Gyms

keithb93

Open the gyms up and enforce mask wearing, problem solved. I would wear one while in the gym as I mostly lift weights so it wouldn't effect me that much. If someone can't wear a mask in the gym, they don't have to go. Plenty of gyms in the U.S. enforce mask wearing in order to stay open.

DeanAustin

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

It'll make fcuk all difference- not sure why people still think shutting random things down actually "works" (I can't even define what works means anymore).
Your sacrifice is for absolutely nothing as you'll see from this lockdown and the previous one and probably the next one. You've bought into a lie and fantasy.

It will make a difference like it did last time. The cases will drop in 6 weeks. If they don't, I'll buy you a steak dinner.

It's worked in Australia and it's worked in Israel.

johnire

Well said. I applaud you.

DeanAustin wrote: »

Exactly this. It's not the government's job to provide a like for like alternative for everyone. They're trying to manage a pandemic here.

I've lost golf and the gym today. I'm dreading the next 6 weeks. But it's a fairly small price to pay when you have people suffering in hospitals and other people losing their jobs worried sick how they are going to support their families.

Everyone has to play their part and this is a small sacrifice. We need to suck it up.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I "train", but I'm not a professional athlete, so who cares if I can't lift weights for a few weeks. I'm sure you can manage. The lockdown is going to suck for all of us.

I’m looking at this purely from a mental health point of view. I honestly don’t care what I look like or if I lose muscle mass, I really don’t. The mental health aspect of not sticking to my gym schedule will absolutely kill me.

Padre_Pio

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I’m looking at this purely from a mental health point of view. I honestly don’t care what I look like or if I lose muscle mass, I really don’t. The mental health aspect of not sticking to my gym schedule will absolutely kill me.

How did you cope when the gyms were closed for months earlier this year?

Thelonious Monk

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I’m looking at this purely from a mental health point of view. I honestly don’t care what I look like or if I lose muscle mass, I really don’t. The mental health aspect of not sticking to my gym schedule will absolutely kill me.

really if it's that essential to your mental health I would seek professional help, a therapist, they are still available during lockdown over zoom etc

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Padre_Pio wrote: »

How did you cope when the gyms were closed for months earlier this year?

I was living in a place where I could put weights in a shed and train on my own. I don’t have access to that anymore.

Funsterdelux

My local Supervalu very enterprising this week. Big stack of Exercise Bikes for sale. Not sure of quality or storage, but the box was quite compact.

hynesie08

In my capacity as a minister for the universal life church, I volunteer my services to any gym to conduct weddings..... Up to 25 people and if they have to sit on spin machines instead of chairs...... So be it.

salmocab

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Only speaking for my own gym here. Yes. When you go in you’ve to take a towel and a spray bottle. Sanitize before and after using the machines. They’re only leaving people in on the dot of every hour too, one way, in the front door and out the back door. Bookings only. It’s been run as well as it could be in fairness.

My gym sent out an email saying the machines aren’t for underwater use and could people please spray the blue roll to wipe the equipment With rather than spraying the equipment and wiping it off. In general from what I saw people were very good about doing it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

really if it's that essential to your mental health I would seek professional help, a therapist, they are still available during lockdown over zoom etc

Unless a councillor has a bench press and squat rack in their office I’m not sure what benefit that would be for me. Also, kind of condescending.

j@utis

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

really if it's that essential to your mental health I would seek professional help, a therapist, they are still available during lockdown over zoom etc

You're totally wrong. It does tons to mental health, it's about having a plan, something else to focus on than all this sh1te going around us. It took me 3 months to rebuild my lost strength from last time, so not a big deal but mental toll is far greater. I'm looking for something bad to do and feel good about it, any suggestions?

FlubberJones

j@utis wrote: »

You're totally wrong. It does tons to mental health, it's about having a plan, something else to focus on than all this sh1te going around us. It took me 3 months to rebuild my lost strength from last time, so not a big deal but mental toll is far greater. I'm looking for something bad to do and feel good about it, any suggestions?

Same here, my last session today and felt stronger than the last to months... And now another 6 weeks out. Really not sure how many "come backs" I have left in me..

Thelonious Monk

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Unless a councillor has a bench press and squat rack in their office I’m not sure what benefit that would be for me. Also, kind of condescending.

He would be able to help you figure out why you can't be happy without lifting weights, that's not good. I would look into mindfulness if I were you, or read some Eckhart Tolle, it helps calm the mind.

j@utis

Is this true:
https://beat102103.com/news/gym-owner-to-defy-level-5-restrictions-and-open-tomorrow/?fbclid=IwAR23uzK5ekloxsTsaAOwlyxKAORaR6s0ywtl_Hn5LCsC_r5CfQxoDEAhYH0

salmocab

j@utis wrote: »

Is this true:
https://beat102103.com/news/gym-owner-to-defy-level-5-restrictions-and-open-tomorrow/?fbclid=IwAR23uzK5ekloxsTsaAOwlyxKAORaR6s0ywtl_Hn5LCsC_r5CfQxoDEAhYH0

It’ll be like the bar owner a few months back, he’ll open the guards will turn up and tell him to cop on. He’ll make a statement saying he decided to close get a bit of publicity and that’ll be that.

Tenzor07

j@utis wrote: »

Is this true:

Most likely he will be getting a visit soon from the long arm of the law:


https://news.sky.com/video/liverpool-gym-hit-with-fine-from-armed-police-12104755

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

salmocab wrote: »

It’ll be like the bar owner a few months back, he’ll open the guards will turn up and tell him to cop on. He’ll make a statement saying he decided to close get a bit of publicity and that’ll be that.

The gyms in Liverpool got their own way by defying the authorities.

Rrrrrr2

DeanAustin wrote: »

It will make a difference like it did last time. The cases will drop in 6 weeks. If they don't, I'll buy you a steak dinner.

It's worked in Australia and it's worked in Israel.

Then shoot back up again- waste of time and money we don’t have. But yea great success

vafankillar

i can't continue to go the gym to keep mentally & physically healthy but i can serve people alcohol, smokes, lotto tickets/scratch cards all day in work. absolutely nuts

beggars_bush

Hassan Old-fashioned Stakeout wrote: »

Absolute fiction of the highest order and very dangerous if some people actually think this also.

There's been a study on it... its true

cdeb

It's irrelevant. Lots of people are asymptomatic, but they are still responsible for the spread of the disease. That's the name of the game here - the bigger picture, not individual "I'm alright Jack" selfishness. Someone picking up the disease in a gym may well infect someone who is more prone to either dying from it, or of getting nasty side-effects from it.

On mental health btw - a walk in nature is great for that. Even if you're in a city, there's surely a park within 5km? The idea that you need a gym for your mental health is daft. How did people manage before gyms? If weights is your thing, you can buy a set and have them at home.

There's no reason that gyms need to be open.

DeanAustin

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Then shoot back up again- waste of time and money we don’t have. But yea great success

They may well although it hasn’t happened in Israel or Australia yet. But the object of the exercise isn’t to eliminate the virus. It’s to try and ensure that hospitals aren’t overwhelmed.

Even the government is accepting this is a cycle rather than a way of getting back to a normal life. So there is sense in what they are doing.

Tenzor07

cdeb wrote: »

It's irrelevant. Lots of people are asymptomatic, but they are still responsible for the spread of the disease. That's the name of the game here - the bigger picture, not individual "I'm alright Jack" selfishness.
On mental health btw - a walk in nature is great for that. Even if you're in a city, there's surely a park within 5km? The idea that you need a gym for your mental health is daft. How did people manage before gyms? If weights is your thing, you can buy a set and have them at home.

There's no reason that gyms need to be open.

I hate to agree with a Mod on the Chess forum...but... I can see why gyms are being closed, the wiping down of sweat from weights/machines is one that a lot of gym users will pay scant attention to, i know the gym attendants will do there best but still, heavy breathing associated with exercise..lack of distance between machines..and not to mention if the shower/locker area is open? Groups of lads congregating at in areas waiting for machines etc..

Golf courses being closed on the other hand? Crazy! Played outdoors and can be done solo or in small groups, go back to your car afterwards so extremely limited contacts..

KennisWhale

Padre_Pio wrote: »

You think it's fine because you want it to be fine.

Some would say home gatherings are essential.
Restaurants are essential.
Garden centres are essential.
Moving outside of a 5k radius is essential.

It's not for us to say unfortunately.

I don't agree with a lot of it, but it's a waste of time to argue.

Good God, the ignorance.

You think working out to keep yourself healthy is on the same level as a garden centre or a restaurant?

You are being purposely obtuse. This is a respiratory virus that only leads to complications in the very old and vulnerable. The best defence you can have is to eat more wholefoods, less processed crap, no alcohol or other drugs, don't be fat, exercise, sleep enough, reduce stress and drink a lot of water. This is the primary defence for all of society against covid. In this context, the risk of gyms (implementing good hygiene and social distancing - which of course are as important as masks) is negated by their health benefits.

cdeb

It's not true it only leads to complications in the very old and vulnerable. Primarily, yes - although "vulnerable" includes people with diabetes and asthma, and there's no reason they wouldn't be in a gym.

But the main point is that arguing that once you're ok, nothing else matters, is the definition of selfishness. If you pick it up at the gym and pass it on to someone, then that's an issue. That's what we're trying to stop here.

cdeb

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I hate to agree with a Mod on the Chess forum...but...

Not entirely sure what being a mod on the chess forum as to do with my point really?

KennisWhale

vafankillar wrote: »

i can't continue to the gym to keep mentally & physically healthy but i can serve people alcohol, smokes, lotto tickets/scratch cards all day in work. absolutely nuts

The sale of cigarettes and alcohol should be banned while gyms are banned. Fast food takeaways should also be closed. Otherwise, it is another hypocrisy in this bizarre covid hysteria society we live in.

cloudatlas

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Only speaking for my own gym here. Yes. When you go in you’ve to take a towel and a spray bottle. Sanitize before and after using the machines. They’re only leaving people in on the dot of every hour too, one way, in the front door and out the back door. Bookings only. It’s been run as well as it could be in fairness.

So I have to rely on someone who is less accountable and probably less thorough to clean the machine I'll be using, Yikes!

HBC08

Padre_Pio wrote: »

It's easy to say, but not so easy to do. Most people use gyms for weights, not cardio. Rare that anyone would have a useable weights setup at home. Classes and PT are gone too.

Short days, cold and wet weather would put most off going outside at the best of times.



These social distancing rules are only effective with short contact. You could be in a gym for an hour with other people, breathing heavily, condensation, AC recycling the air. Again, some gyms may be different and suitable, but its a blanket rule.

It's a balls! Gonna be a long winter.

I realise it's not the same thing but its easy to buy weights or kettlebells online.
I hate gyms but have stuff at home and follow programs,it's certainly doable for 6 weeks.Add in some running and you've got most things covered.

KennisWhale

cdeb wrote: »

It's not true it only leads to complications in the very old and vulnerable. Primarily, yes - although "vulnerable" includes people with diabetes and asthma, and there's no reason they wouldn't be in a gym.

But the main point is that arguing that once you're ok, nothing else matters, is the definition of selfishness. If you pick it up at the gym and pass it on to someone, then that's an issue. That's what we're trying to stop here.

The first paragraph is utter nonsense. You could make the exact argument for always closing gyms irrespective of covid as they are vulnerable in general. What a ridiculous argument; "some people have health issues so close society".

The second paragraph again is failing to acknowledge the risk based approach which should be undertaken. Gyms offer a multitude of health benefits and the best defence to covid is healthy people. Why do you think schools are open and not closed? Kids can pass it on to parents who can pass it on in shops etc. It's the exact same point. However, with schools, there is no social distancing with kids. Absolutely none. Clearly a risk based approach has been taken due to the social and mental wellbeing balanced against the virus being of negligible effect to kids and against the risk they spread it to parents and other family. There is no black and white position here, as you can see with the kids in schools. Covid still spreads.

cdeb

KennisWhale wrote: »

The sale of cigarettes and alcohol should be banned while gyms are banned. Fast food takeaways should also be closed. Otherwise, it is another hypocrisy in this bizarre covid hysteria society we live in.

No hypocrisy at all.

Shops have to be open. Once you accept that, it's no matter if they serve alcohol/smokes or not.

Fast food takeaways are open on a takeaway basis only, not sit down. This is so that people don't congregate and spread the disease.

The name of the game here isn't to force people to be 100% healthy. It's to stop the spread of covid. They're two very different things.

JJayoo

You can't expect girls to take arse selfies at home

Nobotty

cloudatlas wrote: »

So I have to rely on someone who is less accountable and probably less thorough to clean the machine I'll be using, Yikes!

No
Where you clean, they also clean,locally here anyway
There's also a sanitising smoke blower used regularly
All windows are open in ours
Gyms should really be certified on a case by case basis IMO as they really are something essential to a lot of people

hotmail.com

It seems a majority of gym users want the gyms to remain open.

It's what the public wants.

cdeb

KennisWhale wrote: »

The first paragraph is utter nonsense. You could make the exact argument for always closing gyms irrespective of covid as they are vulnerable in general. What a ridiculous argument; "some people have health issues so close society".

No, you couldn't make the same argument for closing gyms in general. Asthma/diabetes are very easily controllable illnesses. They're common illnesses too. And they don't react well with covid. That's the kicker here.

KennisWhale wrote: »

The second paragraph again is failing to acknowledge the risk based approach which should be undertaken. Gyms offer a multitude of health benefits and the best defence to covid is healthy people.

No, the best defence to covid is quashing it.

There are other ways to get healthy than going to a gym. There were healthy people before gyms came along. I know that'll be a surprise to you, but there you go.

KennisWhale wrote: »

Why do you think schools are open and not closed? Kids can pass it on to parents who can pass it on in shops etc. It's the exact same point.

Schools being open is a controversial point, sure, but ultimately education is essential. A gym is not. Lots of people have pointed out why in this thread.

KennisWhale

cdeb wrote: »

No hypocrisy at all.

Shops have to be open. Once you accept that, it's no matter if they serve alcohol/smokes or not.

Fast food takeaways are open on a takeaway basis only, not sit down. This is so that people don't congregate and spread the disease.

The name of the game here isn't to force people to be 100% healthy. It's to stop the spread of covid. They're two very different things.

Stop the spread? Why?

cdeb

So hospitals don't get overrun.

So we can continue to deal with the number of people who have the disease and keep deaths and side-effects down to a minimum.

Have you been listening to anything since March? Or do you think that because you lift a few weights, you're immune and nothing else matters?

KennisWhale

cdeb wrote: »

No, you couldn't make the same argument for closing gyms in general. Asthma/diabetes are very easily controllable illnesses. They're common illnesses too. And they don't react well with covid. That's the kicker here.


No, the best defence to covid is quashing it.

There are other ways to get healthy than going to a gym. There were healthy people before gyms came along. I know that'll be a surprise to you, but there you go.


Schools being open is a controversial point, sure, but ultimately education is essential. A gym is not. Lots of people have pointed out why in this thread.

Quashing covid? Okay so now I see the ignorance showing through. A flat curver mindset here.

You are wrong. It is a pretty harmless virus for the under 65s, all data sets show this. Therefore, as with the flu, the best defence to it is being healthy. Do you think a vaccine is like a silver bullet where you take it and that's covid done for? There are no guarantees in that regard so it is just one line of defence. But for people that keep themselves healthy, covid won't be a concern.

HBC08

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I’m looking at this purely from a mental health point of view. I honestly don’t care what I look like or if I lose muscle mass, I really don’t. The mental health aspect of not sticking to my gym schedule will absolutely kill me.

If the inconvenience of not being able to go to the gym for 6 weeks is going to send your mental health into a spiral then you have bigger problems than not being able to go to the gym

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

HBC08 wrote: »

If the inconvenience of not being able to go to the gym for 6 weeks is going to send your mental health into a spiral then you have bigger problems than not being able to go to the gym

Lots of armchair psychologists on here tonight...

vafankillar

cdeb wrote: »

No hypocrisy at all.

Shops have to be open. Once you accept that, it's no matter if they serve alcohol/smokes or not.

if you can close down most of the country, it's hardly too far fetched to limited purchases in supermarkets.

The whole idea is to stay home and stay safe and only leave for essentials purchases, not make daily trips to supermarkets cos you're bored or need your fix of scratch cards.

nullzero

Inquitus wrote: »

Just go for a run or a cycle, exercising is not dependent on Gyms!

Seems like a logical statement however if you're out running in the cold and wet you're more likely to lower your immune system and be at risk of picking up a cold etc, particularly if you've been training in a gym and then jumping straight into outdoor cardio training.

Personally I rely on the cross trainer as I picked up a number of knee injuries playing football a few years ago. I can go out for a run but I'm reasonably likely to aggravate my knee by doing so. Also I train first thing in the morning, so I have to contend with the added danger of running in the dark at this time of year.

I know that having been in the gym every week day since it reopened I am in a safe environment in relation to Covid but I'm also aware that convincing non gym goers that this is the case is impossible as looking at the gym situation as an outsider it seems like an ideal breeding ground for Covid.

Ideally Gyms would still be open, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I could convince somebody who isn't a gym goer that they aren't a risk, all me and my fellow gym goers can hope for is a more nuanced approach to any future lockdowns (as they are sure to happen in the new year).

cdeb

KennisWhale wrote: »

Quashing covid? Okay so now I see the ignorance showing through. A flat curver mindset here.

You are wrong. It is a pretty harmless virus for the under 65s, all data sets show this. Therefore, as with the flu, the best defence to it is being healthy. Do you think a vaccine is like a silver bullet where you take it and that's covid done for? There are no guarantees in that regard so it is just one line of defence. But for people that keep themselves healthy, covid won't be a concern.

What data shows it's "pretty harmless for the under 65s"? Please include in this the effect of hospital overruns which would inevitably happen in your scenario. And please ensure to include side-effects such as lung damage, risk of stroke, fatigue, depression, etc, which are all listed as side-effects on wiki. Don't want just a reiteration of death rates.

"It's like the flu" is pure Donald Trump bull**** tbh. Typical of someone whose argument is "A flat-curver mindset here". Heaven forbid I actually listen to the advice of the top doctors in the country and the world.

Otherwise, I don't think logic is going to be your strong point, so I'll duck out.

cdeb

nullzero wrote: »

Seems like a logical statement however if you're out running in the cold and wet you're more likely to lower your immune system

Do you know what's good for your immune system?

Actually getting a sniffle and giving your immune system something to do.

Seriously. Indoor life is why asthma rates in particular (and allergies I think) are so much higher there days.

KennisWhale

cdeb wrote: »

So hospitals don't get overrun.

So we can continue to deal with the number of people who have the disease and keep deaths and side-effects down to a minimum.

Have you been listening to anything since March? Or do you think that because you lift a few weights, you're immune and nothing else matters?

"You lift a few weights". Haha, so good.

Why would hospitals get overrun? You're are nearly there, just need to keep going on your train of thought. Hospitals would get overrun because people need treatment, correct?

However, people won't need treatment if the main policy was to provide education and supports for greater physical health.

The very old and very vulnerable (important word "very"), from all our data thus far, are clearly those who are at risk of getting seriously ill from covid. However, this is a tiny portion of society. For the vast majority (note "vast"), with a health focus (as outlined) they will be fine in almost all cases. Gyms fit into this health policy which should be the primary government focus with covid.

cdeb

KennisWhale wrote: »

However, people won't need treatment if the main policy was to provide education and supports for greater physical health.

Have you a source that says going to the gym will definitively mean you won't be hospitalised from this? Or are you just making things up that suit your point of view here?

What about the fact (and it is a fact) that you can get the benefits of going to a gym elsewhere (either at home or outdoors)?

"Very" is your word - again, source that "very vulnerable" as opposed to "vulnerable" is relevant here? Is asthma "very vulnerable" in your world? That's 40k people here. Diabetes? That's 300k people.

Lot of people for you to not give a **** about

nullzero

cdeb wrote: »

Do you know what's good for your immune system?

Actually getting a sniffle and giving your immune system something to do.

Seriously. Indoor life is why asthma rates in particular (and allergies I think) are so much higher there days.

I agree that the immune system needs to be put through its paces but given the choice I'd prefer to be doing my cardio exercise on a cross trainer in the gym than running on wet pavements in the dark and running the risk of injury.

cdeb

nullzero wrote: »

I agree that the immune system needs to be put through its paces but given the choice I'd prefer to be doing my cardio exercise on a cross trainer in the gym than running on wet pavements in the dark and running the risk of injury.

If that's your choice of preference, that's fine.

But your argument that "if you're out running in the cold and wet you're more likely to lower your immune system" is wrong, I think.

Aph2016

Open the gyms, the most susceptible won't be in a gym anyway.