Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

tudderone

We all know who the intellectual heavyweight is in this race, Kanye west ! He's is not senile, he is something else.

Mellor

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Plus just as much a draft dodger as any of them.A former lifegaurd and football player gets five deferments from Vietnam...As an asthma sufferer.

Which of the two was that?
I know they both had health excuses and neither served.

But that was standard for all children from wealthy tycoon/political type families.
WW2 produced a string of presidents that ended with Bush Snr.
Since then none served properly. (Bush jr national guard was a lot more saavy than dodged the dradft outright). Obama was a child during vietnam to be fair.

Grizzly 45

Mellor wrote: »

Which of the two was that?
I know they both had health excuses and neither served.

But that was standard for all children from wealthy tycoon/political type families.
WW2 produced a string of presidents that ended with Bush Snr.
Since then none served properly. (Bush jr national guard was a lot more saavy than dodged the dradft outright). Obama was a child during vietnam to be fair.

Biden is the "asthmathic."The only military Trump saw was he was packed off to a military academy for his high school time.

Indeed there is a shocking lack of military experiance in US presidents in a long while. Clinton might have qualified with his ROTC...By a very long mile shot with a air rifle.But he dodged out as well.

Should be almost a mandatory qualification that you have at least basic and one tour of combat under your belt before applying for the Commander in cheifs position.:rolleyes:

Mellor

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Biden is the "asthmathic."The only military Trump saw was he was packed off to a military academy for his high school time

Just checked there. Trump had 5 deferments for Vietnam. The last of which was for bone spurs on his feet - just a few years after he was "going pro" in baseball.

Should be almost a mandatory qualification that you have at least basic and one tour of combat under your belt before applying for the Commander in cheifs position.:rolleyes:

I've no problem if the consensus is that a military career no longer benefits a politician. But in that case a politician should no longer be in charge for words most advanced military.

Grizzly 45

If you want an easy life as a president...I think ours must be the top job.

What's not to like about;

Live in a house that makes the White House look like the gardener's cottage in comparison. If you have ever visited the WH,its tiny in comparison to some palaces,even here in Ireland and the UK.With a park outside it bigger than central park NYC,[with your own deer herd on tap ,if you fancied a spot of hunting.:D]

Job requirements.
Give a bunch of amadahns from Kildare street their ministerial seals of office once in awhile when they get elected.Every five years or so.Bit stressful and hectic this year with two agricultural ministers changing in the spate of 6 weeks.

Sign any laws that are put in front of you,whether you agree with them or not,as you really dont have any power to do anything about them or have no veto.

Be waited on hand and foot.Attend the odd state banquet at home and abroad,while travelling and repersenting Ireland.On the Irish taxpayers dime.

You are commander in cheif,but shure no trouble there.As we are neutral,have never been invaded in the last 500 years And when has anIrish president in CIC role ever betaken of a manouver of the Irish army?Come to think of it,when was the last live national manouver across 26 counties that wasnt a tabletop exercise?

Keep the gob shut on any political events or situations at home or abroad.

[Unless it is of course critiqueing those damn Republican Yank presidents.Democrats get a free pass because...JFK and NI meddling]



Thats about it really...

Plenty of free time to persue your literary, poetic,golfing,or cossword puzzle solving abilities.

Very generous renumeration package,more so than the rest of the EU presidencies.Free gold class health package,free travel,for the rest of your natural life.Armed protection detail as standard .

Apply, any political party ,Dail Eireinn,Kildare St.

Grizzly 45

Mellor wrote: »

Just checked there. Trump had 5 deferments for Vietnam. The last of which was for bone spurs on his feet - just a few years after he was "going pro" in baseball.



I've no problem if the consensus is that a military career no longer benefits a politician. But in that case a politician should no longer be in charge for words most advanced military.

Heel spurs are known more in our part of the world as "flat feet" in military parlance.And back then it was a an excuse.Nowadays not so much with orthopedic inserts and boots and allowing troops some leeway in personalising their equipment within specified parameters.

Be more inclined to say it should and is benefical,as if you have experianced the nasty side of war first hand,you mightnt be too hasty to unleash it on some other mothers sons.

tudderone

Back to the police academy for this lad


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2251732/Video-Shocking-moment-cop-fatally-shoots-woman-aiming-dog.html

Mellor

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Heel spurs are known more in our part of the world as "flat feet" in military parlance.And back then it was a an excuse.Nowadays not so much with orthopedic inserts and boots and allowing troops some leeway in personalising their equipment within specified parameters

Don't think flat feet and heel spurs are the same. Flat feet are simply fallen arches, I have flat feet.
Heel spurs are physical protrusions on the bone. I've no doubts that a bad case could be debilitating. I was talking about Trumps convenient debilitating spurs that weren't an issue when he was playing baseball

Be more inclined to say it should and is benefical,as if you have experianced the nasty side of war first hand,you mightnt be too hasty to unleash it on some other mothers sons.

That's true, I was being a bit ironic, as realistically there no alternate universe where any POTUS gives up that control.

Rows Grower

tudderone wrote: »

Back to the police academy for this lad


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2251732/Video-Shocking-moment-cop-fatally-shoots-woman-aiming-dog.html

Jesus that's bad, but it would be a lot worse if she were black.

tudderone

Rows Grower wrote: »

Jesus that's bad, but it would be a lot worse if she were black.

They must not be taught the concept of the word "Backstop" in that police force.

tudderone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJPXKGL1PHs

Uinseann_16

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Heel spurs are known more in our part of the world as "flat feet" in military parlance.And back then it was a an excuse.Nowadays not so much with orthopedic inserts and boots and allowing troops some leeway in personalising their equipment within specified parameters.

Be more inclined to say it should and is benefical,as if you have experianced the nasty side of war first hand,you mightnt be too hasty to unleash it on some other mothers sons.

Heel spurs are a different thing:P
I have flat feet (very low arches) and its never caused me any issues i know people who have high arches that suffer far more than i do while carrying weight and walking:D

Grizzly 45

Might have misunderstood the last paragraph on them both being the same?My bad.

Why did “heel spurs” exempt people from military service?
FAMILY PODIATRY CENTER DECEMBER 26, 2018 LATEST NEWS

The New York Times released an article (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html) that claims President Trump was given the diagnosis of “heel spurs” so he would be exempt from military service. Putting aside the ethical, moral and political components of this story; one might wonder why heel spurs would disqualify someone from service.

A heel spur is actually an abnormal outgrowth of bone of the calcaneus (heel bone). They may occur on just one foot or both. The tissue on the bottom of the foot called the plantar fascia attaches to the bottom of the heel bone and when stressed, can produce a spur of the bone due to the traction that is occurred with the stress of the fascia attachment. It is the plantar fascia that actually causes the pain.

Heel pain is VERY common. One estimate is that there are 5 million Americans that have heel pain at a given time. Approximately 35-40% of patients at Family Podiatry Center present with the complaint of heel pain.

Plantar fasciitis developed as a diagnosis to more accurately define the source of the pain over time and it takes on definite course with consistent symptoms of pain in the morning and after periods of rest. More recently, some podiatric physicians that specialize in heel pain recognize that there are two forms of plantar fasciitis including a chronic version called plantar fasciosis. “The plantar fascia is much easier to treat before it becomes chronic”, Reid explains, “and it’s important to seek treatment from a qualified podiatrist once the pain cycle changes.” Chronic plantar fascial damage will not respond to the traditional treatments and may require regenerative medical treatments.


So why did “heel spurs” exempt people from military service? Aside from being very painful, heel pain was often associated with “flat feet” which tire easily. Nowadays, both flat feet and heel pain are easily maintained using custom orthotic devices and no long pose a threat to our soldiers

Feisar

Would Sako not bring out a left handed .223 Varmint, I could put it in a McMillan A3 and we'd all be happy!

Grizzly 45

Intresting article on our friends in AGS firearms policies and history.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda-firearms-usage-scant-data-and-little-public-debate-1.4365836?fbclid=IwAR0Akyq34rTIvBKrH1WDqIPy70774eGju_MN9jmcfeO6NLs2oN0hd4c0zo



And a blast from the archives of 2015

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/gun-lobbyists-urge-rethink-of-firearms-legislation-1.2074517

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Intresting article on our friends in AGS firearms policies and history.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda-firearms-usage-scant-data-and-little-public-debate-1.4365836?fbclid=IwAR0Akyq34rTIvBKrH1WDqIPy70774eGju_MN9jmcfeO6NLs2oN0hd4c0zo



And a blast from the archives of 2015

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/gun-lobbyists-urge-rethink-of-firearms-legislation-1.2074517

Nah, from todays papers i was reading about the melon (greens) party having a civil war .

Cass

Someone in the Irish Times has a "insert crude term" for An Gardaí lately.

Two articles in as many days regarding An Gardaí and their use of firearms.

The first article yesterday, talks of how they started as an armed force and were stripped of their firearms due to lack of trust to the increase in Gardaí that are either armed or firearm trained.

The second one this morning regarding the amount of Garda shootings over the past 5 years and a claim almost 35% were AD (or as we know most ADs are not accidents so they're NDs).

Grizzly 45

And we have an editorial as well.
But all in all it does make a utter mockery of certain statements made by Cheif Supers and Garda balistics in the court cases over the years about competency and saftey of "mere civillians"having access to high capacity and semi auto firearms.

If a quarter of those incidents had happened to us,we'd be pointing broomsticks or our fingers at our targets and yelling BANG! at them by now.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-garda-firearm-use-losing-track-of-the-guns-1.4366705?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Feditorial%2Fthe-irish-times-view-on-garda-firearm-use-losing-track-of-the-guns-1.4366705

Cass

Anyone else sitting up for the debate tonight?

I'm looking forward to it. One one side you'll have Trump with:

"I'm the greatest, i'm soooo good, i invented good, it's the best, its going to be lovely"



And on the other side you'll have Biden Wondering where he is, how he got there, and talking about hairy legs for 29 minutes (cos his team want breaks every 30 minutes).

Going to be priceless no matter which side you fall on. However i'd love to see Trump search Biden. He [Trump] wanted him [Biden] checked for ear pieces and other electronic prompters. Imagine Trump frisking Biden down as they shake hands.

Worse case scenario for the the Biden camp if Joe goes rogue:



At which point you'll have someone from Biden's team run out and try to fix it before he is asked another question.

tudderone

I thought the democrats would put up a better candidate than Biden, the man is mentally decrepit. He gets aggressive and insulting if anyone questions him, wanders around talking to himself, rambles on like a cracked record, gets touchy feely with kids ffs, and his and his son Hunters, dealing with Ukraine stink to high heaven.

Biden will have lost the vote of anyone who is a serious gun owner, as he has Beto O'Rourke in tow talking about what they are going to ban, ar14's with the 100 round clips etc. "All you need for hunting is a shotgun, man".

I was reading an article the weekend about countries who gain great power in the world, and become superpowers. The author said countries like Britain, Spain, France and now America, last at the top for about 100 years and then start to decline rapidly. America became a superpower in the aftermath of the first world war, which is 100 + years ago now.

When you see American cities in serious decline like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Los Angeles, even New York, plus the unrest, maybe America is in decline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91nPiokrF-U

Cass

Got a few minutes into it, then the shouting between the two of them got on my nerves so i turned it off.

Watched some "highlights" this morning and seems i missed a towering intellectual debate ............................. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

tudderone

Cass wrote: »

Got a few minutes into it, then the shouting between the two of them got on my nerves so i turned it off.

Watched some "highlights" this morning and seems i missed a towering intellectual debate ............................. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sure we can't talk Cass, we have some right eejits on the scene in this country.

Grizzly 45

Just watched it...That was an 1and 1/2 hours of comedy. On a Looney Tunes cartoon level.
Trump " Name me one police dept that supports you?"
Biden "We haven't time for this!"
Trump "No time to say "Zero?" ..Ok Bub!"

Cass

Trump, regardless of how you feel politically, came off worse.

He dropped the bar so low for Joe that just turning up would be seen as a win and he played right into that trap. Joe, given his past gaffes, was better than i've seen in some months. He avoided questions like the plague, but that is down to his experience as a politician, a trait Trump does not have.

The "moderator" was biased in my opinion. He showed a clear favoritism for Biden that was evident and sometimes outright obvious.

However none of that excuses Trump's poor performance. He spent the night shouting, interrupting and defending himself rather than staying calm and attacking Joe on his record. Trump is not capable of that level of calmness and his emotional instability will not serve him well.

Lastly when Trump was up against hillary he seemed more Presidential, was physically bigger/taller and combined with people's distrust of hillary and their want for change, his shortcomings were not as noticeable to some. Against Biden who is better liked, same stature as Trump, and more trusted than hillary Trump is in a fight that he has not had before so using the same old techniques and relying on people's "protest vote" won't work.

Be interesting to see the next two debates, plus i'm looking forward to the VP debate. Pence should be better and more usd to such things.

tudderone

The Irish property developers cover themselves in glory again :mad:

Knocking down the house of 1916 leader, the O'Rahilly. Barstewards.



https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0929/1168260-orahilly-house-dublin/

BattleCorp

tudderone wrote: »

The Irish property developers cover themselves in glory again :mad:

Knocking down the house of 1916 leader, the O'Rahilly. Barstewards.



https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0929/1168260-orahilly-house-dublin/

It wasn't a listed building as far as I can see and the developer had planning permission for a 105 apartment block on that site. Blame the council for only recently starting the process to have the building listed. It it was that important, why didn't they have it listed years ago.

Mellor

BattleCorp wrote: »

It wasn't a listed building as far as I can see and the developer had planning permission for a 105 apartment block on that site. Blame the council for only recently starting the process to have the building listed. It it was that important, why didn't they have it listed years ago.

Complete speculation. But it’s possible the owners had no interest in having it listed. The ins often outweigh the positives.

BattleCorp

Mellor wrote: »

Complete speculation. But it’s possible the owners had no interest in having it listed. The ins often outweigh the positives.

You are right. The owners didn't want it listed. They wanted the site for apartments. A very valuable site given where it's located. Far more valuable now with no listed house on it. But if it was that important to have it listed, why did the Council only start the process a short while ago and not donkeys years ago.

They don't need the owners permission to have it listed.

Mellor

Cass wrote: »

However none of that excuses Trump's poor performance. He spent the night shouting, interrupting and defending himself rather than staying calm and attacking Joe on his record. Trump is not capable of that level of calmness and his emotional instability will not serve him well.

I haven’t watched the debate yet, and may not watch more than the highlights. But I think that post (all of it) is a good summary of the hurdles for Trump this time.

He hasn’t got the statute card. The crooked Hillary card. Hilary allowed him to play a character, a foil to the system. He can’t do that this time. But when confronted, he appears to fall back on playbook from the last time.

A good example is his tax returns. The NYT claims he essentially hasn’t paid tax in years.
He immediately used the same excuse as last time, that the IRS publicly refuted the last time.

Uinseann_16

Looks like PSAs parent company (Palmetto state armoury) is trying to buy Remington's ammunition section:pac:
And Ruger is trying to buy the Marlin brand
https://www.guns.com/news/ruger-vista-psa-tentative-winners-in-remington-breakup
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bankrupt-remington-gets-65-million-offer-for-ammunition-business-11599680366

I think Ruger taking over marlin could be a good thing for their lever guns