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Labour's Corbyn suspended for reaction to anti-semitism report

  • 31-10-2020 12:17pm
    #1
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭


    The old thread on his anti-Semitism is now archived

    In UK the Equality and Human Rights Commission have found Labour guilty of unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination against Jews.

    The EHRC found that Labour was responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act (2010) relating to political interference in antisemitism complaints; a failure to provide adequate training to those handling antisemitism complaints; and harassment.

    Throughout the Corbyn period, Jews were often asked why they were making such a fuss about all this: after all, Labour was hardly about to whip up pogroms.

    Current leader Keir Starmer suspended Corbyn yesterday.


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  • #2
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Ah Jeremy. To think he wasn’t that far, due to circumstances, from being the British PM. He reminds me of a character from viz. Millie Tant crossed with Student Grant.

    A friend of uncle Gerry. That’s all I need to know to judge a man. He will go down with red Ken and that jock mate of saddams as being exhibits A, B and C as why exactly why the Labour Party has lost the plot.... As well as their heartlands.


  • #3
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's great to see the new leader take decisive action on this. The first step to Labour winning and recovering their northern base is to actually act on antisemitism and the toxic Corbynistas who'd happily spend decades in opposition if it meant remaining ideologically pure. These people need putting back in their box ASAP or, ideally booting out altogether. Brexit has happened. They need to get themselves ready for 2025 and this is a solid first step in that direction.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • #4
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,456 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    A nice guy, but a very incompetent leader, from Trident with no missiles to Brexit, his inability to make a decision knew no bounds.


  • #5
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Paul Hudson wrote: »
    I think most people couldn't care less about his supposed anti semitism. It was his out dated socialism that sank him.

    I don't think it was that. It was his endless prevaricating on Brexit. Initially, they bleated on and on about respecting the result when there was already a Brexit party in the Conservatives so that just won them cynicism from the centre-left and liberals. Then they pivoted towards a second referendum which cost them the north. Worst of both worlds there. Pick a side and stick to it.

    For a progressive party, the antisemitism thing stinks. You expect all sorts of closeted bigots, racists and xenophobies in the Conservative party but not Labour.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • #6
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    An incompetent leader who relegated labour to the opposition for a decade with his attempt to bring labour to the far left and his apologism for terrorists and support for anti semitism. Should have been suspended long ago


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  • #7
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    I've asked a number of times, and never got an answer...What exactly did corbyn do that was anti-semitic...aside from criticizing Isreal*


    *which isn't anti-semitic


  • #8
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    He has been suspended for his comment after the report release, not anti semitism but it suits a narrative often told. He was also correct.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #9
    MontgomeryClift
    Registered Users Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭MontgomeryClift


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    I've asked a number of times, and never got an answer...What exactly did corbyn do that was anti-semitic...aside from criticizing Isreal*


    *which isn't anti-semitic

    Apart from saying something complimentary about an artist who painted a mural depicting old men lording it over the poor of the world, nothing.

    It's interesting that Jewish pressure groups saw a mural depicting Freemasonry, Illuminati symbolism, overwhelming wealth, and said, "Hey, that's us."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Humanity

    After that he wasn't sufficiently deferential to Jewish pressure groups, and stated that he would continue to be critical of Israel, so Jewish pressure groups (who don't possess disproportionate power, because it would be "antisemitic" to say that they do) had him ousted and replaced by a Zionist who has a Jewish wife.


  • #10
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Kinnock had to rid the Labour Party of the loony left as well. It’s a positive step.

    https://youtu.be/v9d7ahKWcsM


  • #11
    Hello 2D Person Below
    Registered Users Posts: 13,755 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    Dog and pony show.

    Warmongers run amok but a man that is lifelong anti-war and anti-bigotry gets suspended.


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  • #12
    Hello 2D Person Below
    Registered Users Posts: 13,755 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    I've asked a number of times, and never got an answer...What exactly did corbyn do that was anti-semitic...aside from criticizing Isreal*


    *which isn't anti-semitic

    I'd get comfy if I were you.


  • #13
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »
    I'd get comfy if I were you.

    Because i'll be waiting for a genuine example is it?


  • #14
    Hello 2D Person Below
    Registered Users Posts: 13,755 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Because i'll be waiting for a genuine example is it?

    Precisely :)


  • #15
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    The looney left, far left?

    You do realise that they are called the Labour party? They are meant to be left wing?


  • #16
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.


  • #17
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    He has been suspended for his comment after the report release, not anti semitism but it suits a narrative often told. He was also correct.

    I was wondering what line his cheerleaders on here would take.


  • #18
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.

    Then a few short months later they had the chancellor in an animation as a super hero. All in our minds though, there's no media bias.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #19
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    I was wondering what line his cheerleaders on here would take.

    Yeah facts are so last year, or did you not know the reason the Labour party gave for his suspension?

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #20
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    The looney left, far left?

    You do realise that they are called the Labour party? They are meant to be left wing?

    Its a clever sort of optical trick. Everybody else moves right and the media with it, shifting the overton window rightwards ever more, and the poor schmucks standing still on the left, with their radical demands for better services and less poverty, get to be characterised as the hard/looney/far left. Delete as you seem appropriate.


  • #21
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.

    Do the centre in Germany want to seize peoples property like Corbyn did after Grenfell? If they do they aren't in the centre, as taking the property of others is hardly moderate, regardless of the justification.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/jeremy-corbyns-call-seize-rich-peoples-houses-grenfell-victims/

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • #22
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Its a clever sort of optical trick. Everybody else moves right and the media with it, shifting the overton window rightwards ever more, and the poor schmucks standing still on the left, with their radical demands for better services and less poverty, get to be characterised as the hard/looney/far left. Delete as you seem appropriate.

    The media is not shifting right, media and corporate PR are all firmly moving left


  • #23
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,235 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He is anti semitic in the way the modern left can only be, driven by identity and grouping people in to hierarchies. Different to talk of their genetics etc.

    He certainly allowed views that were out and out dog whistle to overt jew baiting.

    He just framed it into his narrative and excused it that way.

    He had to go, he was politically toxic and his often snobbish and arrogant supporters need to go as well if Labour are to have any chance in regaining the working class.


  • #24
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »
    Yeah facts are so last year, or did you not know the reason the Labour party gave for his suspension?

    Deny. Deny. Deny.


  • #25
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Deny. Deny. Deny.

    Derp. Derp. Derp.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54730425

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • #26
    Skeetur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Skeetur


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    aside from criticizing Isreal*

    *which isn't anti-semitic

    Therin lies the problem. Until you stop looking at the world rationally and logically and start looking at it through the eyes of someone blinded by their own victim complex you'll never see the anti senitism...


  • #27
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The media is not shifting right, media and corporate PR are all firmly moving left

    That's interesting because we've just had a party espousing true left wing values and for much of the past 5 years we've seen the msm, including supposed lefty titles, basically shat on it from a great height. I wouldn't mistake any perceived concession to pc or "wokeism" as evidence of any shift to the left. The truth is they hate the left because they see it as a threat to the establishment they are a firm part of. Once labour proves it is no threat, as Blair did, they will be accepted. And, now that Times Radio is on board, and we get Andrew Neil's new station next year, i'm sure that firm shift leftwards will gather pace.


  • #28
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    The thread title is just misleading so its being changed.


  • #29
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Hmm ok.

    Anyway
    Mr Corbyn now faces an investigation, but has refused to retract the comments that sparked such furore among senior party figures.
    https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-fight-suspension-from-labour-over-antisemitism-report-reaction-12117833


  • #30
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The 'left lunacy' that Corbyn advocated is pretty much the centre in Germany (a far more economically successful and fairer country). The media melt-down over Corbyn's popularity was amazing to witness. The Cons and the City of London are up to their necks in Russian oligarchs' money and yet this was the background to an 'impartial' BBC report:

    52e94111e240ea252b875f74939a8f68_bfaxqs.png

    Literally photo-shopped in front of the Kremlin with a USSR blood-red filter for effect. It would put Fox News to shame.

    Unusual for the BBC. They are full of lefties. Maybe someone was sick that day.

    Useful idiot is how I would describe steptoe.


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  • #31
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Paul Hudson wrote: »
    I think most people couldn't care less about his supposed anti semitism. It was his out dated socialism that sank him.

    i would agree it is very clear that a hell of a lot of people didn't give a damn about his non-existant anti-semitism given they voted for a party with a leader who is openly islamaphobic, as for the home secretry, well that's another discussion.
    interestingly the conservative party are happy to be socialist when it suits them, very socialist in fact but mainly to 1 section of society, those who least need help.
    those who voted for them don't actually have a problem with socialism, whether many of them of course actually know that they don't have a problem with it or not is a different story though.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    An incompetent leader who relegated labour to the opposition for a decade with his attempt to bring labour to the far left and his apologism for terrorists and support for anti semitism. Should have been suspended long ago


    what support for anti-semitism would this be? his multiple condemnations and large scale attempt to actually remove it from the party which was stifled at every opportunity by those who could not accept his election as leader? his campaign throughout his lifetime against every possible ism?
    and lets not forget that the conservatives have been very happy to support terrorism and even fund it when it suits them, so anyone who voted for that party because they are apparently against anti-semitism or talking to terrorists certainly have no moral high ground what soever.
    at least corbyn's dealings with terrorist groups were to at least try and bring about some sort of resolution.
    Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »
    Dog and pony show.

    Warmongers run amok but a man that is lifelong anti-war and anti-bigotry gets suspended.


    that's exactly it.
    ah well at least they got borris the stooj and the actual leader cummings, so i'm sure those who left labour and voted for a party who has done everything in it's power to deprive them are very happy.
    Danzy wrote: »
    He is anti semitic in the way the modern left can only be, driven by identity and grouping people in to hierarchies. Different to talk of their genetics etc.

    He certainly allowed views that were out and out dog whistle to overt jew baiting.

    He just framed it into his narrative and excused it that way.

    He had to go, he was politically toxic and his often snobbish and arrogant supporters need to go as well if Labour are to have any chance in regaining the working class.

    his supporters apart from the odd few were in no way snobbish or arrogant. factual, absolutely but facts are what are needed, not slogans.
    unless they decide themselves to leave and split the party they won't be going anywhere thankfully and there is nothing starmer can do about it.
    if that means multiple decades of tory destruction then maybe that is the medicine that is needed to force much of the public in britain to get a grip, bad medicine as it will absolutely be.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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