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    #2252
    914
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭914


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Anyone know anything about the citation that just left the airport?

    Most likely private aircraft. Several of them operate in and out of Waterford.

    Mainly (wealthy) families from the UK who have houses in Ireland, fly in and out each week.


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    #2253
    Wanderer78
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    914 wrote:
    Mainly (wealthy) families from the UK who have houses in Ireland, fly in and out each week.

    Seemed to be flying west, must look at playback to see where it went to, distinctive sound


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    #2254
    914
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Seemed to be flying west, must look at playback to see where it went to, distinctive sound

    Possibly Air Ambulance or Irish Air Core


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    #2255
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    914 wrote:
    Possibly Air Ambulance or Irish Air Core

    Would they have a citation in their fleet?


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    #2256
    914
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Would they have a citation in their fleet?

    No your right, aer core has a lear jet.

    As for air ambulances, private companies often operate citations.

    Although strange to go west direction as they would mainly to be to UK or EU mainland.


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    #2257
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    914 wrote: »
    No your right, aer core has a lear jet.

    As for air ambulances, private companies often operate citations.

    Although strange to go west direction as they would mainly to be to UK or EU mainland.

    went straight to shannon, looks like it could still be there


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    #2258
    curmudgeonly
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    6 more days to AN Bord Pleannala's decision on runway extension.


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    #2259
    Oscar Madison
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    914 wrote: »
    No your right, aer core has a lear jet.

    As for air ambulances, private companies often operate citations.

    Although strange to go west direction as they would mainly to be to UK or EU mainland.

    Air Corp ffs! Not an apple that you're talking about!


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    #2260
    Dum_Dum
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    curmudgeonly wrote: »
    6 more days to AN Bord Pleannala's decision on runway extension.


    2 1/4 years later we get a 'decision':

    From August 2018:

    http://www.munster-express.ie/front-page-news/runway-extension-plan-lodged/


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    #2261
    BBM77
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    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    2 1/4 years later we get a 'decision':

    From August 2018:

    http://www.munster-express.ie/front-page-news/runway-extension-plan-lodged/

    That is fast by Irish standards with these things.


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    #2262
    killbillvol2
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    Oscar Madison wrote: »
    Air Corp ffs! Not an apple that you're talking about!

    Air Corps.


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    #2263
    hardybuck
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    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    2 1/4 years later we get a 'decision':

    From August 2018:

    http://www.munster-express.ie/front-page-news/runway-extension-plan-lodged/

    Who is 'we' here - the airport company?

    I think a four month turnaround from An Bord Pleanala (application was submitted in July) would be excellent. You'd do well to get that sort of time frame if you were building a house.


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    #2264
    ExoPolitic
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    Ironically, now is the best time to work on the airport for expansion. Wonder what they'll decide however...


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    #2265
    Teebor15
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    Who is 'we' here - the airport company?

    I think a four month turnaround from An Bord Pleanala (application was submitted in July) would be excellent. You'd do well to get that sort of time frame if you were building a house.

    8 weeks for a planning application with WCC


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    #2266
    curmudgeonly
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭curmudgeonly


    I would imagine start late next spring and open the following year.
    It's very heavy marl ground, not a place to be building in the wet.


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    #2267
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,164 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Teebor15 wrote: »
    8 weeks for a planning application with WCC

    Assuming that no further information is sought, and you've got no objections.


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    #2268
    914
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    Think the planning will be approved but will it get the funding required.

    Aviation isn't in a great place at present. Cork and Shannon are struggling, with FF in power and two Cork men Martin and Covney, will they really want further competition for Cork.

    Genuine question, not stirring ****.

    I agree now is the time to do it but will we have the political support?


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    #2269
    ExoPolitic
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    curmudgeonly wrote: »
    I would imagine start late next spring and open the following year.
    It's very heavy marl ground, not a place to be building in the wet.

    Try telling that to the people that built Hong Kong International airport on reclaimed land lol.


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    #2270
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,164 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    914 wrote: »
    Think the planning will be approved but will it get the funding required.

    Aviation isn't in a great place at present. Cork and Shannon are struggling, with FF in power and two Cork men Martin and Covney, will they really want further competition for Cork.

    Genuine question, not stirring ****.

    I agree now is the time to do it but will we have the political support?

    I'd have very serious concerns about the financial viability of Waterford Airport. Before Covid I think all of the airports with the exception of Dublin lost money.

    I think the €7m of public funding for the extension is the thin end of the wedge. It'll need ongoing financial aid from the Government when it becomes operational, and the €5m it received last year (and presumably it got another few million this year) being a case in point.

    If you gave people in Waterford the guts of €5m a year to spend on a transport project, I'm not sure if they'd have this as their first priority.

    However it may help to create jobs and investment in the region so there is a potential return on investment.


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    #2271
    fricatus
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    Don’t underestimate the value of a daily flight to London in terms of the attractiveness of this area for inward investment.


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    #2272
    Wanderer78
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    hardybuck wrote:
    However it may help to create jobs and investment in the region so there is a potential return on investment.

    With the city developments coming on stream, the airport extension now may become viable, id imagine airport activities will also increase due to city activities, but the aviation industry certainly is in a lot of trouble


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    #2273
    914
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    I agree with the above posts having connection to London would highly beneficial especially if we are looking at companies possibly relocating to Ireland due to Brexit, a fully functional airport in Waterford would have us as the closest city to London in Ireland.

    I have major concerns with the government. I can see Cork struggling due to the effects of covid and can see government pumping money into cork as opposed to getting Waterford Airport up and runnning.

    How long does planning last, five years? That would give enough time for aviation to turn things around hopefully.


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    #2274
    Teebor15
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    I think the €7m of public funding for the extension is the thin end of the wedge. It'll need ongoing financial aid from the Government when it becomes operational, and the €5m it received last year (and presumably it got another few million this year) being a case in point.

    €5m last year???? another few million this year???


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    #2275
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    914 wrote: »
    Think the planning will be approved but will it get the funding required.

    Aviation isn't in a great place at present. Cork and Shannon are struggling, with FF in power and two Cork men Martin and Covney, will they really want further competition for Cork.

    Genuine question, not stirring ****.

    I agree now is the time to do it but will we have the political support?

    The reality is that 90%+ of the Waterford air traffic is going to Dublin, very little is going to Cork. Due to the prices and options out of Dublin, the regional airports get an edge on proximity and compete far more with the behemoth up their respective motorways than with each other. I'd say the people in Cork Airport could care less whether an airport opens in Waterford or not.


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    #2276
    Harry Palmr
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    snotboogie wrote: »
    The reality is that 90%+ of the Waterford air traffic is going to Dublin, very little is going to Cork. Due to the prices and options out of Dublin, the regional airports get an edge on proximity and compete far more with the behemoth up their respective motorways than with each other. I'd say the people in Cork Airport could care less whether an airport opens in Waterford or not.

    So they do care? :)


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    #2277
    Asdfgh2020
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    So they do care? :)

    In the boom as in 1995 to 2006/7 period what kind of numbers did the airport generate per annum I mean passenger numbers......?

    Assuming the runway extension gets done would a daily flight to one of the London airports be viable........?

    The north ‘keys’ guy goes on about the population catchment that Waterford region has something like 400,000 within an hours drive......is this sufficient to attract enough punters who would normally go to Dublin or cork for their trip to London to use a Waterford London flight....the obvious advantages being no shuttle busing, cheap parking and practically non existent q’s at check in/security.......


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    #2278
    Dum_Dum
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    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    In the boom as in 1995 to 2006/7 period what kind of numbers did the airport generate per annum I mean passenger numbers......?

    Assuming the runway extension gets done would a daily flight to one of the London airports be viable........?

    The north ‘keys’ guy goes on about the population catchment that Waterford region has something like 400,000 within an hours drive......is this sufficient to attract enough punters who would normally go to Dublin or cork for their trip to London to use a Waterford London flight....the obvious advantages being no shuttle busing, cheap parking and practically non existent q’s at check in/security.......


    Other regional airports are not viable - why especially does Waterford have to be?


    The game is pork barrel politics. If other regions are getting free stuff then so should we. If you don't like the game then change the rules - but don't apply the pork barrel rule book unevenly.


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    #2279
    Dum_Dum
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    So they do care? :)


    Cork Airport thinks it serves the whole of south of the country:



    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/ourview/arid-40066004.html


    Nobody does delusion better than Cork.


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    #2280
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Cork Airport thinks it serves the whole of south of the country:



    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/ourview/arid-40066004.html


    Nobody does delusion better than Cork.

    Can't argue with 2+million pax every year. Numbers no other regional airport can come within an arses roar of since the motorways have been completed.


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    #2281
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Can't argue with 2+million pax every year. Numbers no other regional airport can come within an arses roar of since the motorways have been completed.


    We are in awe. Every house in Ireland should receive a free postcard of Cork, put it in a glass cabinet and throw sugar at it.


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