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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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    #9272
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,495 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Are their hospitals overflowing etc like we always project here?

    Yes hospitals were overflowing in India

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-india-53014213
    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/5/26/hospitals-overwhelmed-as-coronavirus-cases-explode-in-india

    The answers to all your questions are widely and easily accessible , perhaps your question was not so genuine :)


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    #9273
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    niallo27 wrote:
    On the level 5 thing, we were told to wait 2 to 3 weeks for it to come into affect, is this information now incorrect.
    No, it's just them being careful how they explain things.
    The affects start from day 1, very minimal obviously and grow as time goes by, similar to how it spreads exponentially.
    They can't tell people this because then you'll have loads saying they are happy enough with the reduction in numbers and just ignore advice.
    We need to get to an R0 of .5,:we have a ways to go to achieve that, personally I think the schools have to close to get there, but things will just grow rapidly again if we don't get it down to .5.
    Even when we get there we have to change how we do things or we are facing further lockdowns.
    There's loads of obvious stuff like people working in shops and businesses all wearing masks. This belief that being behind a screen means it's ok to not have a mask on is delusional.


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    #9274
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    NI reports 8 deaths, 685 cases from 2972 tests.
    361 in hospital, 48 in ICU with 41 of them on ventilators


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    #9275
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Yes hospitals were overflowing in India

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-india-53014213
    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/5/26/hospitals-overwhelmed-as-coronavirus-cases-explode-in-india

    The answers to all your questions are widely and easily accessible , perhaps your question was not so genuine :)

    Nope, just asking a question for discussion, which is what boards.ie is for I thought.


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    #9276
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    CruelSummer wrote:
    So are you’re effectively saying that level 3 after six weeks of level 5, where the R0 has reduced to under 1 - will keep the numbers stable. This could well be true, but the Government also brought in a ban on household visits prior to the Level 5 announcement. People need to live rather than exist over the next 6 months - there needs to be an end game and longer term strategy. I don’t think people will take kindly to being separated at Christmas & will take chances. It could be an idea to highlight at risk groups & come up with strategies on how to see at risk relatives safely.
    Is the next six months more important than the long term? Why can't you just suffer through restrictions until we have a solution like a vaccine?
    It's not the end of the world and you are guaranteed to really enjoy true normality when it returns like a pint or a bar of chocolate after giving it up for a couple of months.

    And everybody is at risk. We've had people get the virus twice, some of whom were asymptomatic first time and suffered the second time. There's long covid too which is affecting asymptomatics as well as those who had symptoms. Nobody is guaranteed to be fine after they get this virus.


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    #9277
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    He said the child was a close contact weeks ago. Where's the irresponsibility?
    Not getting the second test to confirm negative
    Not telling me that they were close contacts
    Putting our vulnerable relatives at risk.

    Forgot to add as well, I've worked out during the fortnight the kid was off school they visited grandparents several times. Reason "because children clearly aren't spreaders".


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    #9278
    stephenjmcd
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Is the next six months more important than the long term? Why can't you just suffer through restrictions until we have a solution like a vaccine?
    It's not the end of the world and you are guaranteed to really enjoy true normality when it returns like a pint or a bar of chocolate after giving it up for a couple of months.

    And everybody is at risk. We've had people get the virus twice, some of whom were asymptomatic first time and suffered the second time. There's long covid too which is affecting asymptomatics as well as those who had symptoms. Nobody is guaranteed to be fine after they get this virus.

    Why can't you just suffer through... you know how bad that sounds right ?? A complete lack of empathy. Some people are finding this much more difficult second time around, a sentence like that doesn't help anyone. Its easier for some than it is for others.

    You also reference reinfection which so far is thankfully rare.


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    #9279
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Dr. De Gascun explaining at the moment, the outlook I have indicated to you all earlier. Level 3 effectively maintains an R0 of 1. A stable position can be sustained at this level, but not with greater relaxation of restriction. And on the other side, how a Level 3 type programme is not sufficient to suppress the virus once R0 exceeds one, and or, case numbers become, or are projected to become, higher than health care capacity can handle. You can listen back to it on the RTE radio player shortly :

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/

    and I shall be happy to answer any question here that people have on it. To avoid some of the repetition here and a constant answering of the same questions, a brief outline could perhaps be added to the helpful opening post on this thread that was written by the creators/moderators. It will help many people to a fuller understanding of the situation, and how it will be handled and affect their lives over the coming year.
    And yet the projections used were wrong, quite considerably so! Nolan himself has admitted there are things they don't understand about these last few weeks. As others have commented they didn't allow Level 3 time to do its thing. Where we are now is all Level 3 with enforcement. Level 5 of course will be the deemed the real reason why cases have fallen. That way it can be used again as a strategy!


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    #9280
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    stephenjmcd wrote:
    Why can't you just suffer through... you know how bad that sounds right ?? A complete lack of empathy. Some people are finding this much more difficult second time around, a sentence like that doesn't help anyone.
    It certainly helps the national health. It's less likely you'll have older relatives dying from Covid.
    Anybody who can't handle a bit of a lockdown has serious mental or addiction issues they need to get help with.
    stephenjmcd wrote:
    You also reference reinfection which so far is thankfully rare.
    Did I say it was commonplace?


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    #9281
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Not getting the second test to confirm negative
    Not telling me that they were close contacts
    Putting our vulnerable relatives at risk.

    Forgot to add as well, I've worked out during the fortnight the kid was off school they visited grandparents several times. Reason "because children clearly aren't spreaders".

    Aren't we being advised to treat everyone as carriers?
    Personally I would go with assess what level of risk you are ok with and act accordingly. If you go to different house wear a mask and gloves and advise whomever you are going to to wear a mask aswell. The other option is to never visit anyone until a vaccine is delivered and proven effective.
    Genuinely not being a smartass.


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    #9282
    stephenjmcd
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    It certainly helps the national health. It's less likely you'll have older relatives dying from Covid.
    Anybody who can't handle a bit of a lockdown has serious mental or addiction issues they need to get help with.


    Did I say it was commonplace?

    I'm not disagreeing it helps the national health but some people find isolation difficult, they might not have the social circle or family that you or I might have. It was much easier in the summer with longer days and nice weather for large parts of lockdown to start with.

    Its quite ignorant to say that someone who can't handle lockdown has serious mental issues. Everyone's different and can or can't handle certain situations, its not a one size fits all.


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    #9283
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I genuinely don't understand this desire to compare deaths from certain periods in time.

    If it makes a good doom and gloom misery post sure why not.


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    #9284
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭Christy42


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I'm not disagreeing it helps the national health but some people find isolation difficult, they might not have the social circle or family that you or I might have.

    Its quite ignorant to say that someone who can't handle lockdown has serious mental issues. Everyone's different and can or can't handle certain situations, its not a one size fits all.

    I agree it doesn't need to be serious to have issues with lockdown. Though I feel like there is still stigma against getting counselling anything not serious. Having someone to chat to and someone to listen could be of great benefit to many but then I am unsure what the system can cope with generally.


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    #9285
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    rest are out of their depth
    I'd have grave concerns about the sanity of anyone who felt leading a country out of a pandemic was "within their depth".


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    #9286
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Christy42 wrote:
    I agree it doesn't need to be serious to have issues with lockdown. Though I feel like there is still stigma against getting counselling anything not serious. Having someone to chat to and someone to listen could be of great benefit to many but then I am unsure what the system can cope with generally.
    Yes, there's a huge stigma attached tobgetting any help for mental issues in this country.
    I'm always telling people that mental issues are just like any other illness, if you are not improving you go get help.


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    #9287
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    eagle eye wrote: »
    It certainly helps the national health. It's less likely you'll have older relatives dying from Covid.
    Anybody who can't handle a bit of a lockdown has serious mental or addiction issues they need to get help with.


    Did I say it was commonplace?

    What about the people out of work and have mortgages to pay and families. Your coming across very badly here.


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    #9288
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Aren't we being advised to treat everyone as carriers?
    Personally I would go with assess what level of risk you are ok with and act accordingly. If you go to different house wear a mask and gloves and advise whomever you are going to to wear a mask aswell. The other option is to never visit anyone until a vaccine is delivered and proven effective.
    Genuinely not being a smartass.
    Yeah that's pretty fair. Gave me pause anyway. I had a mask and gloves but would definitely not have entered the house had I known the child was a close contact. Lesson learned, I'm going to have to arrange cover for looking after the other members of my family while I make sure I don't have it this week. Probably overly cautious but it could have been avoided if they were upfront about their situation at the time.


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    #9289
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,505 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Anybody who can't handle a bit of a lockdown has serious mental or addiction issues they need to get help with.

    That's more than a bit disingenuous. Personally I have no problem not socialising for a few weeks. I'm also lucky enough to have my wife sharing my day. But there are many who need company. To expect everybody to be comfortable isolating themselves for six weeks is one thing. To state that those who aren't comfortable with it have mental health or addiction problems is offensive and myopic.


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    #9290
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Dr. De Gascun explaining at the moment, the outlook I have indicated to you all earlier. Level 3 effectively maintains an R0 of 1. A stable position can be sustained at this level, but not with greater relaxation of restriction. And on the other side, how a Level 3 type programme is not sufficient to suppress the virus once R0 exceeds one, and or, case numbers become, or are projected to become, higher than health care capacity can handle. You can listen back to it on the RTE radio player shortly :

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/

    and I shall be happy to answer any question here that people have on it. To avoid some of the repetition here and a constant answering of the same questions, a brief outline could perhaps be added to the helpful opening post on this thread that was written by the creators/moderators. It will help many people to a fuller understanding of the situation, and how it will be handled and affect their lives over the coming year.

    "We won't have seen the full impact of Level 5 yet,"

    Why would we have seen any impact of level 5 at this stage?

    It's only been in 11 days at midnight tonight


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    #9291
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,495 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://tass.com/world/1163989

    Armenia median age 35 yr
    Ireland median age 33yr

    Armenia hospital beds 4.2 per 1000, 12500 total
    Ireland hospital beds 2.3 per 1000, 14,000 total (this was 2018, couldn't find anything more up to date)
    (Despite Ireland having 60% larger population)

    5 weeks ago Armenia's epidemic was totally under control after having suffered a first wave with a similar number of deaths per capita as us. In mid september the 3 day average deaths was just 1-2, this has climbed to 32 deaths now, equivalent of 53 deaths per day here.
    Now they do not have the capacity to hospitalise all COVID patients arriving .
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/armenia/#:~:text=Armenia%20Coronavirus%3A%2092%2C254%20Cases%20and%201%2C363%20Deaths%20%2D%20Worldometer

    Shows exactly how real the potential threat is of large loss of life and healthcare service catastrophe within a demographic and circumstances very comparable to our own. The large outbreak there coincided with the war in Armenia so also goes to show just how many lives our current restrictions and social distancing initiatives are saving.


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    #9292
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,505 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    "We won't have seen the full impact of Level 5 yet,"

    Why would we have seen any impact of level 5 at this stage?

    It's only been in 11 days at midnight tonight

    They reckon 14 days for full impact but 7 to 10 days will or should show some early signs.


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    #9293
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    They reckon 14 days for full impact but 7 to 10 days will or should show some early signs.

    Simon Harris was saying level 5 was working before even 7 days had passed.


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    #9294
    Golfman64
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Simon Harris was saying level 5 was working before even 7 days had passed.

    Simon Harris also said that COVID-19 was the 19th Coronavirus.

    It would seem fairy clear that Level 3+ with home visiting restrictions was working. The current Level 5 has not been in place long enough to start yielding results yet.


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    #9295
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭Worztron


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Just keep the door locked!

    What?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #9296
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Harris thought there have been 18 other coronaviruses lol

    It seems they're scrambling to justify pushing the nuclear button so early on going to level 5


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    #9297
    Worztron
    Registered Users Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭Worztron


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Potentially yes. Masks will stop the main droplets but your typical surgical masks are still 'leaky', so some viral load could escape. It'd come down to how long you were in close contact for and ventilation in the room.
    Also, how much viral load being shed - presymptomatic people seem to shed more than those who remain totally asymptomatic, but it's not certain.

    Thanks, odyssey06. I ask as I still see people sitting right behind others on the bus to work. They have a mask but there's still a danger of passing on CV19 as you explained.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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    #9298
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Harris thought there have been 18 other coronaviruseslol

    It seems they're scrambling to justify pushing the nuclear button so early on going to level 5

    Level 3+ wasn't given a chance, 10's of thousands thrown out of work, an extra 2 billion of debt down solely to Holohans hysterics and a government afraid not to follow Nphet's advice.


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    #9299
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Anyone know current turn around times for tests in dublin at the minute?


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    #9300
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And yet the projections used were wrong, quite considerably so! Nolan himself has admitted there are things they don't understand about these last few weeks. As others have commented they didn't allow Level 3 time to do its thing. Where we are now is all Level 3 with enforcement. Level 5 of course will be the deemed the real reason why cases have fallen. That way it can be used again as a strategy!

    Hello. You are quite right that Level 5 is not really a strategy, and could be thought of by the layperson as more of an emergency stop lever. All efforts are now to communicate the necessity of a long term Level 3 with minor adjustments, to minimise the chances of us having to pull that lever again. Unfortunately even that strategy has some very difficult consequences for some members of our society and economy, and we will need a very strong sense of social solidarity, economic support programme, and political leadership to navigate that path. We will see this roll out in the coming two months.


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    #9301
    [Deleted User]
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Is the next six months more important than the long term? Why can't you just suffer through restrictions until we have a solution like a vaccine?
    It's not the end of the world and you are guaranteed to really enjoy true normality when it returns like a pint or a bar of chocolate after giving it up for a couple of months.

    And everybody is at risk. We've had people get the virus twice, some of whom were asymptomatic first time and suffered the second time. There's long covid too which is affecting asymptomatics as well as those who had symptoms. Nobody is guaranteed to be fine after they get this virus.

    What if it's 2022 and there is no suitable vaccine?


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