Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

KrustyUCC

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Level 3+ wasn't given a chance, 10's of thousands thrown out of work, an extra 2 billion of debt down solely to Holohans hysterics and a government afraid not to follow Nphet's advice.

Even before Level three was tried it was decided from NPHET that level three wouldn't work

Level 4 wouldn't either

Only level 5 would get the desired results which is why on a Sunday night NPHET pushed for going straight from level 2 to 5

ongarite

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI reports 8 deaths, 685 cases from 2972 tests.
361 in hospital, 48 in ICU with 41 of them on ventilators

Cases look low but it's still way out of control in NI.
I may be wrong but is that a positivity rate over 20%.
That's over 4X higher than Ireland which means daily cases could be near 2500.

Wolf359f

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://tass.com/world/1163989

Armenia median age 35 yr
Ireland median age 33yr

Armenia hospital beds 4.2 per 1000, 12500 total
Ireland hospital beds 2.3 per 1000, 14,000 total (this was 2018, couldn't find anything more up to date)
(Despite Ireland having 60% larger population)

5 weeks ago Armenia's epidemic was totally under control after having suffered a first wave with a similar number of deaths per capita as us. In mid september the 3 day average deaths was just 1-2, this has climbed to 32 deaths now, equivalent of 53 deaths per day here.
Now they do not have the capacity to hospitalise all COVID patients arriving .
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/armenia/#:~:text=Armenia%20Coronavirus%3A%2092%2C254%20Cases%20and%201%2C363%20Deaths%20%2D%20Worldometer

Shows exactly how real the potential threat is of large loss of life and healthcare service catastrophe within a demographic and circumstances very comparable to our own. The large outbreak there coincided with the war in Armenia so also goes to show just how many lives our current restrictions and social distancing initiatives are saving.

I don't think people realise that the exponential rise in cases can and does translate into exponential rise in hospital admissions. You could double your hospital and ICU capacity, but if the cases are left unchecked, you only buy yourself an extra 2 weeks without restrictions.
After which, it's another lockdown round to get cases under control.

The way some posters complain about the situation in Ireland but we are no different than other European countries which are now entering another lockdown.

rahmalec

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. You are quite right that Level 5 is not really a strategy, and could be thought of by the layperson as more of an emergency stop lever. All efforts are now to communicate the necessity of a long term Level 3 with minor adjustments, to minimise the chances of us having to pull that lever again. Unfortunately even that strategy has some very difficult consequences for some members of our society and economy, and we will need a very strong sense of social solidarity, economic support programme, and political leadership to navigate that path. We will see this roll out in the coming two months.

That’s fine, however we would need to see a subsidy of 80 to 90% of 2019 turnover for businesses forced to close long term, for years if needs be. This would be paid for by a tax levied on all those raking it in working from home.

Wolf359f

ongarite wrote: »

Cases look low but it's still way out of control in NI.
I may be wrong but is that a positivity rate over 20%.
That's over 4X higher than Ireland which means daily cases could be near 2500.

Very similar hospital and ICU figures compared to Ireland though. That's with a 20% positivity rate compared to our 5%. So it doesn't seem to match up. It's certainly a strange one.

Stheno

rahmalec wrote: »

That’s fine, however we would need to see a subsidy of 80 to 90% of 2019 turnover for businesses forced to close long term, for years if needs be. This would be paid for by a tax levied on all those raking it in working from home.

Raking it in???

niallo27

Wolf359f wrote: »

I don't think people realise that the exponential rise in cases can and does translate into exponential rise in hospital admissions. You could double your hospital and ICU capacity, but if the cases are left unchecked, you only buy yourself an extra 2 weeks without restrictions.
After which, it's another lockdown round to get cases under control.

The way some posters complain about the situation in Ireland but we are no different than other European countries which are now entering another lockdown.

I'm not saying icu numbers will not rise but while cases were rising exponentially the icu numbers were not, if they were with the lag we should over 150 in our icu today.

normanoffside

GT89 wrote: »

Ronaldo knows it's bs now too
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/cristiano-ronaldo-coronavirus-test-positive-symptoms-pcr-juventus-vs-barcelona-b1397080.html

Just back today after almost 3 weeks off with Covid.
Came on with half an hour to go and scored 2 goals.

Doesn't seem to be suffering with Long Covid anyway.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1322943895504900117

vienne86

Dublin still stubbornly high at 173.

funnydoggy

Have they released recovery figures lately?

hynesie08

173 in Dublin, not as good a % as previous days but the numbers are dropping.

WoollyRedHat

The reclassification of how Covid cases are counted as highlighted by EOD earlier today, without clear communication to the public, seems underhanded by government, NPHET and the HSE. At least we will now get a better idea of numbers of cases of we are posting on a daily basis that represents a transmission risk.

ETA: Twitter post is misleading, there has been no reclassification and they were basing their assumptions on a HSPC proposal document from 8th October.

Rob A. Bank

Confronting Misinformation

"How to protect society from fear, lies and division"

A very useful resource to help confront the nonsense, misinformation and bull$hit which pollutes this and other online forums, from today's Scientific American Journal.

bb1234567

19 deaths in the North this weekend , just 7 for us, despite 3x times the population. NI is a good control group demonstrating how **** it could get

Spanish Eyes

Is the NI Executive not considering a lockdown like in England and Wales, not sure about Scotland.

Very irresponsible if not. But that place is a basket case anyway, and the open border is not helping us down here either. We should all be on the same page Island wise, but once again the divisions outweigh the common good of all.

What is the point of Stormont if they are just doing nothing about the disgraceful numbers up there.

KrustyUCC

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

The reclassification of how Covid cases are counted as highlighted by EOD earlier today, without clear communication to the public, seems underhanded by government, NPHET and the HSE. At least we will now get a better idea of numbers of cases of we are posting on a daily basis that represents a transmission risk.

How has that changed?

440Hertz

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Is the NI Executive not considering a lockdown like in England and Wales, not sure about Scotland.

Very irresponsible if not. But that place is a basket case anyway, and the open border is not helping us down here either. We should all be on the same page Island wise, but once again the divisions outweigh the common good of all.

What is the point of Stormont if they are just doing nothing about the disgraceful numbers up there.

They could well end up with loss of access to Britain and the Republic the way things are going if they don't get this under control.

Windmill100000

552 cases
2 deaths

Plumbthedepths

440Hertz wrote: »

They could well end up with loss of access to Britain and the Republic the way things are going if they don't get this under control.

Loss of access to the Republic? This will be achieved how?

Jim_Hodge

Any breakdown by County for today's cases?

440Hertz

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Loss of access to the Republic? This will be achieved how?

Same as inter county travel is currently banned in the Republic to contain this. I can't see how we can just go on treating NI cars as some kind of special class with more rights than our own residents.

You can't drive from Kildare to Dublin at the moment without an essential purpose to do so, yet somehow it's fine to drive from Derry to Dublin?

There are currently internal travel restrictions within the UK too and if Northern Ireland is continuously a hot spot, they will simply apply those rules.

Stheno

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Any breakdown by County for today's cases?

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1322945653274718211?s=19

Plumbthedepths

440Hertz wrote: »

Same as inter county travel is currently banned in the Republic to contain this. I can't see how we can just go on treating NI cars as some kind of special class with more rights than our own residents.

You can't drive from Kildare to Dublin at the moment without an essential purpose to do so, yet somehow it's fine to drive from Derry to Dublin?

People are banned from lots of things yet still do them.
Many from the north work in the south and work is essential travel.

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

How has that changed?

Apparently they no longer count positives that are detected over 30 cycles of testing, they retest them to confirm

Above a cycle of 30 there are very small.amounts of virus iirc

Sorry for the crude explanation

funnydoggy

Stheno wrote: »

Apparently they no longer count positives that are detected over 30 cycles of testing, they retest them to confirm

Above a cycle of 30 there are very small.amounts of virus iirc

Sorry for the crude explanation

Does this mean that asymptomatic people won't be counted and told they're negative?

Spanish Eyes

440Hertz wrote: »

They could well end up with loss of access to Britain and the Republic the way things are going if they don't get this under control.

I have to say I am baffled at the inertia up there. The cases are astronomical population wise. WTF are they thinking?

But maybe the natives are not used to observing any rules or something, and just do their own thing no matter what. Sorry for the border areas who are observing things in ROI. What a mess.

440Hertz

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

People are banned from lots of things yet still do them.
Many from the north work in the south and work is essential travel.

I'm really gone beyond caring at this stage. This lockdown is costing us billions upon billions to achieve, there are lives being lost, people's businesses, social lives and everything else turned upside down and inside out, yet you've people seem to want to continuously just pretend that everything has to go on as normal because they're somehow special, or live in a political bubble of la la land.

There's a practical problem to be solved here and some of us seem to be determined, much like our American cousins, to just burry our heads in the sand, run around in circles, be offended by absolutely everything and come up with 1001 reasons why it's impossible.

If there's a restriction on travel between Donegal and Sligo there can be one between Donegal and Derry or Leitrim and Fermanagh.

I can't go to Kerry form Cork at the moment. I can't go to Tipperary or Dublin or anywhere else.

Yet the North can't seem to get it together to cooperate because they're led by people who can't see past sectarian divides and paranoid bubbles of political garbage that belongs in the past.

I'm fed up with the whole lot of it - absolutely sick to the back teeth of the whole thing.

Seems we will never be out of this stupid mess because everyone's either off in their stupid internet bubbles following some idiot in the US or they're outraged about absolute everything or a small % just don't give a .... and will continue to just undo it over and over and over.

This is the worst crisis we or the Western World has has to deal with since WWII, yet it's just going along in this endless bubble of unreality.

I donno, maybe humans are so stupid that they'll just wipe themselves out. Seems to be fairly inevitable if we can't even get our act together on dealing with a virus.

Stheno

funnydoggy wrote: »

Does this mean that asymptomatic people won't be counted and told they're negative?

No idea tbh

Dr. Bre

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