Waterford Airport.

fuzzy dunlop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122811300#Comment_122811300

Try engaging a couple of brain cells. Go to Knock and say a prayer for that ability.It will be life changing for you.

fuzzy dunlop

It's a dubious Marian shrine with an international airport. That's all that need be said. Paid for by lobbying Charlie Haughey and transactional politics.

road_high

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122826276#Comment_122826276

Not really. Pariah pump politics initially brought it (and far play to them as there was very little up west in those days, we in the south east always had some industry and strong agriculture to depend on) but now It’s doing very well for itself as a viable business. Have family up the north midlands and everyone uses Knock airport. It’s extremely convenient for a huge swathe of the west and north midlands.
A tiny fraction of business is to do with knock shrine now.

friendlyfun

Too many tosspots here

dan575283578

can't get over killian mangan thinking we should build a rail line to cork rather than the runway extension, ridiculous

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122859221#Comment_122859221

we need to rail this country, and fast, you ll find most other similar countries have far greater scale of rail, compared to ourselves, another major failing of governments, past and present, wouldnt be worrying about it though, as it wont happen, your kids will be the ones picking up the pieces though, so no long term damage there!

dan575283578

There already is the limerick junction line though, why not improve this line for Waterford-Cork connections rather than spend billions on a new line,

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122861019#Comment_122861019

its all the areas in between is the issue, we havent implemented a functioning rail network all over the country, we actually dismantled it over the century, which is now resulting in serious issues, causing serious economic and social dysfunctions, i.e. centralisation of economic activities, particularly around the dublin region, this in turn is causing serious strain on other critical infrastructure such as our energy, water infrastructures, housing etc etc etc

…and the only way to deal with this serious transport deficit, is the private car, especially fossil fueled private cars, and no, we re not all gonna move lock stock over to ev's anytime soon!

…and the fact, we re not gonna rail the country anytime soon, so fossil fueled cars it ll be!

…and remember, some can actually work on the train, best of luck with doing that while driving a car, or god forbid, on a bus!

…again, dont worry, this isnt gonna change anytime soon, as we re gonna keep effectively electing the same governments, over and over, as will be the case on the 29th….

Dum_Dum_2

When multinationals are scoping sites, they're not looking at how long it takes to get to Cork on the train.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122861310#Comment_122861310

wanna bet! i know some that have and do, being able to efficiently move employees and stock around is a critical function of a business, hence why many prefer to locate near dublin and/or near the east coast, and less so elsewhere!

….again, by not having effective transport networks, including rail, outside of the east coast, this in turn is forcing businesses, not just mnc's, but also sme's, in which the majority of the workforce works, to locate so…..

…but again, dont worry, this isnt gonna change!

…if you re wondering where some of that 14 billion should be going, i.e. long term transport infrastructure, and not just being giving out like confetti!

…but again, dont worry, it wont be!

azimuth17

il

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122861310#Comment_122861310

They're just looking at how long it takes to get anywhere from Dublin. That's the reality and the task for IDA and politicians, to get them to move around the country. Senior political input is hugely important, just remember the sweetheart deal Apple got to locate in Cork.

One MNC director told me that his company would locate in Swords if left to their own devices. Proximity to Dublin airport was key.

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122859221#Comment_122859221

At least he's honest, it's very easy to say I support the airport and do sweet f all about it, in fairness to him he personally doesn't see the need for it and spoke the truth for himself.

Not that I agree with him, but the easiest thing in the world to do there is say "yes I support the airport"

dzilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122863484#Comment_122863484

I admire his enthusiasm and vision to be fair but it seems pie in the sky in relation to a railway between Waterford and Cork via Dungarvan

Valhalla90

The line between Waterford and Limerick Junction is not utilized at all. It’s a failure due to the timetable and that’s all done deliberately. A line to Cork would be the same. Cannot see the benefit of a line like this along with the cost of buying land and actual physical construction. It will never happen. At least he was honest about the airport and in my opinion his unsuitability to fight for projects in Waterford. Airport will open the region up for investment and tourism, not a scenic railway line to Cork.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122864994#Comment_122864994

direct line to cork makes every bit of sense, as it would make some businesses more viable along its corridor, it would also help with reducing pressure in housing, also making building more viable along this corridor, potentially reducing the price of housing, on cheaper land, and away from our more built up areas, probably would be less building objections due to these facts to, but yes, this wont happen, so just embrace our current highly dysfunctional hyper inflated property markets, tis all good, nothing to see here!

Valhalla90

Maybe we should be focused on developing our city as a hub of employment instead of the idea of us being a commuter city to Cork because let’s face it they would absolutely love that. We would get even less that the crumbs we get currently and hey could justify it as well we are the regional city. Build Waterford up from within Waterford. We do not want to be a commuter town/city.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122866845#Comment_122866845

…and again, this centralised hub approach is exactly what we ve been doing, and now we know its outcomes, particularly in relation to our housing markets, i.e. hyper inflated prices and highly dysfunctional, again, the idea of de-centralisation is to de-pressurise the whole thing, an attempt to slow the rate of inflation of our property markets, to encourage business growth in the region, along rail corridors. but again, dont worry, its not gonna happen, so the results are gonna remain the same, i.e. we re gonna maintain our highly dysfunctional hyper inflated property markets, extremely high levels of private car commuting, resulting in many young people to simply emigrate, i.e. tis all good!

modern rail lines between our major towns and cities would begin to relieve the pressure of property within these towns and cities, and possible help to create cheaper property outside of these towns and cities, along these rail corridors, but again, its not gonna happen!

theres already plenty of people commuting to and from waterford for employment, mostly by private fossil fueled cars, i know lads that commute from carlow, to wexford and beyond, and have been for years, ive even worked with some of them, converting these commutes to rail makes complete sense, but again, its not gonna happen, so lets stay the same, as thats gonna help resolve these issues!

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122865796#Comment_122865796

Direct line between every city and large town makes perfect sense. But in reality it will never happen, all you have to do is look at the spiraling costs of most projects in Ireland, building a new railway network is on no one's cards.

While it's a great idea it's simple not going to happen.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867146#Comment_122867146

yes we know this isnt gonna happen, cause we re gonna keep electing the same governments over and over, so many of our most serious problems such as housing are just gonna stay here, possible indefinitely, so happy days….

our governments and states have become risk adverse, they also think ireland is still a poorer state of times past, hence defaulting to this type of thinking, which means we re screwed, but younger generations will be screwed much more and much more quicker to, the most likely outcome in the long run is a stagnant economy with serious social dysfunctions, as we age rapidly, so critical social functions such as providing health care to an aging population, become a serious problem, as we end up with not enough young people providing whats needed, so joy to the world!

other, not as advanced economies have actually recently rapidly expanded their rail networks, at a fraction of the costs expected, by bringing in outside help and advice, mainly Chinese, so it is possible, but shur whats the point talking about it really!

such developments could easily be done here, over many decades, but again, they wont be, so on to the same, with very little changing….

dan575283578

How long does the planning permission(granted feb 2022)last? is it 5 years for something like this?

dan575283578

Hard to believe its been almost a year now since the announcement that private funding ha dbeen secured

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122896684#Comment_122896684

could all change in the next few weeks with new government

azimuth17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122869004#Comment_122869004

Five years.

dan575283578

They'll need to get that extended so, won't be done by feb 27.

azimuth17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122897772#Comment_122897772

Not if substantal work starts before the planning expiry date?

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122898367#Comment_122898367

Hard to see that happening, if we are depending on government support.

Can't see a government been formed till after Christmas, even if it is before Christmas, factor in the Christmas break, ministers being appointed, getting up to speed etc.

Unless the investors start work themselves

blackwhite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122898852#Comment_122898852

They can apply for a further 5 years if works have been delayed due to commercial or economic issues beyond the control of the applicant.

Muttley79

€70 million for a 2.7km cycle lane in Dublin!!!

This is just infuriating to see a waste of taxpayers money spent by the green party.

Yet they put a regional airport in critical need of funding bottom of their list.

The sooner these greens are gone the better.

https://www.fm104.ie/news/fm104-news/e70m-clontarf-to-city-centre-cycle-path-officially-opens/

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122902064#Comment_122902064

ffg actually control the purse strings as they have control over the finance department, such decisions must be agreed with all parties, so its not entirely the fault of the greens of such decisions, dont be surprised if such occurs in the next ffg government, even if the greens arent in it, ffg are masters of causing such with their government partners. if you think theres gonna be some changes with the next ffg government, you better think again!

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122902064#Comment_122902064

The small guys always get the blame, PD's, Labour, Greens etc.

Yet everyone seems to forgot they are always the smallest party to make up government. I'm not lover of the greens but removing them is not going to suddenly get the airport going.

Both FF and FG have the majority and get away scot free

azimuth17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122902064#Comment_122902064

That's a shocker and a kick in the goolies.

Hotblack Desiato

Just over €70 million was spent on the 2.7 kilometre Clontarf to City Centre scheme, that included replacing old water mains and adding eight new community plazas.

It's not just a cycle lane, but the online outraged don't really care for facts

azimuth17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122911103#Comment_122911103

Its a cycle lane with some necessary ancillary work as add ons. Huge money as ever, in Dublin.

Hotblack Desiato

🙄🙄

blackwhite

Matt Shanahan failing to get back in looks like a missed opportunity for Waterford - given how Government formation looks like it will unfold.

An independent from the city could have negotiated a bag of goodies - including the airport funding - in return for supporting the government without a need for SDs or Labour.