Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Uinseann_16

The left are going to cause violance whichever way it falls thats the sad truth it wasnt republicans out burning shops and attacking federal buildings
I really would not like to see biden win as hes planning on a big gun control plan which will be matched by our dumb politicias this sde of the pond pandering for votes by doing something too... "for the children" like:o

Grizzly 45

I hate to say this my friends, but if Trump doesn't win and Biden gets in, where he will last all of 6 months before being shuffled off back into his cellar,and Kamala Harris gets in. Then I fear the America we knew will cease to exist as the forefront of Western democracy.

An entire witches coven of Harris, Pelosi, Oscario Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Feinstein along with Cuck Schumer and the rest will turn it into a heaving Socialist mess even further in debt than we ever thought possible, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing a State Secessionist movement start again.

Am reading a story cum survival manual by a lad called Selco Begorivc who lived in the former Yugoslavia and survived its civil war. The comparisons he makes between the current situation in the USA in 2019/20 and the former Federal Yougoslavia are absolutely horrifying in similarity.In his case mobs of nationalists of various hues claiming their turf,in our cases mobs of anarchist Leftists carving out their turf in major cities of the US...It only goes down hill from there.

Grizzly 45

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Mellor

Cass wrote: »

Maybe what you explained has a bearing but for the moment, and it could be my misunderstanding, that is not what i'm asking.

I understand how they count them and thus how they get a projection of the most likely outcome. However it usually is based on number of votes counted, percentage to each candidate, number of votes remaining, and based on previous split of votes the likely outcome in the state.

However, and at the risk of repeating myself, with only 84% of the vote counted (by machine), and the difference between candidates being roughly 1% how can a state call for a candidate when races in other states which have a higher count percentage (over 94%) and slightly higher difference between the votes for each candidate (over 2.5%) be "too close to call"?

TO put is in simpler terms if the remaining uncounted ballots (16%) were all cast for Trump then the call for Biden is wrong.

To answer your question.
It’s not just down to remaining votes. It’s about the profile of remaining counties or votes. For example in Georgia. They counted the in person votes first, which were much more likely to be red voters. And this creates a false lead. And they know that the absentee votes are going to more blue.
Arizona probably shouldn’t have been called so early. The idea I’m guessing was that counties outstanding were leaning blue so the narrow gap wasn’t going to close.

Also, it’s not the state calling the winner. It’s only Fox News, or CNN or whoever. It has no actual bearing on the result. Not all of them have called Arizona for Biden

Mellor

Cass wrote: »

Ok here is another one.

Michigan. Trump leading by over 180,000 votes. The electoral map showed it as leaning Red. 138,000 new ballots "found" and counted with ALL of them going to Biden cutting Trumps lead to 50,000.

Simple answer there is that it didn’t actually happen - bad would be statistically impossible.
It was a error on Decision Desk HQ that somebody tweeted, and Trump re-tweeted. The error was corrected and the original tweet deleted.
https://mobile.twitter.com/freep/status/1324061057640550400

In the 24 hours after the ejection Trump’s twitter was a constant stream of false information. He knows mail votes are valid for example, but is suggesting they shouldn’t be counted. Some people are stupid enough to believe him when he says it’s fraud. I know this is a high stakes for him, but blatantly lying to the country is hardly presidential material.

Grizzly 45

Pretty good opinion on how we should go forward by Mike Lindsay of Owners Rights Co-Operative in NI. Just delete any of the UK references and this can apply here too in the ROI.

The Secret Society Shooters.

The UK is a complicated place and one with many rules. It matters little what it is you plan to do the state will have a say in how you do it. This goes double for the world of legal shooting and firearms ownership – it goes without saying you need to enjoy jumping through hoops to own one legally.

So my thoughts have wandered to why some clubs and shooters here insist on treating the sport like a highly secretive old boys club and I’m scratching my head as to how they think this protects shooting in any way whatsoever.



I can see the logic don’t get me wrong, to them by keeping it secret and only having people they agree with on every level joining their clubs they feel that if it’s kept quiet enough no MPs will bother them with more needless legislation.

Here’s where my thoughts go however,

By keeping shooting needlessly exclusive you don’t grow firearm ownership or encourage new blood to take up shooting, in turn your membership consists of people in older age brackets that fear anything new and you end up having your old members eventually die off, leaving both the club and shooting in the area starving for new faces.

Eventually your secret club vanishes completely and those that would rather civilians didn’t own any firearms laugh at your stupidity.

While I understand and have seen first hand license departments punish people for being open about their passion it in no way puts me off from promotion of ownership or shooting.

Shooting sport is perfectly legal as is ownership.

Talking about it grows interest.

Taking people out shooting grows interest.

Opening up clubs to people a little different than yourself grows interest.

For shooting to survive in 2021 shooters need to realise that having little cliques or bad-mouthing others that do value their liberty isn’t going to save their own skins, on the contrary sitting on your hands is the worst thing you can do. Now I’ve been accused before of being too vocal and speak my mind too well……. Here’s the thing,

Sitting down and saying nothing will not stop more attacks on shooting, it hasn’t worked in the past and it definitely won’t work now that they have removed pistols and semi autos above 22. Hell they just banned MARS rifles, please pay attention. Anyone noticed an attack on Fieldsports? No?

Being timid isn’t going to win any rights back – you need to say it like it is.

You need to be politically aware and able to navigate social media to fight the cause, you need to engage with MPs, you need to challenge the narrative.


You think this guy is going to stop?
I’ve had people try to stop me from speaking, I’ve had threats from various activist groups, messages from “shooters” threatening me that they will “see me soon”.



I’ve had “hunters” that live near me try to Doxx me,



vegans threatening my life……. And none of it stops me.

If something is wrong and you know it is in legislation it is your duty as a citizen to challenge it.

Stand up for what you believe in and stop being cowards.

For those who do fight back, God speed and I will stand with you.

If you plan on doing nothing then get out of the way.

-Mike

Feisar

That’s a solid point and really interesting. Apart from an exclusive club there’s also the thing of coming from a shooting house for the want of a better expression. For the likes of me the path to ownership was easy enough in that a gun was not some exotic thing bound up in red tape that was next nigh on impossible to own. I only know two lads that have guns that don’t come from shooting families. One is my best friend so I was the gateway, the other was into ferrets etc so already countryside sports exposed. Can I mention to the intrinsic fear some people have of guns? What the hell is that about?
On talking about it I’ve always been low key, leave no trace. Part of it is security based but the other part is something else. Cause no waves, keep the head down and hopefully I’ll/we'll go unnoticed. I remember reading with incredulity about lads going to court about super’s decisions.
Maybe it comes from a hunter’s natural modus operandi, I don’t know.
Food for thought though.

Grizzly 45

What I find is an acid test for those newbie gun owners is the girlfriend/wife/baby test. They can be out shooting with you morning, noon and night, but once a new bit of alright arrives, becomes the wife, and the Baba is on the way or is there...Well that's where the excuses or the quitters show up.

Best one so far was "Uh ..well since we have had the child [ 5months], we don't want it getting at the gun,so I sold it!"
"But you had it disassembled and the parts are hidden?"[Pre 08 days.Semi shotgun]
"Uh ..Yeah...But you know kids can put it together eventually"

"So why not just buy a trigger lock,or lock and keep your shells up with the medicines and other stuff kids can't get at? This is really.....talking to you isn't it?"

"No,no,no...It's really not for me shooting..[Despite winning a couple of flapper DTL comps]:rolleyes:

Cass

So Biden basically has it. Congratulations President-elect Biden.

In a way its a good thing. Watching tv, listening to radio or reading the papers and having story after story about Trump was tiring. Of course there are some issues that'll need to be ironed out now Biden is President elect (well he is, bar the official announcement).

It means an end to any current or future investigation into him, his Son, Obama, Clinton, etc, etc.

So be it. Didn't seem like it was going to happen anyway.

The fun part is, and i said this before, now he has won is he must be able to speak to people regularly, work 20 hour days, meet international leaders and make the same trade and peace deals previous Presidents have done. No more calling a lid after 4 hours and hiding in his basement for 3 to 5 days.

Then there are the election promises such as medicare for all, open borders, health care for illegals not to mention tax hikes across the board, plus his attack on Fracking, 2nd amendment, and his promise to fund the green new deal to the tune of 2 trillion.

The big one will of course be the Chinese virus. He said he has a plan to effectively combat it so now he must deliver on that, not to mention the promises made to ethnic and racial groups during his campaign.

Of course none of this will be his problem in 12 to 18 months because i'm taking bets that is the max he'll serve before Harris takes the reigns. You think Nancy Pelosi was researching how to use the 25th amendment JUST for Trump!.

Its going to be an interesting 4 years. I'm actually looking forward to it.

Munsterlad102

It'll be interesting to see what'll come of any impending legal action from the Trump campaign. It fairly obvious that there's extensive voter fraud with videos emerging of vote counters filling out votes in the counting centre and to several districts reporting over 100% turn out rate and votes from dead people too. I think we would all agree that Biden isn't responsible for any fraud, so hopefully he isn't subjected to the same witch-hunt that Trump was. Ultimately a victory for Biden will see Kamala Harris become president in a matter of month as Biden is a literal senile old man, so it'll be interesting how that pans out. Also let's not forget about threats to the second amendment if Biden is elected, AR-15s may be on the chopping block! Or whether Biden will try and stack the Supreme Court, mar a deir an seanfhocal, is maith an scéalaí an aimsir!

BattleCorp

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I think we would all agree that Biden isn't responsible for any fraud, so hopefully he isn't subjected to the same witch-hunt that Trump was.

How can you come to that conclusion?

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

So Biden basically has it. Congratulations President-elect Biden.

In a way its a good thing. Watching tv, listening to radio or reading the papers and having story after story about Trump was tiring. Of course there are some issues that'll need to be ironed out now Biden is President elect (well he is, bar the official announcement).

It means an end to any current or future investigation into him, his Son, Obama, Clinton, etc, etc.

So be it. Didn't seem like it was going to happen anyway.

The fun part is, and i said this before, now he has won is he must be able to speak to people regularly, work 20 hour days, meet international leaders and make the same trade and peace deals previous Presidents have done. No more calling a lid after 4 hours and hiding in his basement for 3 to 5 days.

Then there are the election promises such as medicare for all, open borders, health care for illegals not to mention tax hikes across the board, plus his attack on Fracking, 2nd amendment, and his promise to fund the green new deal to the tune of 2 trillion.

The big one will of course be the Chinese virus. He said he has a plan to effectively combat it so now he must deliver on that, not to mention the promises made to ethnic and racial groups during his campaign.

Of course none of this will be his problem in 12 to 18 months because i'm taking bets that is the max he'll serve before Harris takes the reigns. You think Nancy Pelosi was researching how to use the 25th amendment JUST for Trump!.

Its going to be an interesting 4 years. I'm actually looking forward to it.

Sarcastically meant I hope. It is now going to be a lame-duck presidency tainted non stop with vote-rigging accusations. Like the China/Russia interference I mean C'mon Man! 193-year-old dead people voting, ballots being "found" claimed as postal votes,but all for Biden??? "sharpie gate" accusations in AZ? And now with the blockchain ballots?
This isnt over by a long shot yet.

Munsterlad102

BattleCorp wrote: »

How can you come to that conclusion?

The man can barely read a teleprompter or give a speech without jumbling up his words or forgetting where he is, so I honestly don't think he would be able to co-ordinate such wide scale fraud. Also just from some disctricts reporting over 100% turn out rate, it's fairly clear that this is a decentralized campaign of fraud which would rule out Biden as being the mastermind behind it.

BattleCorp

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

The man can barely read a teleprompter or give a speech without jumbling up his words or forgetting where he is, so I honestly don't think he would be able to co-ordinate such wide scale fraud. Also just from some disctricts reporting over 100% turn out rate, it's fairly clear that this is a decentralized campaign of fraud which would rule out Biden as being the mastermind behind it.

I'm not saying Biden rigged anything but you don't think he'd have people who could do that? Maybe even without his knowledge? I'd say Biden couldn't co-ordinate wiping his ar5e and Trump is equally bad or worse - but they know people, that's all I'm saying.

Munsterlad102

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm not saying Biden rigged anything but you don't think he'd have people who could do that? Maybe even without his knowledge? I'd say Biden couldn't co-ordinate wiping his ar5e and Trump is equally bad or worse - but they know people, that's all I'm saying.

Oh of course he could have, but I just don't think he has the mental faculties to even put a team together to commit mass fraud, it's very possible higher ups and beneficiaries in the DNC could be resposible for more of the bulk votes, but I just can't see Biden as the mastermind behind all this. He could be feigning all this and be 10 steps ahead of us all, who knows?:D

Regrading Trump, the media does lash into him for every tiny thing he says and they twist everything to suit thier narrative, so in reality I don't think he's so bad (let's not forget all CNN's unnamed sources:D). He's brought back jobs and the economy has come on in leaps and bounds under his leadership, which is ultimately what the president's first job is.

Grizzly 45

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

. Ultimately a victory for Biden will see Kamala Harris become president in a matter of month as Biden is a literal senile old man, so it'll be interesting how that pans out. Also let's not forget about threats to the second amendment if Biden is elected, AR-15s may be on the chopping block! Or whether Biden will try and stack the Supreme Court, mar a deir an seanfhocal, is maith an scéalaí an aimsir!

It would actually be ANY firearm that could be prohibited under the very loose interpretations of that act, not just AR15s. Thing is if the Republicans hold the Senate, it's still good,as a bill like that won't happen. Remember Sandy Hook? Obama tried this by executive order but didn't have the numbers in both houses to pass it. He'd need overwhelming majorities in both houses to have a clear run to do this. Then it is going to hit the supreme court, and packing that is NOT a good idea,it has been done once before under Wilson I belive,and it was a disaster too, nothing got done at all.

Next problem will be getting anyone to comply with it. After all the mag bans and "assault rifle" hand-ins in places like Upstate NY and Conn were exactly...Err .. zero per cent..
Not saying it couldn't happen ,but it would be a very serious issue to mishandle by trying a" 4AM no knock warrant on an entire neighbourhood" approach without some serious kickback, of the very loud Oklahoma Federal building type.
Plus how many defunded police depts and police having to deal with screaming BLM/ANTIFA animals are actually going to carry out any such order? Sheriffs all over the place have said they will not comply or just deputise everyone in their county to LE personnel.Not to mind the majority of police depts have come out in favour of Trump,along with the military...Another reason these figures do not add in AZ.The whole place is a giant US airforce base,and has thousands of military personel all over it.

The test will be ,and I wont take a bet on a sure thing.But this black Friday will see record gun and ammo sales[if available] sales again that will surpass Obamas anti-gun regin.

Grizzly 45

Trump is the only politician I know who made an effort to keep his election promises and is hated for it.:rolleyes:

BattleCorp

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The test will be ,and I wont take a bet on a sure thing.But this black Friday will see record gun and ammo sales[if available] sales again that will surpass Obamas anti-gun regin.

I'd say you are indeed correct. The only thing that might keep the numbers down is the fact that many gun shops are cleaned out as it is.

Cass

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

It fairly obvious that there's extensive voter fraud with videos emerging of vote counters filling out votes in the counting centre and to several districts reporting over 100% turn out rate and votes from dead people too.

Two things on that.

1. Absolutely no proof of it so its just accusations and at this point coming across as sour grapes. So he should stop doing it.
2. Trump had his chance to stomp out election fraud if he "knew" it was so rampant and didn't. Again moaning about it now is crying over spilled milk.

Also let's not forget about threats to the second amendment if Biden is elected, AR-15s may be on the chopping block!

That is the real concern for people but it'll be a nothing burger as other Presidents have tried and failed to do anything.

Or whether Biden will try and stack the Supreme Court!

Won't happen. Republicans hold control of the Senate.

Cass

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Sarcastically meant I hope.

Not in the least.

I didn't care when Obama won his two terms, nor when Trump won in 2016. Because it has NO effect on my life. None. Whatsoever.

I only follow the elections as they're a good watch. My comments over the last four years in support of Trump were based on his policies and actions, not his character. I've said before the man needs a lesson in basic manners, but i don't like to see people attack someone simply because they don't like them. Like the rule on Boards, attack the post, not the poster. Show me where Trump done wrong for the country and i'll talk to you, but hating him because of "bad orange man" is stupid.

It is now going to be a lame-duck presidency tainted non stop with vote-rigging accusations.

No it won't be. Dem white house, and Dem congress. Everything after that will flow off their backs quicker than sh*t from a Goose.

193-year-old dead people voting, ballots being "found" claimed as postal votes,but all for Biden??? "sharpie gate" accusations in AZ? And now with the blockchain ballots? .

There has been no proof, actual proof, of any of this. If the Republicans had proof this would be splashed all over the media regardless of their political leanings. As for the Sharpie thing, even the Republican counters said sharpies do not invalidate a vote.

DO i think someone fishy is going on, possibly, but again its only because of how well Trump was doing in electioneering to do so poorly in the actual election.

Munsterlad102

Cass wrote: »

Two things on that.

1. Absolutely no proof of it so its just accusations and at this point coming across as sour grapes. So he should stop doing it.
2. Trump had his chance to stomp out election fraud if he "knew" it was so rampant and didn't. Again moaning about it now is crying over spilled milk.

That is the real concern for people but it'll be a nothing burger as other Presidents have tried and failed to do anything.

Won't happen. Republicans hold control of the Senate.

Ok, I'll conceit the last two points but I'm not going to let the first two go. Cass, if there is no evidence of voter fraud, then how do you explain the over 100% turnout rate in some areas, the sudden influx of about 140,000 votes in Michigan and Wisconsin at the same time, each and every one was for Biden, how do you explain dead people voting? Something doesn't add up Cass, if it's not fraud, then what is it?
Also, when do you expect Trump to call out voter fraud? Before it actually happened, or when it is happening?

Cass

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Cass, if there is no evidence of voter fraud, then how do you explain the over 100% turnout rate in some areas, the sudden influx of about 140,000 votes in Michigan and Wisconsin at the same time, each and every one was for Biden, how do you explain dead people voting? Something doesn't add up Cass, if it's not fraud, then what is it?

I didn't say it wasn't fraud, i said there is no proof.

Huge difference, and i don't mean just mean saying it, i mean in election terms. Trump can cry foul all he wants and God knows i personally think something is odd with some aspects of the election, but without proof it's only an assumption/accusation. They need actual proof of it taking place.

Social media is awash with complaints about election fraud, and some even have videos. Now i don't believe the fact checkers for one second, but a simple search by myself shows no evidence to support the accusations. As i said above if there were evidence Trump would not be holding press conferences claiming it, he'd be marching down to the Supreme court and having the process stopped until it was investigated.

Also, when do you expect Trump to call out voter fraud? Before it actually happened, or when it is happening?

Back in 2016 the Democrats, who now claim there is no voter fraud, launched into a four year attack on Trump claiming election fraud by Russia. Trump could have very easily held investigations and enquiries and given his stance on election fraud (he thinks it's constantly ongoing) he could have taken steps to curtail it or stop it. What that entails, i don't know, but after the election is over and votes are being counted is not the time to cry about it.

Prevention is better than cure.

Besides we'll see him back in 2024. Trump that is.

Cass

By the by i'm playing Devil's advocate here.

If there is election fraud it has to be on a scale never before seen and while some "higher ups" might be able to keep it quiet i sincerely doubt the hundreds or thousands required to pull it off could do the same.

I personally believe, as said above, that some things don't add up. Votes "appearing" are explained away with a weak story. States are called for Biden WAYYYYY before the count is even 75% done. With pictures and videos of thousands, and at times tens of thousands, turning up for Trump rallies and with Biden barely scrapping 200 when he emerges once a week from the basement to hold his rallies i don't see how Trump could lose some states which are historically red.

The one thing that does annoy me is when on the news they say there is absolutely no election interference and the elections are 100% secure, yet they [Dems] thought the exact opposite only four years ago when Trump won. Plus Project Veritas has released a video claiming election fraud with a pledge from an unnamed USPS worker, but its off an unnamed, hence cannot be verified.

If the Republicans have proof of election fraud with dead people voting then bring these votes to the attention of the commission and have the election stopped for a full enquiry. If they don't have it, then it's just hearsay/rumor.

Cass

Read a story the other day about a county controller (Antrim County in Michigan, America) where she said the count was wrong. She said the software used by the machines has a glitch and is counting GOP votes as Democratic ones. She also said the same software is used in 33 other counties in Michigan.

Thought no more of it at the time or that it was FB nonsense again.

Seems not.

Posted on most media channels 3 hours ago, and i've linked to MSN so as not to be accused of using a "right wing" or "Trump supporting networks" which people would dismiss solely because they support Trump, but it now seems that they stopped counting, investigated, "fixed" the glitch and the county, that was historically Red, has once again gone back to Trump.

He won it by 2,500 after being told he lost it by over 3,000. So if this is happening in 33 other counties.

Well, you decide.

Now this is proof, to a degree. I wouldn't call it election fraud, but its definitely an issue that needs addressing.

Mellor

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

sudden influx of about 140,000 votes in Michigan and Wisconsin at the same time, each and every one was for Biden,

how do you explain dead people voting?

The 140k votes all for Biden didn’t happen. Was discussed above. It was an incorrect update posted on Twitter, it was corrected very quickly. It’s not reflected in actual state counts.

Dead people voting. No explanation.
Can you point to evidence of that? As I’ve only seen claims of it but nothing to back them up.
If people know it happened, there must be clear proof.


The issue is imo, is people are just accepting what they read on Twitter or Facebook because they want it to be the case.

Something doesn't add up Cass, if it's not fraud, then what is it?
Also, when do you expect Trump to call out voter fraud? Before it actually happened, or when it is happening?

Everyone knew the dems vote at higher rates by mail. Trump actively pushed against mail votes, told republicans to vote in person.

He has set his cards in places to claim fraudulent mail votes.
Even if Trump knew a result was 100% honest, but it was very close, he would claim fraud.
Every time he speaks he makes false statements. Senior GOP members and sucking out against it as they know how much damage he is doing.

Rows Grower

Trump’s credibility is a big issue here, even if there are genuine suspicions of some shady shenanigans he’s after shooting his load too many times, like the boy who cried wolf.

In his own words, “fake news”,

yubabill

This is my favourite conspiracy theory about the US election - Biden's team used an app-like algorithm "Scorecard" to interfere with vote counting in the swing states.

Crazy people like Steve Bannon are interviewing people like Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney about it and even Sidney Powell (Gen. Flynn's attorney) is pushing it.

apparently, it flips about 3 percent of votes at the counting stage, after the ballots are fed in to the machines.

So, if it was used in Nevada, then Bill Barr's lawsuit should surface it (3,000-odd people broke NV law by voting there while they lived somewhere else).

https://theamericanreport.org/2020/11/05/lt-gen-thomas-mcinerney-usaf-ret-and-the-american-reports-mary-fanning-discuss-scorecard-and-the-hammer-election-hack-on-wolrdview-weekend-with-brannon-howse/

Grizzly 45

Could then anyone care to explain then.The refusal to let Trump election monitors into the Polling stations in Penn to monitor the vote count and the fact the Republicans needed to go to court to allow this basic function of elections?
The mail in ballots and allowing them past the cutoff of Nov 3rd is contentious.if you know that there is a cutoff point that your paperwork HAS to be someplace before a certain date.You know then it has to be sent early to get there,otherwise it is null& void.You cant tell me that X 100k's worth of Penn citizens were that daft as to not know this?

Also, explain then the three or four people in Maricopa AZ who have gone on witness Re the "sharpie gate" affair to claim their ballots were discarded off the machines as being illegible to read, and being refused a fresh ballot sheet if this was a problem? I'm particularly interested in this one, as I could, and did vote in Maricopa County by a postal vote[but didn't use a sharpie to mark.:)]

Yet,I haven't lived there for 25 years, and it was my 1st time voting there with nothing more than my State ID and proof of my address, by postal vote... Lads,we have better vote security here in Ireland than that!:rolleyes:

Not to mind this odd thing by Fox news in calling AZ blue well before the counts were finished, and still refusing to change the stance?As well as delaying calling FL and TX?

Wisconsin coming out with 89% of the state voting?Something it has never done before?

As for proof of all this...Maybe they are keeping it under wraps until this does end up in court? Personally,I think it would be best the Supreme court nullifies this election and it is done again. But this time with mandatory Voter ID or voting in person in your embassy if abroad or by military unit overseas.As this WILL be a making of a lame-duck presidency, and leave both of them open to accusations of stealing the election.

Can't believe that America managed to get two nations of Iraq and Afghanistan to vote with a democratic process totally alien to them, can make such a shambles of their own election.:mad:

Grizzly 45

Cass wrote: »

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Back in 2016 the Democrats, who now claim there is no voter fraud, launched into a four year attack on Trump claiming election fraud by Russia. Trump could have very easily held investigations and enquiries and given his stance on election fraud (he thinks it's constantly ongoing) he could have taken steps to curtail it or stop it. What that entails, i don't know, but after the election is over and votes are being counted is not the time to cry about it.

Prevention is better than cure.

Besides we'll see him back in 2024. Trump that is.

No he couldn't as it an excess of presidential powers being used in a personal manner is the easiest way to explain it.IOW the president cant use his powers to personal gain or score-settling. Hence Killary and her husband are still out and about despite election promises to lock her up. I don't even know how this works, but it has to go thru a petition to the attorney general and have the support of a House majority before it is considered ASFIK.

A 2024 comeback? Doubt it, as who would want o take on the mess Biden will leave in his wake, with his great plan that he won't reveal until he is in office, but seems to involve taxing the fuk out of everything, letting utter loons like AOC plus 3 with their green new deal play havoc on the US energy policy? While letting China gobble up what's left of the economy and move to the Worlds Hyperpower position.... We are definitely living in "interesting times" my friends.

Mellor

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Could then anyone care to explain then.The refusal to let Trump election monitors into the Polling stations in Penn to monitor the vote count and the fact the Republicans needed to go to court to allow this basic function of elections?

They went to court, they didn't need to go to court. The judge threw the complaint out and confirm they were already treated fairly and allowed to observe.

A Trump campaign lawyer admitted before a federal judge on Thursday that observers for the campaign were allowed to watch ballot canvassing in Philadelphia, after they claimed in court and the President's supporters alleged they were being deprived unfairly.

But the federal judge was having none of it, instead asking Philadelphia city officials to confirm Democrats and Republicans were being treated fairly to watch the ballot-counting and that they were allowed to watch the ballot counting in the city from six feet away.

When the judge pressed the Trump campaign lawyer if there were observers in the room from the campaign, the lawyer, Jerome Marcus, said, "There's a non-zero number of people in the room."

A non-zero amount of people is a new one to me.

The mail in ballots and allowing them past the cutoff of Nov 3rd is contentious.if you know that there is a cutoff point that your paperwork HAS to be someplace before a certain date.You know then it has to be sent early to get there,otherwise it is null& void.You cant tell me that X 100k's worth of Penn citizens were that daft as to not know this?

The cut off date is the cut off date. However some states, all votes to count as long as they are received by a certain date. If that date is after Nov 3rd then votes are valid. As long as that was the law prior to the election.

Changing the date after the fact is crazy.

Also, explain then the three or four people in Maricopa AZ who have gone on witness Re the "sharpie gate" affair to claim their ballots were discarded off the machines as being illegible to read, and being refused a fresh ballot sheet if this was a problem? I'm particularly interested in this one, as I could, and did vote in Maricopa County by a postal vote[but didn't use a sharpie to mark.:)]

How would they know there vote wasn't read by the machine?
It wouldn't be fed into the counting machine until hours after then filled it out. They wouldn't be standing there to see it. Sounds like one of the fake claims.
Any legitimate dodginess will be lost in the fake nonsense people are clinging to.

Not to mind this odd thing by Fox news in calling AZ blue well before the counts were finished, and still refusing to change the stance?As well as delaying calling FL and TX?

Every single state was called before counting was finished. There's a rush for the media to be first. To appear to be ahead of the others. It has no effect on the outcome of the election.