Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

JRant

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I am sorry poster, but I must pull you up right there on that preposterous posting. Have you studied that data at all ? This is the very type of completely misleading, alarmist, and downright baseless type of misinformation it behoves us all to call out and work to improve the quality of information and understanding in the wider public. Please, I request you delete your posting. (it can be done in the 'edit' mode if you use the 'Go Advanced' function).

Hey, why don't you have a word with Prof Nolan there beside you and mention the same thing to him. Only Ferguson was more wrong but not by much. The good doctor Nolan was talking 80+ thousand deaths at the start. In fact the models have been consistently wrong, time and time again. According to Chairman CMO the "models" told him that level 3 wasn't enough to bring the numbers down, only stabilise them. The model was wrong, as per usual.

JRant

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m not sure if any on here saw the trailer to a new Michael Bay Covid movie, Songbird. It certainly didn’t run with a relaxation of restrictions into the future. Its storyline details Covid never left, it is now Covid 23. Not only is it a police state, it’s army state...the stuff of horrors.

I'd rather have COVID than watch a Michael Bay movie

virginmediapls

rusty cole wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/harris-agrees-unvaccinated-children-should-be-barred-from-school-1.3855556

He is 100% right. Absolutely and completely.

Unvaccinated kids, who's parents refuse to get them vaccinated, should not be allowed to attend schools.

Their parents should also be smacked and forced to read a book.

virginmediapls

Glad to see all the usual suspects are about, foaming at the mouth with vitriol. You'd think Tony Holohan had signed up to the nazi party reading some of the over-the-top nonsense being posted on here.

The restrictions aren't perfect, but they are in place to save lives. It could be your life, or a family members. Stop being so selfish. Get on with it.

Thierry12

virginmediapls wrote: »

He is 100% right. Absolutely and completely.

Unvaccinated kids, who's parents refuse to get them vaccinated, should not be allowed to attend schools.

Their parents should also be smacked and forced to read a book.

Why would a healthy child need a vaccine?

You vaccinate the unhealthy child

virginmediapls

Thierry12 wrote: »

Why would a healthy child need a vaccine?

You vaccinate the unhealthy child

I'm not sure you understand what a vaccination is.

patnor1011

virginmediapls wrote: »

He is 100% right. Absolutely and completely.

Unvaccinated kids, who's parents refuse to get them vaccinated, should not be allowed to attend schools.

Their parents should also be smacked and forced to read a book.

He was talking about MMR vaccines. How is that relevant to the current situation?

Thierry12

virginmediapls wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand what a vaccination is.

You don't

Answer my question

Why would a healthy child need a vaccine?

Tenzor07

JRant wrote: »

I'd rather have COVID than watch a Michael Bay movie

A vision of 2023?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjKq1NPXDDM

virginmediapls

Thierry12 wrote: »

You don't

Answer my question

Why would a healthy child need a vaccine?

So they don't catch a deadly disease and die. The MMR vaccine, for example.

Thierry12

virginmediapls wrote: »

So they don't catch a deadly disease and die.

Who's dieing?

virginmediapls

patnor1011 wrote: »

He was talking about MMR vaccines. How is that relevant to the current situation?

It's not. I am not the one who brought it up in the context of this discussion.

virginmediapls

Thierry12 wrote: »

Who's dieing?

Smallpox killed about 300 million. Measles killed about 200 million. Mumps and Rubella I don't have figures for, but....a lot of deaths have been prevented by proper usage, and majority uptake of vaccination.

patnor1011

virginmediapls wrote: »

It's not. I am not the one who brought it up in the context of this discussion.

He as a Harris.
Bringing up MMR vaccination in covid debate is muddying the water. They are completely different scenarios.

Thierry12

virginmediapls wrote: »

Smallpox killed about 300 million. Measles killed about 200 million. Mumps and Rubella I don't have figures for, but....a lot of deaths have been prevented by proper usage, and majority uptake of vaccination.

Thought you were on about Covid

virginmediapls

Thierry12 wrote: »

Thought you were on about Covid

That's only caused about 2000 deaths in Ireland thankfully. It would be a hell of a lot higher if it wasnt for the lockdowns though.

Hopefully we'll get an effective vaccine for it soon too, and put all this ****e behind us .

patnor1011

Thierry12 wrote: »

Thought you were on about Covid

That is understandable. We hear it from left and right about how the only vaccine is going to save us. Which is just a bad joke as there is no vaccine to this date which will offer any protection from contracting covid.

FrStone

virginmediapls wrote: »

Glad to see all the usual suspects are about, foaming at the mouth with vitriol. You'd think Tony Holohan had signed up to the nazi party reading some of the over-the-top nonsense being posted on here.

The restrictions aren't perfect, but they are in place to save lives. It could be your life, or a family members. Stop being so selfish. Get on with it.

Ah love, come off it! You do what you want to do and I'll continue to live my life.

At the moment that means to me that I won't be following all the restrictions, I will still be meeting up with friends, going to the pub (albeit through a side entrance), holidaying abroad and travelling more than 5kms to exercise.

I will continue to criticise Tony Holohan (along with NEPHET and others) for their silo approach, incorrect forecasts, incompetence and failings. You also have the right to defend them. You do not have the right to silence criticism.

patnor1011

virginmediapls wrote: »

That's only caused about 2000 deaths in Ireland thankfully. It would be a hell of a lot higher if it wasnt for the lockdowns though.

Hopefully we'll get an effective vaccine for it soon too, and put all this ****e behind us .

Nope. It was reported time and again that vaccines in test trials at this moment are not going to offer protection of any kind against contracting covid. They are aimed at the possibility of reducing symptoms and the severity of the disease.
Maybe the second or third generation of vaccines can offer some protection from contracting covid - that is if it will be possible to develop them. That still is many years in the future from now.

MelbourneMan

Tenzor07 wrote: »

It's been obvious since Holhan returned that this Level 5 lockdown is just the start...
They will do what the UK are doing now which is to completely abandon the "Living with Covid" levels and go straight to a complete lockdown, schools, construction sites and elite sports closed/suspended. Only supermarkets/pharmacies open. Off-licences with reduced hours, and a night time curfew also...
I would also guess that they will bring in a complete travel ban by bringing in some "emergency" law which "temporarily" suspends the right to leave the country...
Once there's some sort of a vaccine in the country they will make it mandatory also, just look at Harris' comments about unvaccinated kids in school.

This is going to be a long hard winter and Holohan won't be taking their foot off the Gas anytime soon... No Government minister/leader will stand up to them again after the Varadkar charade..

Hello. I am informed that my posting to you on the above was uncivil, and so apologise for any offence caused. You are of course free to state your views. I ask solely that you reflect deeply on the content of your post, and some of the aspects I have attempted to elucidate recently regarding this topic.

Plumbthedepths

virginmediapls wrote: »

He is 100% right. Absolutely and completely.

Unvaccinated kids, who's parents refuse to get them vaccinated, should not be allowed to attend schools.

Their parents should also be smacked and forced to read a book.

I refused to allow my son get vaccinated during the last pandemic because I felt the vaccine was rushed. I believe the HSE is still engaged in legal action regarding adverse affects from the vaccine.
I'm not an anti vaxxer but I'm happy to allow many thousands hold out their arms before I do or any of my family.

showpony1

What do people actually expect them to say for Xmas - at best its going to be "3 households can meet, no more than 6 people in the house".

Quantum Erasure

showpony1 wrote: »

What do people actually expect them to say for Xmas - at best its going to be "3 households can meet, no more than 6 people in the house".

I expect them to issue 'guidelines' that seem reasonable enough, and I don't expect many people to follow them to the letter.

Its Christmas, after a long hard year, case numbers will be down, hospitalisations / numbers in ICU should hopefully be down, go and meet with family/ friends. Enjoy yourself, wash your hands,

"3 households can meet, no more than 6 people in the house"
I'd expect that to be either / or. Ie, 3 households, no restrictions on numbers, or say 8 people from multiple households. If they're too restrictive most people will ignore the 'rules' and it'll just make a miserable Christmas for those that do try to follow them

Kermit.de.frog

All leisure air travel from England banned in new lock down.

https://www.independent.ie/business/world/johnson-bans-leisure-trips-in-new-blow-for-airlines-39694963.html

According to restrictions announced late Saturday, "overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed - including holidays in the UK and abroad."

All but essential shops will close, as will restaurants, bars and gyms, though schools and universities will remain open.

"Christmas is going to be different this year, very different, but it is my sincere hope and belief that by taking tough action now, we can allow families across the country to be together," Mr Johnson said.

Pretty much how it will be here imo.

3xh

virginmediapls wrote: »

Smallpox killed about 300 million. Measles killed about 200 million. Mumps and Rubella I don't have figures for, but....a lot of deaths have been prevented by proper usage, and majority uptake of vaccination.

It’s funny how some people in this discussion are allowed compare Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Smallpox to Covid and the proof of the need to vaccinate healthy children/people against Covid.

But when others say we don’t need to vaccinate healthy kids against Covid because we don’t vaccinate them against the Flu, they’re ridiculed.

The WHO, NPHET and all your alphabet heroes say children aren’t the issue here.

Can you admit to your mental gymnastics, virginmediapls?

Goldengirl

3xh wrote: »

It’s funny how some people in this discussion are allowed compare Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Smallpox to Covid and the proof of the need to vaccinate healthy children/people against Covid.

But when others say we don’t need to vaccinate healthy kids against Covid because we don’t vaccinate them against the Flu, they’re ridiculed.

The WHO, NPHET and all your alphabet heroes say children aren’t the issue here.

Can you admit to your mental gymnastics, virginmediapls?

You do know that all children from 2 to 12 being vaccinated for free with nasal flu vaccine in Ireland since this year ?

3xh

Goldengirl wrote: »

You do know that all children from 2 to 12 being vaccinated for free with nasal flu vaccine in Ireland since this year ?

I saw that being announced a few weeks ago, yes.

That’s a new thing. They didn’t do it last year. You think they only discovered this summer how to make a nasal flu vaccine?! Up until Covid arrived, it just somehow eluded their expertise?!

The experts in Pharma chose not to make it up to now because there was no need for one. Now, off the back of Covid fear, there’s money to be made in marketing the handiness and ‘ease’ in which to take it.

Have you a comment on how it’s disingenuous to link the vaccination of healthy children against MMR with Covid?

And just to clarify your point; not all 2 to 12 year olds are being vaccinated with this free nasal spray. It’s simply being bankrolled by the state for those parents who choose to allow their children to have it.

JRant

Goldengirl wrote: »

You do know that all children from 2 to 12 being vaccinated for free with nasal flu vaccine in Ireland since this year ?

That's because the flu can be dangerous to children, unlike COVID

Micky 32

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is understandable. We hear it from left and right about how the only vaccine is going to save us. Which is just a bad joke as there is no vaccine to this date which will offer any protection from contracting covid.

Once again ( unless you’re privileged to have inside info of data results from the companies that haven’t been released yet) there’s no way you could know this going by opinions being pulled from peoples hoops. I don’t care how educated, brilliant your experts are. I have a very high IQ and i haven’t a clue how the vaccines will pan out so neither do you.

TRANQUILLO

https://youtu.be/W0vL0281s5c

Professor Carl Hennigan says that the UK's projections are off by a significant amount.