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Labour's Corbyn suspended for reaction to anti-semitism report

  • 31-10-2020 12:17pm
    #1
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The old thread on his anti-Semitism is now archived

    In UK the Equality and Human Rights Commission have found Labour guilty of unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination against Jews.

    The EHRC found that Labour was responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act (2010) relating to political interference in antisemitism complaints; a failure to provide adequate training to those handling antisemitism complaints; and harassment.

    Throughout the Corbyn period, Jews were often asked why they were making such a fuss about all this: after all, Labour was hardly about to whip up pogroms.

    Current leader Keir Starmer suspended Corbyn yesterday.


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  • #2
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Ah Jeremy. To think he wasn’t that far, due to circumstances, from being the British PM. He reminds me of a character from viz. Millie Tant crossed with Student Grant.

    A friend of uncle Gerry. That’s all I need to know to judge a man. He will go down with red Ken and that jock mate of saddams as being exhibits A, B and C as why exactly why the Labour Party has lost the plot.... As well as their heartlands.


  • #3
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,537 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's great to see the new leader take decisive action on this. The first step to Labour winning and recovering their northern base is to actually act on antisemitism and the toxic Corbynistas who'd happily spend decades in opposition if it meant remaining ideologically pure. These people need putting back in their box ASAP or, ideally booting out altogether. Brexit has happened. They need to get themselves ready for 2025 and this is a solid first step in that direction.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    A nice guy, but a very incompetent leader, from Trident with no missiles to Brexit, his inability to make a decision knew no bounds.


  • #5
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,537 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Paul Hudson wrote: »
    I think most people couldn't care less about his supposed anti semitism. It was his out dated socialism that sank him.

    I don't think it was that. It was his endless prevaricating on Brexit. Initially, they bleated on and on about respecting the result when there was already a Brexit party in the Conservatives so that just won them cynicism from the centre-left and liberals. Then they pivoted towards a second referendum which cost them the north. Worst of both worlds there. Pick a side and stick to it.

    For a progressive party, the antisemitism thing stinks. You expect all sorts of closeted bigots, racists and xenophobies in the Conservative party but not Labour.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #6
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    An incompetent leader who relegated labour to the opposition for a decade with his attempt to bring labour to the far left and his apologism for terrorists and support for anti semitism. Should have been suspended long ago


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  • #7
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    I've asked a number of times, and never got an answer...What exactly did corbyn do that was anti-semitic...aside from criticizing Isreal*


    *which isn't anti-semitic


  • #8
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,062 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    He has been suspended for his comment after the report release, not anti semitism but it suits a narrative often told. He was also correct.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #9
    MontgomeryClift
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭MontgomeryClift


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    I've asked a number of times, and never got an answer...What exactly did corbyn do that was anti-semitic...aside from criticizing Isreal*


    *which isn't anti-semitic

    Apart from saying something complimentary about an artist who painted a mural depicting old men lording it over the poor of the world, nothing.

    It's interesting that Jewish pressure groups saw a mural depicting Freemasonry, Illuminati symbolism, overwhelming wealth, and said, "Hey, that's us."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Humanity

    After that he wasn't sufficiently deferential to Jewish pressure groups, and stated that he would continue to be critical of Israel, so Jewish pressure groups (who don't possess disproportionate power, because it would be "antisemitic" to say that they do) had him ousted and replaced by a Zionist who has a Jewish wife.


  • #10
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Kinnock had to rid the Labour Party of the loony left as well. It’s a positive step.

    https://youtu.be/v9d7ahKWcsM


  • #11
    Damon Zealous Neurology
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Damon Zealous Neurology


    Dog and pony show.

    Warmongers run amok but a man that is lifelong anti-war and anti-bigotry gets suspended.


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  • #12
    Damon Zealous Neurology
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Damon Zealous Neurology


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    I've asked a number of times, and never got an answer...What exactly did corbyn do that was anti-semitic...aside from criticizing Isreal*


    *which isn't anti-semitic

    I'd get comfy if I were you.


  • #13
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd get comfy if I were you.

    Because i'll be waiting for a genuine example is it?


  • #14
    Damon Zealous Neurology
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Damon Zealous Neurology


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Because i'll be waiting for a genuine example is it?

    Precisely :)


  • #15
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    The looney left, far left?

    You do realise that they are called the Labour party? They are meant to be left wing?


  • #16
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.


  • #17
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    He has been suspended for his comment after the report release, not anti semitism but it suits a narrative often told. He was also correct.

    I was wondering what line his cheerleaders on here would take.


  • #18
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,062 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.

    Then a few short months later they had the chancellor in an animation as a super hero. All in our minds though, there's no media bias.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #19
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,062 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    I was wondering what line his cheerleaders on here would take.

    Yeah facts are so last year, or did you not know the reason the Labour party gave for his suspension?

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #20
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    The looney left, far left?

    You do realise that they are called the Labour party? They are meant to be left wing?

    Its a clever sort of optical trick. Everybody else moves right and the media with it, shifting the overton window rightwards ever more, and the poor schmucks standing still on the left, with their radical demands for better services and less poverty, get to be characterised as the hard/looney/far left. Delete as you seem appropriate.


  • #21
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.

    Do the centre in Germany want to seize peoples property like Corbyn did after Grenfell? If they do they aren't in the centre, as taking the property of others is hardly moderate, regardless of the justification.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/jeremy-corbyns-call-seize-rich-peoples-houses-grenfell-victims/

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • #22
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Its a clever sort of optical trick. Everybody else moves right and the media with it, shifting the overton window rightwards ever more, and the poor schmucks standing still on the left, with their radical demands for better services and less poverty, get to be characterised as the hard/looney/far left. Delete as you seem appropriate.

    The media is not shifting right, media and corporate PR are all firmly moving left


  • #23
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He is anti semitic in the way the modern left can only be, driven by identity and grouping people in to hierarchies. Different to talk of their genetics etc.

    He certainly allowed views that were out and out dog whistle to overt jew baiting.

    He just framed it into his narrative and excused it that way.

    He had to go, he was politically toxic and his often snobbish and arrogant supporters need to go as well if Labour are to have any chance in regaining the working class.


  • #24
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    Yeah facts are so last year, or did you not know the reason the Labour party gave for his suspension?

    Deny. Deny. Deny.


  • #25
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,062 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Deny. Deny. Deny.

    Derp. Derp. Derp.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54730425

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #26
    Skeetur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Skeetur


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    aside from criticizing Isreal*

    *which isn't anti-semitic

    Therin lies the problem. Until you stop looking at the world rationally and logically and start looking at it through the eyes of someone blinded by their own victim complex you'll never see the anti senitism...


  • #27
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The media is not shifting right, media and corporate PR are all firmly moving left

    That's interesting because we've just had a party espousing true left wing values and for much of the past 5 years we've seen the msm, including supposed lefty titles, basically shat on it from a great height. I wouldn't mistake any perceived concession to pc or "wokeism" as evidence of any shift to the left. The truth is they hate the left because they see it as a threat to the establishment they are a firm part of. Once labour proves it is no threat, as Blair did, they will be accepted. And, now that Times Radio is on board, and we get Andrew Neil's new station next year, i'm sure that firm shift leftwards will gather pace.


  • #28
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    The thread title is just misleading so its being changed.


  • #29
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Hmm ok.

    Anyway
    Mr Corbyn now faces an investigation, but has refused to retract the comments that sparked such furore among senior party figures.
    https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-fight-suspension-from-labour-over-antisemitism-report-reaction-12117833


  • #30
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.

    Unusual for the BBC. They are full of lefties. Maybe someone was sick that day.

    Useful idiot is how I would describe steptoe.


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  • #31
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Paul Hudson wrote: »
    I think most people couldn't care less about his supposed anti semitism. It was his out dated socialism that sank him.

    i would agree it is very clear that a hell of a lot of people didn't give a damn about his non-existant anti-semitism given they voted for a party with a leader who is openly islamaphobic, as for the home secretry, well that's another discussion.
    interestingly the conservative party are happy to be socialist when it suits them, very socialist in fact but mainly to 1 section of society, those who least need help.
    those who voted for them don't actually have a problem with socialism, whether many of them of course actually know that they don't have a problem with it or not is a different story though.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    An incompetent leader who relegated labour to the opposition for a decade with his attempt to bring labour to the far left and his apologism for terrorists and support for anti semitism. Should have been suspended long ago


    what support for anti-semitism would this be? his multiple condemnations and large scale attempt to actually remove it from the party which was stifled at every opportunity by those who could not accept his election as leader? his campaign throughout his lifetime against every possible ism?
    and lets not forget that the conservatives have been very happy to support terrorism and even fund it when it suits them, so anyone who voted for that party because they are apparently against anti-semitism or talking to terrorists certainly have no moral high ground what soever.
    at least corbyn's dealings with terrorist groups were to at least try and bring about some sort of resolution.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dog and pony show.

    Warmongers run amok but a man that is lifelong anti-war and anti-bigotry gets suspended.


    that's exactly it.
    ah well at least they got borris the stooj and the actual leader cummings, so i'm sure those who left labour and voted for a party who has done everything in it's power to deprive them are very happy.
    Danzy wrote: »
    He is anti semitic in the way the modern left can only be, driven by identity and grouping people in to hierarchies. Different to talk of their genetics etc.

    He certainly allowed views that were out and out dog whistle to overt jew baiting.

    He just framed it into his narrative and excused it that way.

    He had to go, he was politically toxic and his often snobbish and arrogant supporters need to go as well if Labour are to have any chance in regaining the working class.

    his supporters apart from the odd few were in no way snobbish or arrogant. factual, absolutely but facts are what are needed, not slogans.
    unless they decide themselves to leave and split the party they won't be going anywhere thankfully and there is nothing starmer can do about it.
    if that means multiple decades of tory destruction then maybe that is the medicine that is needed to force much of the public in britain to get a grip, bad medicine as it will absolutely be.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #32
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    end of the road wrote: »
    i would agree it is very clear that a hell of a lot of people didn't give a damn about his non-existant anti-semitism given they voted for a party with a leader who is openly islamaphobic, as for the home secretry, well that's another discussion.
    interestingly the conservative party are happy to be socialist when it suits them, very socialist in fact but mainly to 1 section of society, those who least need help.
    those who voted for them don't actually have a problem with socialism, whether many of them of course actually know that they don't have a problem with it or not is a different story though.




    what support for anti-semitism would this be? his multiple condemnations and large scale attempt to actually remove it from the party which was stifled at every opportunity by those who could not accept his election as leader? his campaign throughout his lifetime against every possible ism?
    and lets not forget that the conservatives have been very happy to support terrorism and even fund it when it suits them, so anyone who voted for that party because they are apparently against anti-semitism or talking to terrorists certainly have no moral high ground what soever.
    at least corbyn's dealings with terrorist groups were to at least try and bring about some sort of resolution.




    that's exactly it.
    ah well at least they got borris the stooj and the actual leader cummings, so i'm sure those who left labour and voted for a party who has done everything in it's power to deprive them are very happy.



    his supporters apart from the odd few were in no way snobbish or arrogant. factual, absolutely but facts are what are needed, not slogans.
    unless they decide themselves to leave and split the party they won't be going anywhere thankfully and there is nothing starmer can do about it.
    if that means multiple decades of tory destruction then maybe that is the medicine that is needed to force much of the public in britain to get a grip, bad medicine as it will absolutely be.

    Don't forget Boris Johnson and his utterly brilliant "72 Virgins" with its plethora of stereotyped characters, including one Sammy Katz with his “proud nose and curly hair”, a malevolent, stingy, snake-like Jewish businessman who exploits immigrant workers for profit. When Boris finally shakes off the shackles of the premiership, with its ludicrously penurial £160k salary or whatever it is, we might finally get that much anticipated sequel. To be entirely fair, Boris is an equal opportunities bigot when it comes to choosing his discriminatory targets.

    As for labour, Starmer did attract quite a substantial left wing vote in the leadership contest on the basis of his "unity" pledge. So remains to be seen how he follows up on it. Will those on the right of the party who are screaming for a purge hold sway, those who blithely declare the need for the left to get behind the leader even though they themselves did anything but when the shoe was on the other foot? As i said, remains to be seen.


  • #33
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.

    His popularity? Labour lost seats in the last election that they had held since the 1930s.


  • #34
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    His popularity? Labour lost seats in the last election that they had held since the 1930s.

    Correct.

    Corbyn and his supporters were deeply unpopular, especially in working class heartlands of England.

    People who ate still not over the hurt and damage of Thatcher, were forced pick the Tories as the lesser threat.

    The momentum types,the Corbyn fans are electorally toxic and as far from the working class as one can get.


  • #35
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    December, 2019, lifelong labour voter in the heart of former mining England ponders his big dilemma. He sees that Corbyn fella in london, with his funny beard and glasses and his cheap scruffy clothes and allotment and concludes, what a horrendous out of touch posh elitist snob that guy is, thanks his lucky stars that salt of the earth and friend of the ordinary worker and character to boot Boris Johnson is at hand as an alternative.


  • #36
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    December, 2019, lifelong labour voter in the heart of former mining England ponders his big dilemma. He sees that Corbyn fella in london, with his funny beard and glasses and his cheap scruffy clothes and allotment and concludes, what a horrendous out of touch posh elitist snob that guy is, thanks his lucky stars that salt of the earth and friend of the ordinary worker and character to boot Boris Johnson is at hand as an alternative.

    No, he held his nose and voted Johnson as an act of damage limitation.

    He probably puked after voting Tory but when you have 2 bad choices you go for the one that'll do least damage.


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  • #37
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    His popularity? Labour lost seats in the last election that they had held since the 1930s.

    For a lot of reasons, not least of all Brexit fatigue and the promise of an 'oven ready' deal.

    Tbh I think having the Tories in power is better for Ireland in the medium to long term so I'm not bothered by Labour's woes. I do feel bad for the regular British people being governed by a bunch of incompetent clowns though.


  • #38
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    December, 2019, lifelong labour voter in the heart of former mining England ponders his big dilemma. He sees that Corbyn fella in london, with his funny beard and glasses and his cheap scruffy clothes and allotment and concludes, what a horrendous out of touch posh elitist snob that guy is, thanks his lucky stars that salt of the earth and friend of the ordinary worker and character to boot Boris Johnson is at hand as an alternative.

    Well, if this person voted Tory, what does that tell you?


  • #39
    Joe_ Public
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    Danzy wrote: »
    No, he held his nose and voted Johnson as an act of damage limitation.

    He probably puked after voting Tory but when you have 2 bad choices you go for the one that'll do least damage.

    Ok, i must have misread the earlier post. If corbyn is as far from working class as you can get, then i assumed the inference was at least partly that they then felt the tories under Johnson had to be more in touch with them. In reality, labour had been bleeding votes in these areas for years, all the way back to blair in fact. It's a complex picture. Corbyn certainly didn't start that bleeding, but he did fail to find a way in which to stop it.


  • #40
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Ok, i must have misread the earlier post. If corbyn is as far from working class as you can get, then i assumed the inference was at least partly that they then felt the tories under Johnson had to be more in touch with them. In reality, labour had been bleeding votes in these areas for years, all the way back to blair in fact. It's a complex picture. Corbyn certainly didn't start that bleeding, but he did fail to find a way in which to stop it.

    Agree. I've nothing against the guy, disagree on many things.

    He didn't cause it, he was a consequence rather than a cause.

    Societal changes and changes in 1990s Labour set that train in motion.

    The growing gap , a class divide, between the activist left and their old voter base is not confined to England. It's wiped out the left electorally in many European political heartlands.


  • #41
    Joe_ Public
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Agree. I've nothing against the guy, disagree on many things.

    He didn't cause it, he was a consequence rather than a cause.

    Societal changes and changes in 1990s Labour set that train in motion.

    The growing gap , a class divide, between the activist left and their old voter base is not confined to England. It's wiped out the left electorally in many European political heartlands.

    True, on all counts. But there are caveats in that the left is doing well in Spain, Portugal, Greece and a couple of other places. Not sure of the analysis, maybe they have worked out a way in these places of getting young more progressive minded people energised and out to vote. The uk left didn't manage that and the fptp system simply meant bigger majorities in the city seats while apathy ensured too many younger voters in the north simply stayed home.


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  • #42
    OscarMIlde
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    timthumbni wrote: »
    Unusual for the BBC. They are full of lefties. Maybe someone was sick that day.

    Useful idiot is how I would describe steptoe.

    The BBC generally goes along with what the government of the day wants, they are a state broadcaster and depend on the government for funding. In addition, a lot of the more influential people in the politics section are Tories or Tory sympathisers. You only have to look at their credulous Brexit coverage to see their pro-government leanings.


  • #43
    RWCNT
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    biko wrote: »
    Hmm ok.

    Anyway

    https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-fight-suspension-from-labour-over-antisemitism-report-reaction-12117833

    I'm surprised the anti-PC, anti-Cancel Culture posters on here aren't giving him some props over this. In a world where grovelling apologies are dished out when offence is taken with none intended, Corbyn isn't having it for one second.


  • #44
    OscarMIlde
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    His popularity? Labour lost seats in the last election that they had held since the 1930s.

    I'd blame his dithering over Brexit. He really seemed to have no firm opinion on it either way, or at least not one I ever heard him espouse, which is extraordinary when you consider how important it is to the future of the UK. He lost the eurosceptics to the Tories and split the pro remain vote by not placing Labour front and centre as the party for remain.


  • #45
    end of the road
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Don't forget Boris Johnson and his utterly brilliant "72 Virgins" with its plethora of stereotyped characters, including one Sammy Katz with his “proud nose and curly hair”, a malevolent, stingy, snake-like Jewish businessman who exploits immigrant workers for profit. When Boris finally shakes off the shackles of the premiership, with its ludicrously penurial £160k salary or whatever it is, we might finally get that much anticipated sequel. To be entirely fair, Boris is an equal opportunities bigot when it comes to choosing his discriminatory targets.

    As for labour, Starmer did attract quite a substantial left wing vote in the leadership contest on the basis of his "unity" pledge. So remains to be seen how he follows up on it. Will those on the right of the party who are screaming for a purge hold sway, those who blithely declare the need for the left to get behind the leader even though they themselves did anything but when the shoe was on the other foot? As i said, remains to be seen.

    personally based on him suspending corbyn for stating facts and speaking the truth, i think it's clear starmer is going to take labour one way and that is a way that appeals to the hard right of the party.
    i reccan the more interesting thing to look out for is whether the party actually does split or whether reluctantly people will just tolerate starmer in the hope of getting the conservatives out.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #46
    biko
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    The chair of the EHRC, Caroline Waters, doesn't mince her words:
    "This is inexcusable," she added, "and appeared to be a result of a lack of willingness to tackle anti-Semitism rather than an inability to do so."
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54731222


  • #47
    biko
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    RWCNT wrote: »
    I'm surprised the anti-PC, anti-Cancel Culture posters on here aren't giving him some props over this. In a world where grovelling apologies are dished out when offence is taken with none intended, Corbyn isn't having it for one second.
    I don't know for sure but I suppose the people you refer to don't think it's ok to be anti-Semite.


  • #48
    Sonics2k
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    I'm not a fan of Corbyn, personally I think he's a bit of an insufferable knob. But what has he actually said or done that as anti-Semitic?

    I know he's spoken out about the Israeli invasion of Palestine, but that's not actually anti-Semitic.


  • #49
    Five Eighth
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    Agree that Corbyn was punished for criticising the state of Israel and its actions in the Middle East. However, he went into the last British General Election with a very mixed message on Brexit (he was a natural socialist leaver while many southern England Labour party activists were remainers) and with McDonnell ended up making absolutely ridiculous promises to the electorate that nobody believed could ever be delivered.

    Keir Starmer now has the opportunity to take on and beat the most inept Tory government in living memory.


  • #50
    biko
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    But what has he actually said or done that as anti-Semitic?
    Really it is about him downplaying the seriousness of himself and his party to address anti-Semitic accusations.

    The chair of the EHRC says Labour showed lack of willingness to tackle anti-Semitism.

    There's more on the internets https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43893791


  • #51
    Joe_ Public
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    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    I'd blame his dithering over Brexit. He really seemed to have no firm opinion on it either way, or at least not one I ever heard him espouse, which is extraordinary when you consider how important it is to the future of the UK. He lost the eurosceptics to the Tories and split the pro remain vote by not placing Labour front and centre as the party for remain.

    Brexit was hugely damaging, that is pretty obvious. But the 2019 election result should be carefully analysed. Labour lost 54 seats directly to the tories. 52 of these were in constituencies that had voted to leave the eu. So while their remain vote held up reasonably well, their leave vote was quite decimated. While you can debate the brexit position and the rights and wrongs of it, the electoral breakdown certainly doesn't suggest that a stronger pro remain position was the route to a better result. The opposite, if anything.


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