Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Strumms · 26-10-2020 10:24PM

owlbethere wrote: »

There was no need for a level 5. Level 3 would ha e been more than enough.

I’m sure doctors, nurses, virologists, and the vast array of other medical and hospital staff would agree with you wholeheartedly, not. :rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 10:24PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

38 now in ICU

Bank holiday weekend - no discharges. Would expect that number to drop significantly on Wednesday.

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 10:24PM

That Irish study with spread on a plane has gone international. Added to the corpus of evidence of infection on planes at this stage. Again this is not the main issue. It's when people get off the plane. Never the less our own public health professionals and the National Virus Reference Laboratory lab should be commended for going where no politician would dare. Hopefully they don't face any consequences for not toeing the party line. It may not be China but people have been disappeared professionally here when big business have been reported on in the past.

@WhistleIRL springs to mind.

https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1320822529821495297?s=20

Widdensushi · 26-10-2020 10:25PM

Did I read earlier that 45% of covid cases in hospital went in to hospital without it?

leanin2019 · 26-10-2020 10:27PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Are people on bikes able to get by the restrictions?

Some of the most pro lockdown people on my social media posting pictures from the likes of Howth and Bray

People are muppets

exemption for professional athletes?

bb1234567 · 26-10-2020 10:30PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

There is quite a lag.

I see also that UK are reporting deaths only for those within 28 days of a positive test. That's excluding a lot of deaths. Their figures are rubbish.

The died within 28 days of testing positive thing has to be the most absolutely illogical and senseless method of death counting that could be dreamed up

Some somebody could recover and have a heart attack nearly a month later and they are a covid death in the U.K.
Another covid patient who struggled for 29 days in icu before succumbing is not counted as a covid death

Who tf made this system . Why would not just count hospital deaths and then have a coroner decide whether covid was the cause or not of the positive death like we do

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 10:31PM

solan wrote: »

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I've actually been living in Scotland for almost two decades, it's not that I've just nipped away for the weekend, and its why I'm questioning what the procedure is because there are legal requirements and penalties around travelling from the UK to Ireland.

It would appear as if there's no need to fill out the form but if you are going to quarantine for 14 days on arrival I would do so anyway as it can't hurt to complete the form.

What Username Guidelines · 26-10-2020 10:47PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Are people on bikes able to get by the restrictions?

Some of the most pro lockdown people on my social media posting pictures from the likes of Howth and Bray

People are muppets

I was stopped at a checkpoint on a bike. Couple of cars in front of me, Garda was standing by the kerb so wasn’t sure what to do. Just got in line with the cars and he asked me all the same questions, how far I was from home and why I was >5km away, etc.

robbiezero · 26-10-2020 10:50PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The way i look at that is to estimate what are the chances of a random person who died but happened to be covid +, well it would be less than one in a hundred.

So if that policy were skewing figures, it would be by less than one percent.

If we went and tested 10000 people at random would we expect less than 100 positives at the current time?

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 10:55PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

The died within 28 days of testing positive thing has to be the most absolutely illogical and senseless method of death counting that could be dreamed up

Some somebody could recover and have a heart attack nearly a month later and they are a covid death in the U.K.
Another covid patient who struggled for 29 days in icu before succumbing is not counted as a covid death

Who tf made this system . Why would not just count hospital deaths and then have a coroner decide whether covid was the cause or not of the positive death like we do

I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 10:57PM

robbiezero wrote: »

If we went and tested 10000 people at random would we expect less than 100 positives at the current time?

Yes. Sky news had community testing figures recently whereby the highest figure in some city was 1% of the population currently have active infection. Most other areas a lot less.

Widdensushi · 26-10-2020 10:58PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

How much is the death toll above average in Ireland this year?

bb1234567 · 26-10-2020 10:59PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

In what sense? In the UK with this methodology there are absolutely covid deaths being discounted but also non covid deaths being included simultaneously

It won't have a major impact, somebody is unlikely to take 28 days to die after testing positive and the average person who tests positive but recovers is extremely unlikely to die within the next 28 days of another cause of death but it just adds needless confusion and misunderstanding

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 11:00PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

How much is the death toll above average in Ireland this year?

Excess deaths? I don't know.

One thing we have witnessed though is decreased excess deaths after the first wave, as a lot of the elderly died earlier, because of covid.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 11:03PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

In what sense? In the UK with this methodology there are absolutely covid deaths being discounted but also non covid deaths being included simultaneously

Yeah, i replied about the latter in my previous post. In my opinion it would seem that the underestimation by this counting method is far greater than the overestimation by what you describe.

Risteard81 · 26-10-2020 11:03PM

440Hertz wrote: »

That's not correct

If you fly into Dublin and intend to go to Northern Ireland you are required to fill in portion of the locator form, which is sent to Northern Ireland. (sic)

You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

amadangomor · 26-10-2020 11:06PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks. Im still unsure if it's anything at all, but will stay at home and contact my GP if i feel worse. The GP is really under pressure. Took me a few attempts to contact the surgery last week (by phone, for a script) .

The tight chest would have me wondering so would definitely contact your GP in the morning.

Don't worry about them being under pressure, will only take a few minutes for them to book you in for a test if they think it's appropriate.

bb1234567 · 26-10-2020 11:07PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, i replied about the latter in my previous post. In my opinion it would seem that the underestimation by this counting method is far greater than the overestimation by what you describe.

Perhaps, the number of people in the UK who have had COVID listed as a contributing cause of death on their death certificate is just under 60,000

Almost 15,000 higher than the official death toll which only includes those who died less than 28 days after testing positive

What a system..of course maybe some of those 15,000 simply had covid and died of something else, it's not outside the realms of reason given the age of many covid deaths, but either way it's a very unclear method of counting deaths and there is a huge room for error. The fact that UK's excess deaths are around 60,000, the same as the total number of people who died after contracting covid, does further imply that many covid deaths are being missed in the UK.

440Hertz · 26-10-2020 11:08PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

Yes it is:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54009845

Just as an example.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 11:09PM

amadangomor wrote: »

The tight chest would have me wondering so would definitely contact your GP in the morning.

Don't worry about them being under pressure, will only take a few minutes for them to book you in for a test if they think it's appropriate.

Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.

Necro · 26-10-2020 11:09PM

Risteard81 wrote:

You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

Once again you're wrong but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story huh

amadangomor · 26-10-2020 11:19PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.

I was feeling the same when I had a cough a few weeks back but did the right thing and self isolated and rang doctor.

Was 99% sure it was a cold causing the cough but was enough for the Doctor to put me forward.

Testing is not just to find positive cases it is used to eliminate the possibility that the person has Covid and get them back out of isolation ASAP.

Irish Steve · 26-10-2020 11:25PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I reckon the doom and gloom merchants are fairly disappointed about the numbers coming down. They want to live in lockdown forever. The government should have sat tight at the level 3 or at least tried the level 4 for a week or 2.

And just maybe, it's nothing to do with the doom and gloom merchants, and everything to do with the unfortunate fact that NPHET etc had advance warning of the case numbers going through the roof in Meath and Cavan as a result of some of the stupidity that went on in those 2 counties, and complete closedown was the only way to stop it becoming a complete disaster. As it is, the numbers in Meath went over 1000 per 100K last week, that's way beyong unsustainable for all sorts of reasons.

Cavan is still treble the national average, Meath is still double the national average, they are starting to go down at last, but it's going to take time.

coastwatch · 26-10-2020 11:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
All of them tested negative, twice.
I'm very confused.

It seems that outcome is more common than we might think, and supports the theory of "super spreaders" , where it's believed as little as 20% of cases are responsible for 80% of transmissions.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

CoronaBlocker · 26-10-2020 11:28PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

38 now in ICU

What were the case numbers at that time and how do they equate to today?

Necro · 26-10-2020 11:32PM

coastwatch wrote:

It seems that outcome is more common than we might think, and supports the theory of "super spreaders" , where it's believed as little as 20% of cases are responsible for 80% of transmissions.

Same happened me, tested positive three weeks ago, wife and kids subsequently tested twice and all three were negative twice.

Eod100 · 26-10-2020 11:36PM

Telegraph have story on potential immunity given by any vaccine. https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1320855385385873408?s=19

GT89 · 26-10-2020 11:40PM

Strumms wrote: »

I’m sure doctors, nurses, virologists, and the vast array of other medical and hospital staff would agree with you wholeheartedly, not. :rolleyes:

That's like saying Gardai should have a say in how laws are made

Stheno · 26-10-2020 11:41PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.

You're not overreacting.

I rang the out of hours doc weeks ago to get advice as my oh suddenly came down with a hacking constant cough and apologised and they said it was absolutely the right thing to do

He tested negative or no virus detected as the text said

26-10-2020 11:41PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Telegraph have story on potential immunity given by any vaccine. https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1320855385385873408?s=19

Remember something about this during the summer, and that more than one dose might be required.

Yep a quote from Fauchi
https://fortune.com/2020/07/07/coronavirus-vaccine-finite-anthony-fauci-update/

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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