Labour's Corbyn suspended for reaction to anti-semitism report

end of the road

a victory for common sense, he should never have been suspended in the first place, he spoke the truth.

biko

Israel advocacy movement aren't happy

https://twitter.com/israel_advocacy/status/1328800116002713606?s=19

riffmongous

biko wrote: »

Israel advocacy movement aren't happy

And who are the Israel Advocacy Movement?

Danzy

Labour's response is to give the Jews two fingers.

suicide_circus

There are about 300,000 Jews in the UK and falling.

There are about 3.5 million Muslims in the UK and rising.

Numbers game, innit.

biko

Jews are leaving many previously safe countries.
Headlines unheard of for many decades are making a recent comeback:

• 1 in 3 British Jews have considered leaving the UK due to rising antisemitism.
• Europe's Jews Are Resisting a Rising Tide of Anti-Semitism
• Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes
• Is It Time for the Jews to Leave Europe?

It seems somehow in the last 20 years the Brits and other Europeans have become quite anti-Semitic.

RWCNT

Such a stupid decision from Starmer.

Corbyn was always going to be let back in - making Starmer look weak, despite the decision being practically out of his hands. The Jewish organisations now incredibly angry with him, the left wing of the party not going to be quick to forgive and ample opportunity for the detractors the left in general to continue shouting "racist" in Labour's direction.

No idea what Starmer thought he'd get out of it. Draws serious questions about his strategic acumen.

Gervais08

end of the road wrote: »

a victory for common sense, he should never have been suspended in the first place, he spoke the truth.

Please give one example of an antisemitic statement he uttered that you believe is “the truth”.

biko

riffmongous wrote: »

And who are the Israel Advocacy Movement?

Do you agree or disagree with their Twitter statements?
Which one strikes you the most to not be true?

• Laying wreaths for Jew murderers
• Calling genocidal terrorists friends
• Giving money to Holocaust deniers
• Praising preachers who call Jews germs
• Writing forewords to antisemitic books

My favourite https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/16/labour-dissidents-decry-partys-anti-semitism-corbynites-attack-messenger/
“Panorama” showed us a clip of the cleric Raed Salah, in its words “a notorious anti-Semitic preacher who had called Jews ‘the Germs of all time,’”
and then followed it with a clip of Corbyn inviting Salah to tea at the House of Commons in 2012 because “he’ll deserve it.”
What merits tea at the House of Commons is moot. But the idea that Corbyn wouldn’t have known whom he was inviting is hard to sustain.

Gentlemanne

I'm not going to miss the irony in seeing the same users that post disdainfully about muslims for tens of pages in other threads coming in here and uncritically accepting that not only is Corbyn anti-semitic but that his anti-semitism is a massive character flaw.

biko

Trying to detract from the issue at hand by character assassination.
That's an old technique but still used I see.

Is it working?

ancapailldorcha

biko wrote: »

Trying to detract from the issue at hand by character assassination.
That's an old technique but still used I see.

Is it working?

Well you've presented no evidence so I see no reason to entertain your claims.

Gentlemanne

biko wrote: »

Trying to detract from the issue at hand by character assassination

This is literally what happened to Jeremy Corbyn lol

biko

Cool, maybe now it's out of your systems and we can get back to Corbyn.

I showed one case above from WP.
Do you think this case didn't happen as described in the paper? Corbyn did not invite a know anti-Semitic to tea in the House of Commons?

Gervais08

Gentlemanne wrote: »

I'm not going to miss the irony in seeing the same users that post disdainfully about muslims for tens of pages in other threads coming in here and uncritically accepting that not only is Corbyn anti-semitic but that his anti-semitism is a massive character flaw.

Can you point out the last time a Jew went into the streets in Europe and killed innocent people going about their normal, lawful activities - in the name of the Jewish faith ?

Spoiler alert - you won’t be able to.

ancapailldorcha

biko wrote: »

Jews are leaving many previously safe countries.
Headlines unheard of for many decades are making a recent comeback:

• 1 in 3 British Jews have considered leaving the UK due to rising antisemitism.
• Europe's Jews Are Resisting a Rising Tide of Anti-Semitism
• Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes
• Is It Time for the Jews to Leave Europe?

It seems somehow in the last 20 years the Brits and other Europeans have become quite anti-Semitic.

Source?

Gervais08

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Source?

Try Google. It’s all there.

Hello 2D Person Below

Gentlemanne wrote: »

I'm not going to miss the irony in seeing the same users that post disdainfully about muslims for tens of pages in other threads coming in here and uncritically accepting that not only is Corbyn anti-semitic but that his anti-semitism is a massive character flaw.

Tis quite amusing alright.

ancapailldorcha

Gervais08 wrote: »

Try Google. It’s all there.

Nothing then so. Grand.

fiveleavesleft

Starmer is now saying he won't restore the whip to Corbyn. Which keeps the whole mess going till he inevitably restores it. Starmer seems to think the best solution is to keep digging:D.

Gervais08

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nothing then so. Grand.

No way am arguing with a Moderator - it’s there though.

Go to https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

biko

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Source?

Those are googleable actual headlines.

If you google "Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jews+leave+Swedish+city+after+sharp+rise+in+anti-Semitic+hate+crimes
then the first hit will be the headline.

conorhal

suicide_circus wrote: »

There are about 300,000 Jews in the UK and falling.

There are about 3.5 million Muslims in the UK and rising.

Numbers game, innit.

Indeed, after Corbyn's rejection of the working class in favour of the lumpen proletariat of Islamism voters (on whom Labour is increasingly dependent for votes), the cope coming from all those that pretend that both Corbyn and Labour don't just tolerate but actively pander to their anti-Semitism is kind of funny.
You only have to look at the gender segregated meetings that Labour hold to cater to 'certain voters' to know that Labour is a very cold house for The Chosen people.

ancapailldorcha

biko wrote: »

Those are googleable actual headlines.

If you google "Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jews+leave+Swedish+city+after+sharp+rise+in+anti-Semitic+hate+crimes
then the first hit will be the headline.

Paywalled and nothing to do with Jeremy Corbyn anyway.

biko

Previous PM Teresa May demands apology from Corbyn on anti-semitism in Labour Party 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr2sQJsIjxI

biko

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Paywalled and nothing to do with Jeremy Corbyn anyway.

It was to my point that Jews in Europe are again threatened by anti-Semitism, and when one of the major parties in Britain can't stem it then it doesn't bode well for the future.

If the refugees we welcome now hate the refugees we welcomed previously, what responsibility lies with us?

.anon.

biko wrote: »

Trying to detract from the issue at hand by character assassination.
That's an old technique but still used I see.

Is it working?

It sure as fuck worked against Corbyn. Took a long time, with some particularly embarrassing nonsense along the way (anyone remember the 'communist spy' allegations?) but they got there in the end.

ancapailldorcha

biko wrote: »

It was to my point that Jews in Europe are again threatened by anti-Semitism, and when one of the major parties in Britain can't stem it then it doesn't bode well for the future.

If the refugees we welcome now hate the refugees we welcomed previously, what responsibility lies with us?

What about the party that's been in power for a decade?

I have no interest in your weird obsession with refugees. They've never been welcomed to the UK.

Danzy

biko wrote: »

Cool, maybe now it's out of your systems and we can get back to Corbyn.

I showed one case above from WP.
Do you think this case didn't happen as described in the paper? Corbyn did not invite a know anti-Semitic to tea in the House of Commons?

If you spent 5 minutes looking at the Labour Against Anti semitism posts , you would see a party with a severe problem and no interest in acting on it.

While Klan leaders like David Duke or Nick Griffin endorsed Corbyn for his anti semitism, I don't think he is a traditional anti semitic tosser.

He is a product of the modern left, it's identity obsessions, enjoys the radical chic of militant opposition to Israel's occupation of Palestine, turns a blind eye to the extreme antisemitism so common in most of that movement.

A friend and help to antisemites, a sneaking regarder for it.

end of the road

Gervais08 wrote: »

Please give one example of an antisemitic statement he uttered that you believe is “the truth”.

i can't given he hasn't made any antisemetic statements.
if he had done so, i would be one of the first here to have condemned it.

biko wrote: »

Do you agree or disagree with their Twitter statements?
Which one strikes you the most to not be true?

Laying wreaths for Jew murderers
Calling genocidal terrorists friends
Giving money to Holocaust deniers
Praising preachers who call Jews germs
Writing forewords to antisemitic books


My favourite https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/16/labour-dissidents-decry-partys-anti-semitism-corbynites-attack-messenger/
“Panorama” showed us a clip of the cleric Raed Salah, in its words “a notorious anti-Semitic preacher who had called Jews ‘the Germs of all time,’”
and then followed it with a clip of Corbyn inviting Salah to tea at the House of Commons in 2012 because “he’ll deserve it.”
What merits tea at the House of Commons is moot. But the idea that Corbyn wouldn’t have known whom he was inviting is hard to sustain.

the british government have been calling all sorts of genocidal terrorists friends throughout it's history, so why has this suddenly become an issue because corbyn does the same, all be it for genuine if naive reasons.