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US Presidential Election 2020

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  • #9002
    JoeGil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    Water John wrote: »
    You must have missed the last two weeks.

    On the contrary, despite the media censorship of the corruption stories I've manged to stay updated on the details over the last few weeks.


  • #9003
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    JoeGil wrote: »
    On the contrary, despite the media censorship of the corruption stories I've manged to stay updated on the details over the last few weeks.

    Can you give us some examples of the media's censorship of the corruption stories?

    If you've heard about it then I'm guessing they weren't censored.


  • #9004
    JoeGil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    Graham wrote: »
    I didn't think there had been any significant changes.

    JoeGil, which polls have you seen tightening?

    The last one I saw was Iowa which changed from tied 4 weeks ago to Biden trailing by 7 points.


  • #9005
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,832 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    POLLSTER RATING TRUMP BIDEN LEADER
    Selzer & Co.
    A+
    Oct. 26-29 48% 41% Trump +7
    Quinnipiac University
    B+
    Oct. 23-27 47% 46% Trump +1
    Emerson College
    A-
    Oct. 29-31 49% 47% Trump +1
    Siena College/The New York Times Upshot
    A+
    Oct. 18-20 43% 46% Biden +3
    InsiderAdvantage
    B-
    Oct. 30 48% 46% Trump +2
    RABA Research
    B/C
    Oct. 21-24 46% 50% Biden +4
    Monmouth University
    A+
    Oct. 15-19 47% 51% Biden +4
    Emerson College
    A-
    Oct. 19-21 48% 48% Even +0

    This may not print right but one poll has Trump +7 and seems an outlier. Dangerous to compare diff polling cos but yes it seems tightening over time.


  • #9006
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    JoeGil wrote: »
    On the contrary, despite the media censorship of the corruption stories I've manged to stay updated on the details over the last few weeks.

    And yet you haven't noticed the coverage of massive, endemic corruption on the other side?


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  • #9007
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,448 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    L1011 wrote: »
    And yet you haven't noticed the coverage of massive, endemic corruption on the other side?
    It's one of those irregular verbs. He's corrupt, they're corrupted, we're really good.


  • #9008
    JoeGil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Can you give us some examples of the media's censorship of the corruption stories?

    If you've heard about it then I'm guessing they weren't censored.

    The interviews with the former Biden Family business associate Tony Bobulinski is a good place to start.


  • #9009
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    JoeGil wrote: »
    The last one I saw was Iowa which changed from tied 4 weeks ago to Biden trailing by 7 points.

    Sorry, when you said things were going to come down to the wire I didn't realise you were talking specifically about Iowa.

    Latest polls for Iowa

    Emerson College - Biden 47 / Trump 49
    InsiderAdvantage - Biden 46 / Trump 48

    It does look like Trump might take the State but probably still within the MOE.

    Cook political still have Iowa listed as a toss-up state.


  • #9010
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Water John wrote: »
    There was a Congressional candidate on the bus, that might explain FBI concern.

    Once there is a federal candidate/election on the ballot, an election - related crime in a state is a Federal crime.

    What now needs to be established is whether a crime actually took place. I hope the FBI will reach a very swift conclusion to that! Messages need to be sent before Tuesday that people stepping outside the law this week will be taken on!


  • #9011
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    JoeGil wrote: »
    The interviews with the former Biden Family business associate Tony Bobulinski is a good place to start.

    So are they censored or what?


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  • #9012
    JoeGil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    L1011 wrote: »
    And yet you haven't noticed the coverage of massive, endemic corruption on the other side?

    My point was just in relation to the story that broke in the last two weeks about the Biden dealings. I'm sure there is lots of corruption out there but this one is a big story that is just breaking and will influence some voters who are only now finding out.


  • #9013
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,832 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trump rally has a song playing ATM... the theme from The Titanic.


  • #9014
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    JoeGil wrote: »
    My point was just in relation to the story that broke in the last two weeks about the Biden dealings. I'm sure there is lots of corruption out there but this one is a big story that is just breaking and will influence some voters who are only now finding out.

    The story whimpered out over the last fortnight. The response so far appears to be a large collective nothing and no significant changes in any of the polls.

    Do you expect that to change in the final 48 hours?


  • #9015
    JoeGil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    So are they censored or what?

    By and large yes. Not being covered by most media outlets even though a story like this would normally be the main headine for all media outlets.


  • #9016
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    JoeGil wrote: »
    By and large yes. Not being covered by most media outlets even though a story like this would normally be the main headine for all media outlets.

    Censorship =/= not being covered

    I think you need to brush up on some definitions.

    If the story had any merit it might be covered, but there's a few other stories on the go this week you may have noticed.


  • #9017
    JoeGil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    Graham wrote: »
    The story whimpered out over the last fortnight. The response so far appears to be a large collective nothing and no significant changes in any of the polls.

    Do you expect that to change in the final 48 hours?

    It didn't whimper out. It just wasn't reported.
    I would expect voters who are just hearing the facts to be influenced.


  • #9018
    MJohnston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    JoeGil wrote: »
    By and large yes. Not being covered by most media outlets even though a story like this would normally be the main headine for all media outlets.

    Oh weird, it’s almost like it’s completely made up and the media know it.


  • #9019
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,448 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    Apparently the fella in closest truck whose numberplate was visible is known to police and was involved in previous attempt to run over protesters after being dishonorably discharged from military. There's quite a bit more interesting stuff on perpetrators over on r/politics

    But of course it could be wrong, innocent until proven guilty and all that, we will find out in few days.
    Judging by the amount of self-congratulatory and incriminating posts said person put on social media, the FBI will probably have it sorted during lunch break.


  • #9020
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    JoeGil wrote: »
    My point was just in relation to the story that broke in the last two weeks about the Biden dealings. I'm sure there is lots of corruption out there but this one is a big story that is just breaking and will influence some voters who are only now finding out.

    And as I said, anyone who would find Biden corrupt but consider Trump not corrupt is already voting for Trump. Yet you appeared extremely confused by that.


  • #9021
    JoeGil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭JoeGil


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Oh weird, it’s almost like it’s completely made up and the media know it.

    All I can say is that I heard the intreview with Bobulinski. He sounded genuine. Maybe the media know something he doesn't. Best to listen to the interview and decide.


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  • #9022
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,376 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    JoeGil wrote: »
    All I can say is that I heard the intreview with Bobulinski. He sounded genuine. Maybe the media know something he doesn't. Best to listen to the interview and decide.

    Have you heard the expression flogging a dead horse.


  • #9023
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    JoeGil wrote: »
    It didn't whimper out. It just wasn't reported.
    I would expect voters who are just hearing the facts to be influenced.

    What makes you think the story is going to get wider coverage in the next 48 hours to enable it to influence those that haven't already heard it?


  • #9024
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Will there be exit polls conducted on the 3rd?


  • #9025
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if Biden is corrupt or not.

    It's the US , assume all politicians are somewhat corrupt because there's no other way they could pay for the election campaigns.

    What matters is how corrupt they are.

    At this stage it looks like Trump a billionaire business man isn't even paying his bills to small businesses for essential services like providing ambulances and transport for people at out of town (because he allegedly doesn't pay the in-town ones) rallies.

    Anyone who read Michael Cohen's book knows there is a 100% chance that Trump is trying to shaft suppliers when and where he can. That book is littered with examples of him doing that, starting with Trump first getting Cohen to do a couple hundred hours work, while Cohen was working for another firm and was adding those hours to his billable summary for Trump and Trump just offered him a job, with less money than Cohen was making at the time and never paid the original bill.


  • #9026
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Will there be exit polls conducted on the 3rd?

    With the volume of early voting, they won't be any use.


  • #9027
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Graham wrote: »
    What makes you think the story is going to get wider coverage in the next 48 hours to enable it to influence those that haven't already heard it?

    They're praying for a James Comey to come save them again, but it hasn't happened and as you said is too late now.


  • #9028
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,725 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    JoeGil wrote: »
    By and large yes. Not being covered by most media outlets even though a story like this would normally be the main headine for all media outlets.

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/29/tony-bobulinski-hunter-biden-and-china-explainer/

    I've no idea about any interviews with Bobulinski, but this article on Politifact seems pretty comprehensive. They can't find anything worth making a fuss about. And in terms of Joe Biden, there doesn't seem to be anything at all. Fake news even.


  • #9029
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,436 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    JoeGil wrote: »
    All I can say is that I heard the intreview with Bobulinski. He sounded genuine. Maybe the media know something he doesn't. Best to listen to the interview and decide.

    Look if there was anything to these claims media would be all over it. Hillarys emails was a front page story on NY Times 13 out of last 14 days of 2016 campaign and they immediately dismiss Bobulinski claims

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/us/politics/bidens-china.html


  • #9030
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will it be possible to watch election coverage live on YouTube?

    Right now Sky News and ABC News are live on Youtube. I'd say there will be many more on Tuesday night.


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  • #9031
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,832 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Some states will be releasing the results from the early and post in ballots very soon after closing. That may help give some indication. For example they know the % registered as GOP, Dems and Ind of those who have voted that way. If there's a skew in either way that may show it, esp which way the Inds are breaking.


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