

But no effort made to correct in AZ's case, and strangely they took longer to call Trump winning states but were off the ball to call Biden wins.i watched this whole thing for 10 solid hours on election night. Every media channel, bar strangely CNN was doing this.

Grizzly wrote:

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/maricopa-voters-file-lawsuit-over-ballots-rejected-using-sharpies

They could file a lawsuit and claim the easter bunny turned their callots into easter eggs. A lawsuit means nothing.
At this point sharpiegate seems to be a rumour growing legs that the republican officials have even denied.

And if it was true, would red and blue votes been invalid?

But no effort made to correct in AZ's case, and strangely they took longer to call Trump winning states but were off the ball to call Biden wins.i watched this whole thing for 10 solid hours on election night. Every media channel, bar strangely CNN was doing this.

As they shouldn't have called it as early as they did. But unless Trump closes the gap, they can't uncall it as it sends a message that the state might flip.
It's kinda ironic that it was Fox.

Most media outlets are just repeating the AP calls. There were many states called for Trump early on. Again, these are just calls. They don't affect anyone or the outcome.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Up in Donegal.
https://www.donegaldaily.com/2020/11/07/hunter-with-no-permission-ordered-to-pay-e500-donation-to-ispca/?fbclid=IwAR1pF8b6cZLqNr1nJUSpziAIDA_05TVMu03mUdL3qpO24iU0kPEyJXAOODE

He had to give the landowner (Coillte) 48 hours notice that he was going to shoot there?

No permission I can understand, but what the feck is that 48 hour thing?

yubabill wrote: »

Democrats urge all their voters to vote by mail;

MSM warn of "Red Mirage" on election night;

Hillary tells JB not to concede on election night under any circumstances;

Computer glitches halt counts in several critical swing states on election night, Nevada halts the count early;

Wisconsin finds a computer glitch which turned Trump votes to Biden votes, but corrected it;

Democrat supporters launch a campaign called "Count every Vote".

Now, if only someone had a subroutine or algorithm to flip a small amount of votes, it could be uploaded from a USB disc to the mainframe in count centres when no-one's looking, once they knew how many votes were needed to squeak a win.

A conspiracy theory, of course, so don't mind me.

A computer glich, from the same software was also discovered on one county in Georgia. When spotted and corrected a Republican was elected instead of the original result for a Democrat. The official who spotted the issue said that the software company had uploaded an "update" the night before the election which had never previously happe