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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,685 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    It's all a bit random.

    Your friend should have been self isolating though.
    They all live together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
    All of them tested negative, twice.
    I'm very confused.
    She could be a false positive? Or simply isn't very contagious? Or they are immune?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
    All of them tested negative, twice.
    I'm very confused.

    Perhaps the two contacts were already infected earlier in the year and are immune


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭hawkwing


    Wife had something similar a couple of weeks back, started with the hives, followed by breathing being tight and then the cough started. Never linked the hives to the respiratory symptoms which she assumed were asthma related but she got tested and was negative for Covid. Maybe was some other virus going around
    Scabies


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
    All of them tested negative, twice.
    I'm very confused.

    Were they symptomatic? Asymptomatic spread is a thing, and one of the factors in complicating control measures but not near as likely as some think l, with pre symptomatic being a far more common driver of spread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,685 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Were they symptomatic? Asymptomatic spread is a thing, and one of the factors in complicating control measures but not near as likely as some think l, with pre symptomatic being a far more common driver of spread
    She was ridiculously sick. Didn't get out of bed for 4 days.


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    hawkwing wrote: »
    Scabies

    Oh look the funniest guy on the internet. So funny, so very very funny


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Wife had something similar a couple of weeks back, started with the hives, followed by breathing being tight and then the cough started. Never linked the hives to the respiratory symptoms which she assumed were asthma related but she got tested and was negative for Covid. Maybe was some other virus going around

    Sounds like shingles. Hope she is feeling better.

    Where were they located? Were they sore?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 solan


    Hi all,

    I have to travel home from Scotland next week, coming from Shetland via Belfast and on to Sligo. Its essential travel / compassionate grounds as my Mam is very ill. I am coming from an almost Covid free area and will quarentine for two weeks before seeing anyone.

    I'm trying to figure out if I need to fill in a Passenger Locator Form. The fact I am flying from Shetland in to Belfast, and then driving from Belfast to Sligo means I am officially, coming in to the Republic from NI and it seems to say because of that , I dont need to fill one in.

    Can anyone enlighten me?

    Thanks ðŸ‘


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    khalessi wrote: »
    Sounds like shingles. Hope she is feeling better.

    Where were they located? Were they sore?

    She is pretty sure it was a food allergy allergy, and quite probable was the same thing that triggered her asthma which is usually triggered by certain allergens. I thought it was interesting that poster was describing similar symptoms and wondered may it have been a different virus doing the rounds. She is all good thanks. Back out running


  • Registered Users Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    solan wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I have to travel home from Scotland next week, coming from Shetland via Belfast and on to Sligo. Its essential travel / compassionate grounds as my Mam is very ill. I am coming from an almost Covid free area and will quarentine for two weeks before seeing anyone.

    I'm trying to figure out if I need to fill in a Passenger Locator Form. The fact I am flying from Shetland in to Belfast, and then driving from Belfast to Sligo means I am officially, coming in to the Republic from NI and it seems to say because of that , I dont need to fill one in.

    Can anyone enlighten me?

    Thanks ðŸ‘

    sorry to hear your news. dont think u need to fill anything in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭Russman


    Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
    All of them tested negative, twice.
    I'm very confused.

    There was a study/report, might have been linked on here several pages ago, or on one of the other threads, suggesting that something like 20/30% of people are responsible for 80% of the spread and for whatever reason, some people act as superspreaders and some barely spread it at all. It was very much in the “more work work required” sphere, but maybe there’s something to it.

    Friend of mine lives with his 3 teenage kids - one of the kids got it (with symptoms) and my friend and the other two kids all tested negative twice and never got it. It’s a weird virus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    solan wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I have to travel home from Scotland next week, coming from Shetland via Belfast and on to Sligo. Its essential travel / compassionate grounds as my Mam is very ill. I am coming from an almost Covid free area and will quarentine for two weeks before seeing anyone.

    I'm trying to figure out if I need to fill in a Passenger Locator Form. The fact I am flying from Shetland in to Belfast, and then driving from Belfast to Sligo means I am officially, coming in to the Republic from NI and it seems to say because of that , I dont need to fill one in.

    Can anyone enlighten me?

    Thanks ðŸ‘

    All of the details are here.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ab900-covid-19-passenger-locator-form/

    I'm not sure if they'd consider traveling THROUGH Northern Ireland as travelling FROM Northern Ireland. It's not really defined and I guess it would need clarification either by the government or in a court case to clear it up.

    If you're self-isolating anyway, I wouldn't really see why you wouldn't fill it in to be on the safe side, as you sound like you are basically using a backdoor route, rather than actually travelling from NI. It isn't going to bring any more onerous requirements upon you anyway, but it just means if there is an issue there's a track and trace in place.

    For all intents and purposes, whether you took a ferry to Belfast or Dublin makes no difference to the virus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Northern Ireland is in a different country to the Republic of Ireland.
    For real legal purposes related to coronavirus restrictions.
    Just flagging this to other posters that this distinction is lost on some posters on this thread.

    Just got rid of the binge drinking and you dig this up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Northern Ireland is in a different country to the Republic of Ireland.
    For real legal purposes related to coronavirus restrictions.
    Just flagging this to other posters that this distinction is lost on some posters on this thread.

    To head off another discussion about the constitutional position of Northern Ireland and whether or not the border exists: It's a different jurisdiction on the Island of Ireland. In terms of identity for many people it's the same country (and with Irish citizenship rights for those who want them) but for all practical and legal purposes, with reference to COVID-19 it's a different jurisdiction with different laws, health authorities, regulations and is also now outside the EU, albeit pending the end of the transition period which has kept things going as per normal until 31/01/2021.

    They are simply allowing normal freedom of movement across the border for residents of either jurisdiction and it's definitely up in the air as to how that's supposed to work.

    Now can we get back to discussion of COVID.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Just got rid of the binge drinking and you to dig this up.

    I don't want to dig anything up.
    But if someone asks about coming through N Ireland and another poster replies on the presumption this is one jurisdiction it needs to be flagged.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭ax530


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Just talking to my mother earlier today.

    She said she had a headache and tiredness the past few weeks.

    Headache and fatigue are key symptoms of covid. I don't think enough people are aware of that. Not everyone develops cough or fever.

    I know people who tested positive due to close contact, fatigue, light headed only symptom thankfully. No high temp or cough. Advised you and mother are tested so can isolate and contact trace


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

    38 now in ICU


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    ax530 wrote: »
    I know people who tested positive due to close contact, fatigue, light headed only symptom thankfully. No high temp or cough. Advised you and mother are tested so can isolate and contact trace

    Thank you.

    I advised her to get tested, but she said the symptoms went away a few days ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,244 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I woke this morning with itchy bites or hives everywhere. My breathing is a little tight, but not much. Now i have sniffles a bit. Feeling a little off, or maybe just paranoid.

    I'll see how i feel tomorrow, but going to stay at home for now.

    Take care and if worried speak to your GP


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

    38 now in ICU
    Almost every hospital total posted here in the last few days has has been the highest since May. There's a lag between infection, onset of symptoms, hospitalisation and ICU admission. The hospital figures will peak several weeks after the peak in case numbers so we have some way to run there yet.

    I would be guessing that hospitalisation figures will peak around early to mid November, but that is dependent on how many of the current cases are related to outbreaks within hospitals that will not follow the trajectory of the infection itself.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Take care and if worried speak to your GP

    Thanks. Im still unsure if it's anything at all, but will stay at home and contact my GP if i feel worse. The GP is really under pressure. Took me a few attempts to contact the surgery last week (by phone, for a script) .


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    marno21 wrote: »
    Almost every hospital total posted here in the last few days has has been the highest since May. There's a lag between infection, onset of symptoms, hospitalisation and ICU admission. The hospital figures will peak several weeks after the peak in case numbers so we have some way to run there yet.

    I would be guessing that hospitalisation figures will peak around early to mid November, but that is dependent on how many of the current cases are related to outbreaks within hospitals that will not follow the trajectory of the infection itself.

    There is quite a lag.

    I see also that UK are reporting deaths only for those within 28 days of a positive test. That's excluding a lot of deaths. Their figures are rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    There is quite a lag.

    I see also that UK are reporting deaths only for those within 28 days of a positive test. That's excluding a lot of deaths. Their figures are rubbish.
    They're including plenty of nonsense deaths. Under their rules if you faced a firing squad within 28 days of a positive test you would be classed as a COVID death.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    They all live together.

    Wow. I'm very confused with this whole thing. What is going on?

    I know, stupid question when people are just as confused as I am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    owlbethere wrote: »
    There was no need for a level 5. Level 3 would ha e been more than enough.

    I’m sure doctors, nurses, virologists, and the vast array of other medical and hospital staff would agree with you wholeheartedly, not. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,685 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

    38 now in ICU
    Bank holiday weekend - no discharges. Would expect that number to drop significantly on Wednesday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    That Irish study with spread on a plane has gone international. Added to the corpus of evidence of infection on planes at this stage. Again this is not the main issue. It's when people get off the plane. Never the less our own public health professionals and the National Virus Reference Laboratory lab should be commended for going where no politician would dare. Hopefully they don't face any consequences for not toeing the party line. It may not be China but people have been disappeared professionally here when big business have been reported on in the past.

    @WhistleIRL springs to mind.


    https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1320822529821495297?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Did I read earlier that 45% of covid cases in hospital went in to hospital without it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    Are people on bikes able to get by the restrictions?

    Some of the most pro lockdown people on my social media posting pictures from the likes of Howth and Bray

    People are muppets

    exemption for professional athletes?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    There is quite a lag.

    I see also that UK are reporting deaths only for those within 28 days of a positive test. That's excluding a lot of deaths. Their figures are rubbish.

    The died within 28 days of testing positive thing has to be the most absolutely illogical and senseless method of death counting that could be dreamed up

    Some somebody could recover and have a heart attack nearly a month later and they are a covid death in the U.K.
    Another covid patient who struggled for 29 days in icu before succumbing is not counted as a covid death

    Who tf made this system . Why would not just count hospital deaths and then have a coroner decide whether covid was the cause or not of the positive death like we do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    solan wrote: »
    I

    I've actually been living in Scotland for almost two decades, it's not that I've just nipped away for the weekend, and its why I'm questioning what the procedure is because there are legal requirements and penalties around travelling from the UK to Ireland.

    It would appear as if there's no need to fill out the form but if you are going to quarantine for 14 days on arrival I would do so anyway as it can't hurt to complete the form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Are people on bikes able to get by the restrictions?

    Some of the most pro lockdown people on my social media posting pictures from the likes of Howth and Bray

    People are muppets

    I was stopped at a checkpoint on a bike. Couple of cars in front of me, Garda was standing by the kerb so wasn’t sure what to do. Just got in line with the cars and he asked me all the same questions, how far I was from home and why I was >5km away, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    The way i look at that is to estimate what are the chances of a random person who died but happened to be covid +, well it would be less than one in a hundred.

    So if that policy were skewing figures, it would be by less than one percent.

    If we went and tested 10000 people at random would we expect less than 100 positives at the current time?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    The died within 28 days of testing positive thing has to be the most absolutely illogical and senseless method of death counting that could be dreamed up

    Some somebody could recover and have a heart attack nearly a month later and they are a covid death in the U.K.
    Another covid patient who struggled for 29 days in icu before succumbing is not counted as a covid death

    Who tf made this system . Why would not just count hospital deaths and then have a coroner decide whether covid was the cause or not of the positive death like we do

    I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    robbiezero wrote: »
    If we went and tested 10000 people at random would we expect less than 100 positives at the current time?

    Yes. Sky news had community testing figures recently whereby the highest figure in some city was 1% of the population currently have active infection. Most other areas a lot less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

    How much is the death toll above average in Ireland this year?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

    In what sense? In the UK with this methodology there are absolutely covid deaths being discounted but also non covid deaths being included simultaneously

    It won't have a major impact, somebody is unlikely to take 28 days to die after testing positive and the average person who tests positive but recovers is extremely unlikely to die within the next 28 days of another cause of death but it just adds needless confusion and misunderstanding


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    How much is the death toll above average in Ireland this year?

    Excess deaths? I don't know.

    One thing we have witnessed though is decreased excess deaths after the first wave, as a lot of the elderly died earlier, because of covid.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    In what sense? In the UK with this methodology there are absolutely covid deaths being discounted but also non covid deaths being included simultaneously

    Yeah, i replied about the latter in my previous post. In my opinion it would seem that the underestimation by this counting method is far greater than the overestimation by what you describe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    440Hertz wrote: »
    That's not correct

    If you fly into Dublin and intend to go to Northern Ireland you are required to fill in portion of the locator form, which is sent to Northern Ireland. (sic)
    You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Thanks. Im still unsure if it's anything at all, but will stay at home and contact my GP if i feel worse. The GP is really under pressure. Took me a few attempts to contact the surgery last week (by phone, for a script) .

    The tight chest would have me wondering so would definitely contact your GP in the morning.

    Don't worry about them being under pressure, will only take a few minutes for them to book you in for a test if they think it's appropriate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yeah, i replied about the latter in my previous post. In my opinion it would seem that the underestimation by this counting method is far greater than the overestimation by what you describe.

    Perhaps, the number of people in the UK who have had COVID listed as a contributing cause of death on their death certificate is just under 60,000

    Almost 15,000 higher than the official death toll which only includes those who died less than 28 days after testing positive

    What a system..of course maybe some of those 15,000 simply had covid and died of something else, it's not outside the realms of reason given the age of many covid deaths, but either way it's a very unclear method of counting deaths and there is a huge room for error. The fact that UK's excess deaths are around 60,000, the same as the total number of people who died after contracting covid, does further imply that many covid deaths are being missed in the UK.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

    Yes it is:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54009845

    Just as an example.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    The tight chest would have me wondering so would definitely contact your GP in the morning.

    Don't worry about them being under pressure, will only take a few minutes for them to book you in for a test if they think it's appropriate.

    Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
    Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Risteard81 wrote:
    You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

    Once again you're wrong but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story huh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
    Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.

    I was feeling the same when I had a cough a few weeks back but did the right thing and self isolated and rang doctor.

    Was 99% sure it was a cold causing the cough but was enough for the Doctor to put me forward.

    Testing is not just to find positive cases it is used to eliminate the possibility that the person has Covid and get them back out of isolation ASAP.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I reckon the doom and gloom merchants are fairly disappointed about the numbers coming down. They want to live in lockdown forever. The government should have sat tight at the level 3 or at least tried the level 4 for a week or 2.

    And just maybe, it's nothing to do with the doom and gloom merchants, and everything to do with the unfortunate fact that NPHET etc had advance warning of the case numbers going through the roof in Meath and Cavan as a result of some of the stupidity that went on in those 2 counties, and complete closedown was the only way to stop it becoming a complete disaster. As it is, the numbers in Meath went over 1000 per 100K last week, that's way beyong unsustainable for all sorts of reasons.

    Cavan is still treble the national average, Meath is still double the national average, they are starting to go down at last, but it's going to take time.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
    All of them tested negative, twice.
    I'm very confused.

    It seems that outcome is more common than we might think, and supports the theory of "super spreaders" , where it's believed as little as 20% of cases are responsible for 80% of transmissions.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/


  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

    38 now in ICU

    What were the case numbers at that time and how do they equate to today?


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