Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Thierry12 · 02-11-2020 10:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Countries originally locked down thinking there would be dead bodies piling up in the streets.

1.2M is an extremely low death toll. Especially considering most are WITH and not OF Covid.

Yep

Whole thing is very confusing

Been thinking about Wuhan lately and from what we know now it must have been spreading there well before December for them to have been hit so hit so hard in late Dec/Jan

We know now this thing builds up pretty slowly and then hits hard

Covid has to be around well over a year now and this reinfections of 6 months has to be bull****

Allinall · 02-11-2020 10:21PM

martingriff wrote: »

There is only so much an awning and a heather can do with the weather we have had the last few days

True.

What about the other 80/90 % of the days?

All people see are problems.

Quite sad really.

Allinall · 02-11-2020 10:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So we can shift the blame for the HSEs criminal failure to increase ICU capacity in healthcare as advised, to the hospitality industry for not roofing the country?

That’s some mental gymnastics right there.

Have a beer and a lie down and you’ll be ok.

Spanish Eyes · 02-11-2020 10:28PM

All across Northern Europe towns and cities are geared up for outdoor eating and socialising, it is very popular and is well managed with blankets, heaters and awnings.

We can do it here too, but we need the co operation of local councils to allow pavement dining, instead of charging a premium per outside table.

It’s not rocket science. In fact pre Covid at all times of the year you couldn’t get a table outside places like the Bailey. Just from observation lol. Our local pub Restaurant had a great set up outside. Well heated, well lit, nice atmosphere under the circs.etc.

It’s the way forward now and the pubs/ restaurants should be badgering for this morning noon and night and grants to do it too. Adds atmosphere to a town/city. it’s a no brainer IMO.

FintanMcluskey · 02-11-2020 10:33PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

All across Northern Europe towns and cities are geared up for outdoor eating and socialising, it is very popular and is well managed with blankets, heaters and awnings.

We can do it here too, but we need the co operation of local councils to allow pavement dining, instead of charging a premium per outside table.

It’s not rocket science. In fact pre Covid at all times of the year you couldn’t get a table outside places like the Bailey. Just from observation lol. Our local pub Restaurant had a great set up outside. Well heated, well lit, nice atmosphere under the circs.etc.

It’s the way forward now and the pubs/ restaurants should be badgering for this morning noon and night and grants to do it too. Adds atmosphere to a town/city. it’s a no brainer IMO.

Northern Europe in Winter are you sure about that?

3xh · 02-11-2020 10:34PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

You can get a haircut. I got one. You can too.

Would happily take a PM with a number!

bush · 02-11-2020 10:35PM

Who the hell is going to want to eat outside in the middle of winter in Ireland. Stop will ya

Allinall · 02-11-2020 10:37PM

bush wrote: »

Who the hell is going to want to eat outside in the middle of winter in Ireland. Stop will ya

You also have the choice to eat at home.

It’s not like you’ll starve.

Chalk McHugh · 02-11-2020 10:38PM

3xh wrote: »

Would happily take a PM with a number!

What part of the country are you in?

bush · 02-11-2020 10:40PM

Allinall wrote: »

You also have the choice to eat at home.

It’s not like you’ll starve.

Sure just shut down restaurants forever because you can eat at home

end of the road · 02-11-2020 10:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lots of people saying the vaccine won’t even provide immunity anyways and people will still be catching Covid.

What then? Level 3 forever? Wait for a better vaccine?

At any point will we accept that very very few are dying?

lots of people saying something is meaningless unless they are actually involved in the testing and making of the vaccine, which i would suspect they aren't.
deaths are only one factor out of many for which we have no option but to control the virus and minimise the spread, + few deaths is testament to the approach we are taking.

Thierry12 wrote: »

They gonna lay down drains too?

no just hire in a porter jax, job done.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So we can shift the blame for the HSEs criminal failure to increase ICU capacity in healthcare as advised, to the hospitality industry for not roofing the country?

no just implementing some simple practical measures so that the businesses could trade some little bit without relying on in doorr operations.

hmmm · 02-11-2020 10:44PM

bush wrote: »

Who the hell is going to want to eat outside in the middle of winter in Ireland. Stop will ya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOTyUfOHgas

Allinall · 02-11-2020 10:46PM

bush wrote: »

Sure just shut down restaurants forever because you can eat at home

Don’t be silly.

3xh · 02-11-2020 10:47PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What part of the country are you in?

Dublin.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 02-11-2020 10:48PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Outdoor dining in the cold, wet and dark-by-5pm of winter?

Seriously?

Personally I love a Saturday afternoon lunch with training buddies after sports training Saturday morning.

The darkness doesn't really matter at 1-2pm and a decent awning to protect from rain is grand.

iamwhoiam · 02-11-2020 10:48PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

All across Northern Europe towns and cities are geared up for outdoor eating and socialising, it is very popular and is well managed with blankets, heaters and awnings.

We can do it here too, but we need the co operation of local councils to allow pavement dining, instead of charging a premium per outside table.

It’s not rocket science. In fact pre Covid at all times of the year you couldn’t get a table outside places like the Bailey. Just from observation lol. Our local pub Restaurant had a great set up outside. Well heated, well lit, nice atmosphere under the circs.etc.

It’s the way forward now and the pubs/ restaurants should be badgering for this morning noon and night and grants to do it too. Adds atmosphere to a town/city. it’s a no brainer IMO.

There is a big difference between the dry cold in Northern Europe and the wet damp windy winter in Ireland .
I lived in Northern Europe with freezing winters and you could wrap up warm and cope with it . Its nothing like the wet damp that gets into your bones here

CalamariFritti · 02-11-2020 10:55PM

wtf are we talking about here?

What is happening is not so bad because we can do outdoor dining? Would you ever listen to yourselves?

Spanish Eyes · 02-11-2020 10:56PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Northern Europe in Winter are you sure about that?

Well I was Maastricht mid December a few years ago. Netherlands is COLD in Winter, but a lot of socialising happens outdoors, even in Winter. Was great fun. Family member was on the Erasmus there in the University. No one went into a pub, was all outdoors. But that was the young crowd. But I never felt cold at all. Places all geared up

Google or search map for Vrijthof Square if you want an idea of what I’m talking about.

FintanMcluskey · 02-11-2020 10:57PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

wtf are we talking about here?

Christmas dinner outside in Kilkee

GazzaL · 02-11-2020 10:57PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There is a big difference between the dry cold in Northern Europe and the wet damp windy winter in Ireland .
I lived in Northern Europe with freezing winters and you could wrap up warm and cope with it . Its nothing like the wet damp that gets into your bones here

100% accurate.

growleaves · 02-11-2020 10:57PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

wtf are we talking about here?

I LOL'd

Cluedo Monopoly · 02-11-2020 10:57PM

I drove 15km to have a swim in the sea yesterday. It was raining.

Did I enjoy it? No.

Was it cold? Baltic.

Will I do it again? Yes, December 1st.

Spanish Eyes · 02-11-2020 11:00PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

There is a big difference between the dry cold in Northern Europe and the wet damp windy winter in Ireland .
I lived in Northern Europe with freezing winters and you could wrap up warm and cope with it . Its nothing like the wet damp that gets into your bones here

Ah come on, don’t be so negative. There are solutions that will keep the rain and wind off you while still having heat and great ventilation.

Find solutions, not more bloody problems FGS!

ShyMets · 02-11-2020 11:02PM

Ok. So we roof off much off the city centre of Dublin so we can enjoy outdoor dining.

Yeah, I can see that working

iamwhoiam · 02-11-2020 11:03PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ah come on, don’t be so negative. There are solutions that will keep the rain and wind off you while still having heat and great ventilation.

Find solutions, not more bloody problems FGS!

I was giving facts . No need to be rude . Its a huge difference between damp cold and dry cold .

josip · 02-11-2020 11:03PM

Allinall wrote: »

Ever heard of awnings and heaters?

Go outside tonight and sit down without moving for an hour.
You'll soon realise that awnings and heaters are pointless in Ireland.

I was outside at training earlier on and as soon as you stop moving the wind strips the heat out of you.
And tonight is one of the better nights.

hmmm · 02-11-2020 11:17PM

Jim Cramer & co having a similar debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2irApQNDayc

Allinall · 02-11-2020 11:25PM

josip wrote: »

Go outside tonight and sit down without moving for an hour.
You'll soon realise that awnings and heaters are pointless in Ireland.

I was outside at training earlier on and as soon as you stop moving the wind strips the heat out of you.
And tonight is one of the better nights.

Why on earth would I do that?

josip · 02-11-2020 11:34PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well I was Maastricht mid December a few years ago. Netherlands is COLD in Winter, but a lot of socialising happens outdoors, even in Winter. Was great fun. Family member was on the Erasmus there in the University. No one went into a pub, was all outdoors. But that was the young crowd. But I never felt cold at all. Places all geared up

Google or search map for Vrijthof Square if you want an idea of what I’m talking about.

I spent a lot of time in Maastricht over 10 years and what you neglect to mention is that on that one side of Vrijthof, it's all restaurants/bars, so all the awnings are adjacent and it's a micro climate with the heaters.

stock-photo-bars-and-restaurants-at-vrijthof-square-heated-terraces-in-winter-53028172.html

All other bars/restaurants in Maastricht retreat indoors in the winter

Dublin is also 50% windier and 50% wetter than Maastricht in the winter time.

https://weatherspark.com/y/52489/Average-Weather-in-Maastricht-Netherlands-Year-Round
https://weatherspark.com/y/33845/Average-Weather-in-Dublin-Ireland-Year-Round

bikeman1 · 02-11-2020 11:46PM

I’ve been lucky enough to try loads of these outside drinking / dining areas around Europe that some are advocating.

The ones that are really good, you might as well be indoors, so not sure that will do the virus much good.

And please can we be realistic, the Irish weather is atrocious in the winter. Yes you can have some lovely bits in between, but a business has to be attractive 100% of the time to survive.

I had a brunch outside in Level 3 Dublin. The place was very very well set up, but after 10 minutes despite the food coming out piping hot was cold. That was at the start of October.

It’s not what people want.

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