Gyms

Nobotty · 21-10-2020 3:22pm #1

I know there's a fitness forum but I think this deserves its own thread here

Why are Gym's closed or closing,?
Holohan yesterday on news at one said mass was stopped to avoid congregations and mixing of people
In a gym at the minute, you book in for an hours slot,are at least 2 metres from the next person if anyone at all and your equipment is sanitised before and after use
You leave alone

Where is the risk? Where is the congregation ?
What is the logic ? Vs healthy exercise and a blow off for mental health doing your body good
Not to mention if you're regularly going to a gym,you're also likely to be motivated to be eating healthier

yourdeadwright · 21-10-2020 3:27pm

Nobotty wrote: »

I know there's a fitness forum but I think this deserves its own thread here

Why are Gym's closed or closing,?
Holohan yesterday on news at one said mass was stopped to avoid congregations and mixing of people
In a gym at the minute, you book in for an hours slot,are at least 2 metres from the next person if anyone at all and your equipment is sanitised before and after use
You leave alone

Where is the risk? Where is the congregation ?
What is the logic ? Vs healthy exercise and a blow off for mental health doing your body good
Not to mention if you're regularly meeting a gym,you're also likely to be motivated to be eating healthier

I'd imagine its because it where people sweat and breath heavy if someone has the virus there's is a huge chance of them passing it on ,

Even if there is only 6 people in an hour you could get It ,

Also you can exercise outside of a gym so they are not essential more convenient,

Id like the gyms to be open as much as anyone but its easy to see why they are not open ,

Don't let all the gym owner's making a movement to reopen them fool you there number one motivation is the cash there losing out on ,

If they really cared they would make there clients aware that they can still stay fit , burn off the calories and stress of the week without a gym

salmocab · 21-10-2020 3:30pm

No masks being worn where people are sweating and moving about I’d think.

FlubberJones · 21-10-2020 3:34pm

Was in Ben Dunne Cherrywood this morning, the place is on two floors and absolutely cavernous, yet there were about 25 people max there... no concerns about social distancing, it was a natural occurrence

Padre_Pio · 21-10-2020 3:36pm

FlubberJones wrote: »

Was in Ben Dunne Cherrywood this morning, the place is on two floors and absolutely cavernous, yet there were about 25 people max there... no concerns about social distancing, it was a natural occurrence

I suppose its one rule for all though.

Plenty of small, tight gyms around. It's a shame, I think there should be a proper booking system, or even split a gym into bubbles, weight section totally separate from cardio. You book into one section only for 1hr.

Inquitus · 21-10-2020 3:37pm

Just go for a run or a cycle, exercising is not dependent on Gyms!

jrosen · 21-10-2020 3:38pm

At this stage I have not read anything that indicates gyms pose a high risk.

I think its unfortunate they have been forced to close, especially because we should be encouraging people to stay fit and healthy during this time.

Id love to see them fight back. I think its a kick in the teeth to all businesses who invested heavily in setting out their premises to be as covid safe as possible. They were already down revenue due to reduced capacity and many operating at a loss.

There are 2 gyms within reasonable distance to my home, Both of whom have lost hundreds of memberships. I would be concerned they wont re open especially as we will be faced with closures again in the new year.

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 3:39pm

Nobotty wrote: »

I know there's a fitness forum but I think this deserves its own thread here

Why are Gym's closed or closing,?
Holohan yesterday on news at one said mass was stopped to avoid congregations and mixing of people
In a gym at the minute, you book in for an hours slot,are at least 2 metres from the next person if anyone at all and your equipment is sanitised before and after use
You leave alone

Where is the risk? Where is the congregation ?
What is the logic ? Vs healthy exercise and a blow off for mental health doing your body good
Not to mention if you're regularly going to a gym,you're also likely to be motivated to be eating healthier

There is no logic to it. The single biggest policy intervention should be education for people to protect themselves by keeping healthy. However, this is not part of any of the official yellow covid posters and looking at the NPHET and government, it is no wonder that looking after your own personal health is not their single biggest focus.

Amirani · 21-10-2020 3:40pm

Nobotty wrote: »

In a gym at the minute, you book in for an hours slot,are at least 2 metres from the next person if anyone at all and your equipment is sanitised before and after use
You leave alone

Where is the risk? Where is the congregation ?
What is the logic ? Vs healthy exercise and a blow off for mental health doing your body good
Not to mention if you're regularly going to a gym,you're also likely to be motivated to be eating healthier

It has become increasingly clear that there is aerosolised spread of Covid.

Hence, if you're indoors, being more than 2 metres away from someone isn't sufficient to prevent transmission (particularly when masks aren't being worn and the place isn't sufficiently well ventilated - most Irish buildings aren't).

Padre_Pio · 21-10-2020 3:41pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Just go for a run or a cycle, exercising is not dependent on Gyms!

It's easy to say, but not so easy to do. Most people use gyms for weights, not cardio. Rare that anyone would have a useable weights setup at home. Classes and PT are gone too.

Short days, cold and wet weather would put most off going outside at the best of times.

Amirani wrote: »

It has become increasingly clear that there is aerosolised spread of Covid.

Hence, if you're indoors, being more than 2 metres away from someone isn't sufficient to prevent transmission (particularly when masks aren't being worn and the place isn't sufficiently well ventilated - most Irish buildings aren't).

These social distancing rules are only effective with short contact. You could be in a gym for an hour with other people, breathing heavily, condensation, AC recycling the air. Again, some gyms may be different and suitable, but its a blanket rule.

It's a balls! Gonna be a long winter.

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 3:43pm

Amirani wrote: »

It has become increasingly clear that there is aerosolised spread of Covid.

Hence, if you're indoors, being more than 2 metres away from someone isn't sufficient to prevent transmission (particularly when masks aren't being worn and the place isn't sufficiently well ventilated - most Irish buildings aren't).

The implication of that is that many multiples of the official recorded positives were actually infected over the last 8-12 months.

yourdeadwright · 21-10-2020 3:44pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

There is no logic to it. The single biggest policy intervention should be education for people to protect themselves by keeping healthy. However, this is not part of any of the official yellow covid posters and looking at the NPHET and government, it is no wonder that looking after your own personal health is not their single biggest focus.

I I don't think your getting the point that they are NOT essential, As you can work out or keep fit without them , they are very convenient without question ,

The whole idea behind lockdown is to only go places that are essential ,
If you can cut out contact of people then do it,
A gym is one of these places you don't have to go to
You can keep fit without a gym ,

I love the gym but i'm not sure how people don't understand the reasons they are closed,

FlubberJones · 21-10-2020 3:45pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Just go for a run or a cycle, exercising is not dependent on Gyms!

I find both of those dreary and also my knees are done from running of the years and I have no cycle.

I use the gym to lift weights, it's my "thing" and anyone that has an exercise "thing" knows what I mean.

TP_CM · 21-10-2020 3:46pm

It's just about minimising risk as much as possible. I think it's highly likely a coronavirus case came from a gym somewhere. So we have to close the gyms and remove the cases. It's not exactly ideal or maybe proportional but such is the nature of decisions during a pandemic. Closing a gym for 6 weeks isn't going to change anyone's life after that. By the way we're not facing another 6 weeks of lockdown because 90 per cent of people are breaking rules. We're locking down because 10 per cent of people are not abiding by the rules. This applies to people in gyms, restaurants, pubs, or anywhere else people congregate. We have to remember that actually most people are being responsible. Again the few are ruining things for the many.

stephenjmcd · 21-10-2020 3:48pm

FlubberJones wrote: »

Was in Ben Dunne Cherrywood this morning, the place is on two floors and absolutely cavernous, yet there were about 25 people max there... no concerns about social distancing, it was a natural occurrence

Am a member there myself, all very well run and everyone wiping down equipment after themselves

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 3:49pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I I don't think your getting the point that they are NOT essential, As you can work out or keep fit without them , they are very convenient without question ,

The whole idea behind lockdown is to only go places that are essential ,
If you can cut out contact of people then do it,
A gym is one of these places you don't have to go to
You can keep fit without a gym ,

I love the gym but i'm not sure how people don't understand the reasons they are closed,

People going to the gym are going to be effectively immune to it, particularly given their age profile but especially when combined with a healthy lifestyle. Assuming other measures are in place like social distancing, closed bars, restrictions on gatherings etc. it is a low risk activity to permit.

For example, the schools are remaining open, not for some BS about how important children's education is; but because covid is of negligible (i.e. effectively zero) concern to those of school going age. A similar risk-based approach should apply to gyms.

Mrs OBumble · 21-10-2020 3:50pm

Nobotty wrote: »

I
Holohan yesterday on news at one said mass was stopped to avoid congregations and mixing of people
In a gym at the minute, you book in for an hours slot,are at least 2 metres from the next person if anyone at all and your equipment is sanitised before and after use
You leave alone

Ya know, Mass at the moment is much the same: bookings, 45 minute slots, and households leave alone. In cavernous, drafty old buildings.

yourdeadwright · 21-10-2020 3:51pm

FlubberJones wrote: »

I find both of those dreary and also my knees are done from running of the years and I have no cycle.

I use the gym to lift weights, it's my "thing" and anyone that has an exercise "thing" knows what I mean.

It is also my "thing " I'm in several different type of gyms in one week but again its hardly a reason in these time to keep something open ,

Some peoples "thing " is a few pints or a nice meal ,

Its to stop non essential contact with other people, As much as I don't like it I can understand it ,

yourdeadwright · 21-10-2020 3:55pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

People going to the gym are going to be effectively immune to it, particularly given their age profile but especially when combined with a healthy lifestyle. Assuming other measures are in place like social distancing, closed bars, restrictions on gatherings etc. it is a low risk activity to permit.

For example, the schools are remaining open, not for some but because covid is of negligible (i.e. effectively zero) concern to those of school going age. A similar risk-based approach should apply to gyms.

People of all ages use gyms also people with aliments ,

"BS about how important children's education is "

Not sure if your serious but education is one of the important parts of society , I will say exercise is two but you can get that out of a gym

Again I wish the gyms where open but can understand the thinking ,

Dr. Dre · 21-10-2020 3:57pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

People going to the gym are going to be effectively immune to it, particularly given their age profile but especially when combined with a healthy lifestyle.........

Hahahahaha, absolutely cretinous

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 4:02pm

Dr. Dre wrote: »

Hahahahaha, absolutely cretinous

Back to your basement.

21-10-2020 4:02pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

People going to the gym are going to be effectively immune to it, particularly given their age profile but especially when combined with a healthy lifestyle..

Absolute fiction of the highest order and very dangerous if some people actually think this also.

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 4:03pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People of all ages use gyms also people with aliments ,

"BS about how important children's education is "

Not sure if your serious but education is one of the important parts of society , I will say exercise is two but you can get that out of a gym

Again I wish the gyms where open but can understand the thinking ,

I agree on education which is why schools should never have been closed and the LC cancelled. This is why I don't buy it now that somehow schools are okay to stay open. I feel it is a sensical risk based approach and feel gyms should fit into a similar risk based approach to what is and isn't acceptable.

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 4:04pm

Hassan Old-fashioned Stakeout wrote: »

Absolute fiction of the highest order and very dangerous if some people actually think this also.

Tell me how the virus is harmful to those under the age of 65 in general and, in particular, those without underlying illnesses under 65.

I'll wait.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 21-10-2020 4:08pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Just go for a run or a cycle, exercising is not dependent on Gyms!

This is a typical response I always get from people who don’t train.

partyguinness · 21-10-2020 4:11pm

Why?

Maybe it is so people can take time out to learn how to correctly use an apostrophe...:mad:

Padre_Pio · 21-10-2020 4:14pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

Tell me how the virus is harmful to those under the age of 65 in general and, in particular, those without underlying illnesses under 65.

I'll wait.

Plenty of under 65's have COVID and are out of action for weeks at a time. The long term health impacts of COVID are not fully known, but there's some evidence that it's not good. Reduced lung function, scarring etc. Also, plenty of under 65's have contact with over 65's, and, since the point of lockdown is to reduce social contact, having gyms open flies in the face of that.

I get what you're saying about schools.
I'm very skeptical of how it's ok to have 30-35 fifteen to seventeen year olds in the same room for 40 hours a week, yet a similar size gathering outside school is demonized.

Simply saying "young people go to the gym, young people are unaffected" is simplistic and wrong. Plenty of auld lads and ladies go to gyms too. More now the weather has turned.

yourdeadwright · 21-10-2020 4:16pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

I agree on education which is why schools should never have been closed and the LC cancelled. This is why I don't buy it now that somehow schools are okay to stay open. I feel it is a sensical risk based approach and feel gyms should fit into a similar risk based approach to what is and isn't acceptable.

Education is essential unfortunately lifting weights is not ,
You can keep fit by going for a walk or running or doing circuits outside, Its not ideal but you can do it ,

partyguinness · 21-10-2020 4:18pm

Hassan Old-fashioned Stakeout wrote: »

Absolute fiction of the highest order and very dangerous if some people actually think this also.

No. It is a pretty accurate and generally held view backed by the hard figures and science. Please note the word 'generally' as of course there are exceptions.

If you are fit and healthy and under 65 you are highly unlikely to be badly affected by C19.

Oranage2 · 21-10-2020 4:22pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Education is essential unfortunately lifting weights is not ,
You can keep fit by going for a walk or running or doing circuits outside, Its not ideal but you can do it ,

Exactly, see a tree branch do some chin ups, go for a swim in the local river, start lifting heavy rocks from one place to another. Lots of ways to exercise without a gym

yourdeadwright · 21-10-2020 4:23pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

This is a typical response I always get from people who don’t train.

Who don't train ?

Ye because no one has ever ran or cycled as training ,
,

Look lifting weights is great but its non essential , you can exercise without weights ,

Allinall · 21-10-2020 4:24pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

People going to the gym are going to be effectively immune to it, particularly given their age profile but especially when combined with a healthy lifestyle.

Nobody is immune, except possibly those that have already been infected.

Healthy lifestyle or fitness doesn't come in to it.

What you're possibly saying is that people going to the gym are not at any personal risk of the effects of the virus, which is probably true.

However, it doesn't get away from the fact that if the virus is contracted in the gym, then that person becomes a carrier and can infect multiple other people, some of who may be at great risk of danger.

partyguinness · 21-10-2020 4:26pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

Exactly, see a tree branch do some chin ups, go for a swim in the local river, start lifting heavy rocks from one place to another. Lots of ways to exercise without a gym

Very few people who go to the gym do so purely for exercise. It is mostly lifters that are the regular gym goers or maybe classes.

I run 60 miles a week marathon training and you will not find me anywhere near a gym. I will try to head back in the winter for some core and strength work but not for running/exercise.

You want a good cardio...run and eff the treadmill.

Padre_Pio · 21-10-2020 4:26pm

Allinall wrote: »

Nobody is immune, except possibly those that have already been infected.

Healthy lifestyle or fitness doesn't come in to it.

What you're possibly saying is that people going to the gym are not at any personal risk of the effects of the virus, which is probably true.

However, it doesn't get away from the fact that if the virus is contracted in the gym, then that person becomes a carrier and can infect multiple other people, some of who may be at great risk of danger.

Go to the gym, get COVID. Odds are you won't die. That's not a great statement to make though.

If you get COVID, then between recovery and isolation, you're out of it for a month. I'd rather train outside for a month, than risk doing nothing for a month.

Outkast_IRE · 21-10-2020 4:30pm

As someone who designs ventilation systems, i can tell you alot of gyms are particularly poor with regards to their setups and how to handle Covid 19.

The ideal system is a 100% full fresh air system , we design alot of buildings with these but rarely will you find one in a hotel or gym. If a gym had a huge quantity of openable windows and turned off the Air Conditioning units i would be fairly ok with it once numbers were controlled and cleanliness maintained.

Unfortunately alot of gyms have AC systems that recirculate the air with minimal fresh air added. These can spread airborne pathogens around the room in no time.

KennisWhale · 21-10-2020 4:35pm

Allinall wrote: »

Nobody is immune, except possibly those that have already been infected.

Healthy lifestyle or fitness doesn't come in to it.

What you're possibly saying is that people going to the gym are not at any personal risk of the effects of the virus, which is probably true.

However, it doesn't get away from the fact that if the virus is contracted in the gym, then that person becomes a carrier and can infect multiple other people, some of who may be at great risk of danger.

Yes, but I am saying the other measures like home gatherings, pubs etc being closed for this reset lockdown is fine which means the argument about gym goers infecting others should be muted. It's just gyms that should be essential in addition to the current list. Besides the risk based approach, the weather isn't what it was as we were coming up to summer.

Padre_Pio · 21-10-2020 4:38pm

KennisWhale wrote: »

Yes, but I am saying the other measures like home gatherings, pubs etc being closed for this reset lockdown is fine which means the argument about gym goers infecting others should be muted. It's just gyms that should be essential in addition to the current list. Besides the risk based approach, the weather isn't what it was as we were coming up to summer.

You think it's fine because you want it to be fine.

Some would say home gatherings are essential.
Restaurants are essential.
Garden centres are essential.
Moving outside of a 5k radius is essential.

It's not for us to say unfortunately.

I don't agree with a lot of it, but it's a waste of time to argue.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 21-10-2020 4:41pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Very few people who go to the gym do so purely for exercise. It is mostly lifters that are the regular gym goers or maybe classes.

I run 60 miles a week marathon training and you will not find me anywhere near a gym. I will try to head back in the winter for some core and strength work but not for running/exercise.

You want a good cardio...run and eff the treadmill.

My work is quite demanding, I walk on average 150k a week so cardio isn’t the problem. Lifting weights is my only outlet after work. I don’t know want to cycle or run after all of that.

Hurrache · 21-10-2020 4:42pm

partyguinness wrote: »

No. It is a pretty accurate and generally held view backed by the hard figures and science. Please note the word 'generally' as of course there are exceptions.

If you are fit and healthy and under 65 you are highly unlikely to be badly affected by C19.

This is the problem right here. This idea that some people are likely to be unaffected by it seems to go hand in hand with the idea that because you're likely to be unaffected, you're also unlikely to carry and spread it.

It's dumb.

cloudatlas · 21-10-2020 4:47pm

In practice is the equipment actually being sanitised after use?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 21-10-2020 4:50pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

In practice is the equipment actually being sanitised after use?

Only speaking for my own gym here. Yes. When you go in you’ve to take a towel and a spray bottle. Sanitize before and after using the machines. They’re only leaving people in on the dot of every hour too, one way, in the front door and out the back door. Bookings only. It’s been run as well as it could be in fairness.

sky88 · 21-10-2020 4:58pm

From my experience 80% of the people are cleaning down everything after using it

I was in flyefit and they really gave everything to make it as safe as possible but the 20% just didn’t want to do it

partyguinness · 21-10-2020 4:58pm

Hurrache wrote: »

This is the problem right here. This idea that some people are likely to be unaffected by it seems to go hand in hand with the idea that because you're likely to be unaffected, you're also unlikely to carry and spread it.

It's dumb.

You are putting words in my mouth. I wrote a narrow post due to time constraints. Yes I could expand it by saying that just because one is not affected does not mean they cannot infect other people unwittingly.

partyguinness · 21-10-2020 5:02pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

My work is quite demanding, I walk on average 150k a week so cardio isn’t the problem. Lifting weights is my only outlet after work. I don’t know want to cycle or run after all of that.

Well yes that is my point. Most regular gym goers I know are weight lifters so the whole "Oh just go for a walk in the park" is not a fair alternative.

I have the opposite problem. I run 5 days week between 50-60 miles in total so I cannot face the gym for weights also even though it is literally across the road.

Hurrache · 21-10-2020 5:02pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Yes I could expand it by saying that just because one is not affected does not mean they cannot infect other people unwittingly.

Well that's the issue, gyms are not sterile, surface or air, and no different than other enclosed spaces when it comes to spreading it.

yourdeadwright · 21-10-2020 5:05pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Well yes that is my point. Most regular gym goers I know are weight lifters so the whole "Oh just go for a walk in the park" is not a fair alternative.

I have the opposite problem. I run 5 days week between 50-60 miles in total so I cannot face the gym for weights also even though it is literally across the road.

Not fair doesn't come into it ,

People up and down the country and all over the world are losing there jobs thats "not Fair "

Lifting weights is not essential for health and fitness that is the reason they are closed ,

Again I don't like it myself id love to be able to go the gym still but its quite easy to understand it ,

Thelonious Monk · 21-10-2020 5:26pm

I go to Westwood Clontarf, I went for the last time before lockers yesterday. They have limits on how many are meant to be in the sauna/steam room. It says 4 in the steam room, and I went in yesterday and counted 8 people. So I waited outside for a while but more people just started going in. Groups of young lads seem to meet there to work out too, I think that's the kind of thing we want to avoid for the next 6 weeks.
I don't know if disease is spreading in gyms or not but I don't see how it couldn't really.
Anyway jogging in autumn is quite nice I've discovered, if you have a park nearby.

Thelonious Monk · 21-10-2020 5:28pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

This is a typical response I always get from people who don’t train.

I "train", but I'm not a professional athlete, so who cares if I can't lift weights for a few weeks. I'm sure you can manage. The lockdown is going to suck for all of us.

partyguinness · 21-10-2020 5:38pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not fair doesn't come into it ,

People up and down the country and all over the world are losing there jobs thats "not Fair "

Lifting weights is not essential for health and fitness that is the reason they are closed ,

Again I don't like it myself id love to be able to go the gym still but its quite easy to understand it ,

I think you have misinterpreted me.

I wasn't using the word 'fair' as in "It's not fair to close gyms".

Not a 'fair' comparative as in telling weight lifters that they should go for a walk in the park as if it is the same thing. It is not.

Personally, I have no issues with gyms being closed but then again, I am not a frequenter.

DeanAustin · 21-10-2020 5:44pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not fair doesn't come into it ,

People up and down the country and all over the world are losing there jobs thats "not Fair "

Lifting weights is not essential for health and fitness that is the reason they are closed ,

Again I don't like it myself id love to be able to go the gym still but its quite easy to understand it ,

Exactly this. It's not the government's job to provide a like for like alternative for everyone. They're trying to manage a pandemic here.

I've lost golf and the gym today. I'm dreading the next 6 weeks. But it's a fairly small price to pay when you have people suffering in hospitals and other people losing their jobs worried sick how they are going to support their families.

Everyone has to play their part and this is a small sacrifice. We need to suck it up.

Rrrrrr2 · 21-10-2020 5:48pm

DeanAustin wrote: »

Exactly this. It's not the government's job to provide a like for like alternative for everyone. They're trying to manage a pandemic here.

I've lost golf and the gym today. I'm dreading the next 6 weeks. But it's a fairly small price to pay when you have people suffering in hospitals and other people losing their jobs worried sick how they are going to support their families.

Everyone has to play their part and this is a small sacrifice. We need to suck it up.

It'll make fcuk all difference- not sure why people still think shutting random things down actually "works" (I can't even define what works means anymore).
Your sacrifice is for absolutely nothing as you'll see from this lockdown and the previous one and probably the next one. You've bought into a lie and fantasy.

Gyms

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