Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ashleigh1986 · 01-11-2020 11:06AM

We should have remained at level 3.
Gyms / hairdressers golf courses should be allowed open .
No house parties ...no gaa celebrations ...protect nursing homes ...monitor meat factories .
Sport is very important for peoples mental Health ( watching as well as playing ).
Having as much sport on tv is pure escapism from normal life and today we need that more than ever .

Zebra3 · 01-11-2020 01:26PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

I made the point on here a number of weeks ago after Level 3 + House visit restrictions were introduced that the government should wait 2/3 weeks and see the affect this would have in case numbers. Now, as this seems to be working well given our significant decrease in cases and stabilisation of hospital figures, the additional cost (+€1 billion) to the exchequer of moving from 3+ to 5 would seem to be a very expensive mistake, in my opinion.

Maybe i am in the minority and the €1 billion additional cost is more acceptable that the risk of waiting 2/3 weeks for Level 3+ results to manifest themselves but we certainly can’t continue with these type of costly mistakes if we are to assume that COVID is here for another few years, in my view.

Will you accept an increase of 20% on income tax bands to pay for this extra billion?

Or do you want someone else to pay for it?

SNNUS · 01-11-2020 01:45PM

amandstu wrote: »

Maybe that is what I heard.

So it would go against the restrictions to cycle out ,say to a distance of 8k?(I have heard of people doing this and I wasn't sure if it came under this reading or whether it was just someone pushing the envelope.)[/Q

Just cycle away and dont be worrying about whether you are 5 or 6 k from.

JRant · 01-11-2020 01:48PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I would class this statement as somewhat true.
But it is also worth noting that the timeing and level of Irish responses has been very good, and probably better than many other countries. Those with blowhard leader like the UK are clearly not doing it was competently, as they are always delayed by the bluster and bullish talk that works for them on many topics, but not with virus suppression.
We may also be the first to avoid the 'opening up' mistake committed everywhere in the summer and settle to a steady Level 3 type containment over the next year, acknowledging some sectors must be left mothballed in the long term. Countries with bluffer PMs are likely to still go through the boom and bust type cycles instead. And to their cost.

Where as we should just aim for the bust part for a year with level 3 restrictions?
Seems like something a person in a custy academia role would come out with.

WhiteMemento9 · 01-11-2020 01:48PM

Is this thread representative of public opinion do you think or did people on the other side give up posting in the thread? I used to post a bit to at least try and give opposing arguments but the thread is now so overrun with this anti lockdown stuff that I read a page or two, laugh, and hop out of the thread. The most off-putting thing is generally the very polar views without nuance in a situation that has so many grey areas. I don't think I have ever been as sure of anything in my life as some of these posters seem in this thread about an incredibly complex situation.

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 02:16PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Is this thread representative of public opinion do you think or did people on the other side give up posting in the thread? I used to post a bit to at least try and give opposing arguments but the thread is now so overrun with this anti lockdown stuff that I read a page or two, laugh, and hop out of the thread. The most off-putting thing is generally the very polar views without nuance in a situation that has so many grey areas. I don't think I have ever been as sure of anything in my life as some of these posters seem in this thread about an incredibly complex situation.

The public are still, in the main, in favour of restrictions. Before this latest lockdown, polling was showing consistent figures of around 60% wanting more restrictions and 20% wanting less restrictions. Of course, you'll get people that say, "I've never been polled in my life. They can't be accurate..."

Gael23 · 01-11-2020 02:39PM

I think something may have to give on the regulations around public transport if schools are to stay open

Captain_Crash · 01-11-2020 03:02PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The public are still, in the main, in favour of restrictions. Before this latest lockdown, polling was showing consistent figures of around 60% wanting more restrictions and 20% wanting less restrictions. Of course, you'll get people that say, "I've never been polled in my life. They can't be accurate..."

Where is this polling? If it’s RTE or The Irish Times ect you have to account for the demographic being polled! From my own social circle, I’d say we’re about 7 or 8 out of 10 against restrictions. I don’t think there is any widespread polling being conducted encompassing all demographics and stakeholders!

CruelSummer · 01-11-2020 03:06PM

JRant wrote: »

Where as we should just aim for the bust part for a year with level 3 restrictions?
Seems like something a person in a custy academia role would come out with.

Exactly - we need to live rather than exist for the next 6 months. I can see NPHET recommending level 3 for December if numbers stabilise. However this will still prohibit people travelling to see their relatives, no indoor dining either. Instead we need to acknowledge what Christmas is about & run a campaign to highlight at risk groups. Public information campaign also re how to safely visit at risk relatives. We need to live in reality, people are holding out at the moment through this level 5 with the expectation (perhaps unfounded as we are dealing with NPHET) that there will be a big reopening for Christmas.

CruelSummer · 01-11-2020 03:07PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Where is this polling? If it’s RTE or The Irish Times ect you have to account for the demographic being polled! From my own social circle, I’d say we’re about 7 or 8 out of 10 against restrictions. I don’t think there is any widespread polling being conducted encompassing all demographics and stakeholders!

When I watched the NPHET press conference Tuesday, they stated it was the Amárach polls they use which they base public opinion on...

JRant · 01-11-2020 03:53PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Exactly - we need to live rather than exist for the next 6 months. I can see NPHET recommending level 3 for December if numbers stabilise. However this will still prohibit people travelling to see their relatives, no indoor dining either. Instead we need to acknowledge what Christmas is about & run a campaign to highlight at risk groups. Public information campaign also re how to safely visit at risk relatives. We need to live in reality, people are holding out at the moment through this level 5 with the expectation (perhaps unfounded as we are dealing with NPHET) that there will be a big reopening for Christmas.

We need to get back to a situation whereby adults can assess the risks for themselves without this constant supervision.

If we need to have some level of restrictions to protect the health system then they should only be used when absolutely necessary. We are currently in a situation where they are using restrictions at the mere thought of a few extra people presenting in hospital. That's not good enough.

Micky 32 · 01-11-2020 04:22PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The public are still, in the main, in favour of restrictions. Before this latest lockdown, polling was showing consistent figures of around 60% wanting more restrictions and 20% wanting less restrictions. Of course, you'll get people that say, "I've never been polled in my life. They can't be accurate..."

60% not surprising to be honest with all the free money being currently handed out. Lets fast forward another year or 2 you reckon it will still be 60%?

JRant · 01-11-2020 04:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Inevitable. The world is in the middle of a pandemic where national govt choices are not that relevant when it comes to economic disruption and job losses. This occurs regardless. Only control of the virus can allow economic gains ie South Korea.

Without this control it will be rolling lockdowns for the next two years.

Death is inevitable.

What's happening now is wanten destruction of countless lives in a battle against an endemic virus that won't be stopped by lockdowns or restrictions.

Over 160 million spent on a tracing system that isn't anywhere fit for purpose. An additional 6 billion to the health system and not a single additional ICU bed created.

But, yeah, it's coffee shops and hairdressers that need shutting down. That'll show the virus who the boss is.

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 04:27PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Where is this polling? If it’s RTE or The Irish Times ect you have to account for the demographic being polled! From my own social circle, I’d say we’re about 7 or 8 out of 10 against restrictions. I don’t think there is any widespread polling being conducted encompassing all demographics and stakeholders!

The ESRI.

JRant · 01-11-2020 04:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

60% not surprising to be honest with all the free money being currently handed out. Lets fast forward another year or 2 you reckon it will still be 60%?

There has also been an unprecedented media campaign since March to keep the doom message front and center. Look at the money being pumped into the media by government and then the 60% figure makes perfect sense.

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 04:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

60% not surprising to be honest with all the free money being currently handed out. Lets fast forward another year or 2 you reckon it will still be 60%?

I really don't care. I only posted the figures.

Micky 32 · 01-11-2020 04:31PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I really don't care. I only posted the figures.

Well you seem to have cared to make the point regarding the figures

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 04:32PM

I should add that the ERSI had a fella on Newstalk discussing these figures a couple of weeks ago and surprisingly, it was the youngest demographic that were more likely to want more restrictions (I think it was the 18-25 age group from memory).

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 04:34PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well you seem to have cared to make the point regarding the figures

Someone asked what the public opinion was and I answered. I wasn't making a point. I really don't care.

Micky 32 · 01-11-2020 04:35PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Someone asked what the public opinion was and I answered. I wasn't making a point. I really don't care.

Of course not , the figures were only posted to suit one’s narrative.

Penfailed · 01-11-2020 04:37PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Of course not , the figures were only posted to suit one’s narrative.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go on then, what's my narrative?

Johnboy1951 · 01-11-2020 04:44PM

To those who track numbers, maybe some could provide the numbers for these please ......

number of people tested to date
% of those tested who were positive
% of those who tested positive (before hospitalisation) who required hospitalisation
% of those who tested positive (before hospitalisation) who required ICU
% of those who tested positive (before hospitalisation) who died

Do these figures exist in that form?

TomTomTim · 01-11-2020 05:04PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I should add that the ERSI had a fella on Newstalk discussing these figures a couple of weeks ago and surprisingly, it was the youngest demographic that were more likely to want more restrictions (I think it was the 18-25 age group from memory).

It's not surprising at all. Most of them would be heavy social media users, social media probably manages to out do the hysteria of MSM, which is no easy task.

Supercell · 01-11-2020 05:20PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

2 years haha

Its going to be over very soon, very

Germany have said the most vulnerable will all be vaccinated by end of December

Once thats done know one is gonna give a **** anymore

Watch the UK vaccinate all the vulnerable in December

Wont be another lockdown after that

This is the peak

Enjoy it Kermit

I am hoping and praying that you are right and the world can go back to normal again soon. I do think people will be surprised how quickly things do go back to the way they were once we have vaccine/s available. While initially some may be hesitant to take the vaccine i reckon if there are no issues after availability for a few months many will go ahead and get it for peace of mind.

I for one cannot wait to go on a foreign holiday with my family again, somewhere warm and sunny. Eat the local food, drink to much of the local wine and just relax and be thankful that its all over.

funnydoggy · 01-11-2020 05:33PM

Supercell wrote: »

I am hoping and praying that you are right and the world can go back to normal again soon. I do think people will be surprised how quickly things do go back to the way they were once we have vaccine/s available. While initially some may be hesitant to take the vaccine i reckon if there are no issues after availability for a few months many will go ahead and get it for peace of mind.

I for one cannot wait to go on a foreign holiday with my family again, somewhere warm and sunny. Eat the local food, drink to much of the local wine and just relax and be thankful that its all over.

Oh you and me both. Looking out the window to the stormy weather while I take a break from an assignment I'm doing about a travel company is not helping my wanderlust right now.

THANKFULLY it's very very likely that a vaccine is going to be here soon. Vulnerable people will get it first but once that's done, the sting is gone from the b*stard.

JRant · 01-11-2020 05:34PM

Supercell wrote: »

I am hoping and praying that you are right and the world can go back to normal again soon. I do think people will be surprised how quickly things do go back to the way they were once we have vaccine/s available. While initially some may be hesitant to take the vaccine i reckon if there are no issues after availability for a few months many will go ahead and get it for peace of mind.

I for one cannot wait to go on a foreign holiday with my family again, somewhere warm and sunny. Eat the local food, drink to much of the local wine and just relax and be thankful that its all over.

Same here, longing for a bit of normality to return and a nice family holiday away.

I really hope they prioritise the vulnerable groups first and foremost. For everyone else it should be an optional extra if vaccine supplies allow for it.

Plumbthedepths · 01-11-2020 05:34PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Oh you and me both. Looking out the window to the stormy weather while I take a break from an assignment I'm doing about a travel company is not helping my wanderlust right now.

THANKFULLY it's very very likely that a vaccine is going to be here soon. Vulnerable people will get it first but once that's done, the sting is gone from the b*stard.

Trip booked for next August. Will I get to go? No idea but certainly will give myself something to look forward too.

funnydoggy · 01-11-2020 05:36PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Trip booked for next August. Will I get to go? No idea but certainly will give myself something to look forward too.

I'm no betting man but that's pretty far away. I'd be packing already if I were you

Plumbthedepths · 01-11-2020 05:37PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

I'm no betting man but that's pretty far away. I'd be packing already if I were you

Have to wait to be able to buy clothes, apparently they're non essential. ;-)

funnydoggy · 01-11-2020 05:40PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Have to wait to be able to buy clothes, apparently they're non essential. ;-)

I was in M&S the day before yesterday in Cork and the queue system went through the clothes section, with a single solitary bit of tape between me and the clothes. Ridiculous

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings