Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Icyseanfitz · 20-10-2020 04:54PM

Hubertj wrote: »

they don’t the right to do this unless public health guidance supports it. Otherwise it’s just people refusing to go to work because they think it is unsafe. Everyone’s an expert now

a trade union doesnt have the right to strike

Forsa dont think its unsafe for SNAs, they know it is like anyone else who actually works within a school, do you?

Hubertj · 20-10-2020 04:57PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

a trade union doesnt have the right to strike Forsa dont think its unsafe for SNAs, they know it is like anyone else who actually works within a school, do you?

They do or don’t think it’s unsafe? Either way, schools can only close if it is based on public health guidance, not some self important union officials.

Icyseanfitz · 20-10-2020 04:58PM

Hubertj wrote: »

They do or don’t think it’s unsafe? Either way, schools can only close if it is based on public health guidance, not some self important union officials.

How about you read the article and figure it out? staff can go on strike if their unions want it, public health can do nothing about that.

irishblessing · 20-10-2020 05:01PM

Hubertj wrote: »

They do or don’t think it’s unsafe? Either way, schools can only close if it is based on public health guidance, not some self important union officials.

This is an important point from the article:

"Some schools have been left to fend for themselves without HSE intervention resulting in decisions to send home year groups or close schools completely.

It’s clear that many schools are not being informed of cases which means the true number of Covid cases in schools is unknown and likely to be significantly higher than the 246 additional cases reported by the department yesterday."

Dr. Fauci, one of the worlds leading experts on infectious diseases, didn't think it was possible to keep schools open at a level 5 situation. He's not just a self important union head.

Hubertj · 20-10-2020 05:02PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

How about you read the article and figure it out? staff can go on strike if their unions want it, public health can do nothing about that.

So they are going on strike without evidence that schools are unsafe? If they have evidence then public health officials should assess. And I mean actual evidence, not hearsay and rumour off boards. If there is then schools should close. That decision is not up to a union official.

History Queen · 20-10-2020 05:04PM

Hubertj wrote: »

So they are going on strike without evidence that schools are unsafe? If they have evidence then public health officials should assess. And I mean actual evidence, not hearsay and rumour off boards. If there is then schools should close. That decision is not up to a union official.

Their evidence is their members actual experience on the ground.

Icyseanfitz · 20-10-2020 05:05PM

Hubertj wrote: »

So they are going on strike without evidence that schools are unsafe? If they have evidence then public health officials should assess. And I mean actual evidence, not hearsay and rumour off boards. If there is then schools should close. That decision is not up to a union official.

did you even read the bloody article? there is no strike yet

btw, good look running a school if all unions are on strike after midterm

s1ippy · 20-10-2020 05:07PM

Did anyone hear John Boyle on drivetime?

meeeeh · 20-10-2020 05:09PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

did you even read the bloody article? there is no strike yet

btw, good look running a school if all unions are on strike after midterm

Well if they feel so strongly about it then they are free to stand outside in rain, in groups and with no pay. Sure there is no danger in that. I'm sure they will have huge support.

Smacruairi · 20-10-2020 05:13PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Well if they feel so strongly about it then they are free to stand outside in rain, in groups and with no pay. Sure there is no danger in that. I'm sure they will have huge support.

So special needs assistants now have an entitlement complex? Remember these were ones that tried to volunteer to do contact tracing but the HSE couldn't be arsed coming up with a plan to absorb them into their systems so left them... And now we can't contact trace effectively.

Do you always support organisations over the opinions of the workers? Nurses were threatening action a while back, consultants and doctors too. This isn't an isolated incident you know.

History Queen · 20-10-2020 05:16PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Well if they feel so strongly about it then they are free to stand outside in rain, in groups and with no pay. Sure there is no danger in that. I'm sure they will have huge support.

Glad they have your permission to strike. They don't need public support. Strikes are generally more effective the more they disrupt.

lulublue22 · 20-10-2020 05:16PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Well if they feel so strongly about it then they are free to stand outside in rain, in groups and with no pay. Sure there is no danger in that. I'm sure they will have huge support.

You might find some schools won’t be able to operate without their SNA’s .

irishblessing · 20-10-2020 05:17PM

Tarbert Comprehensive school principal (Kerry) has sent a letter to parents telling them the DES has overridden the school's decision to close in light of numerous cases and circumstances and ordered them to reopen. The principal also tells parents directly what the DES said in regards to providing remote learning. School is to stick to guidelines only and provide support for students only medically certified at "very high risk." Support is not to be provided in any other circumstances "because of fear of infection." Principal concludes their overriding rule of thumb in their career is "what is the right thing to do" and will continue to do. Parents from school angrily commenting and said their children got on very well online and supported the principal's decision. Jaysus.

Fair play to the principal.

Just heard today from a few other parents there are "loads" of pupils not in the schools right now. Lack of trust here all around.

meeeeh · 20-10-2020 05:17PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

So special needs assistants now have an entitlement complex? Remember these were ones that tried to volunteer to do contact tracing but the HSE couldn't be arsed coming up with a plan to absorb them into their systems so left them... And now we can't contact trace effectively.

Do you always support organisations over the opinions of the workers? Nurses were threatening action a while back, consultants and doctors too. This isn't an isolated incident you know.

As I said it's their right to protest.

And other people have a right to make up their mind about the protest. I'm sure the thousands of workers who just lost their jobs will be very understanding.

eagle eye · 20-10-2020 05:20PM

meeeeh wrote:

As I said it's their right to protest.

And other people have a right to make up their mind about the protest. I'm sure the thousands of workers who just lost their jobs will be very understanding.

Do you work? I'm starting to suspect you don't
Do you have kids? I'm pretty confident you don't.

meeeeh · 20-10-2020 05:23PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you work? I'm starting to suspect you don't
Do you have kids? I'm pretty confident you don't.

Family business and two. You see I actually know how it is telling people we need to close (not this time) and trying to work out what to do so they will be affected as little as possible and we will still be able to survive.

As I said great sympathy for striking now and refusing to do their job.

eagle eye · 20-10-2020 05:28PM

meeeeh wrote:

Family business and two. You see I actually know how it is telling people we need to close (not this time) and trying to work out how they will be affected as little as possible and we will still be able to survive.

Both for the national health and the economy a lockdown is required for the long term success of both.

Short term thinkers, those who spend everything the minute they get it or have loans coming out of their behind which they can't afford with any blip are all against a lockdown.

Nobody wants it but it's necessary. Schools should be shut and the lockdown will get shorter.
You'll see in a couple of weeks that community transmission won't drop as much as expected and cases in the home won't drop very much.

Smacruairi · 20-10-2020 05:28PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Family business and two. You see I actually know how it is telling people we need to close (not this time) and trying to work out what to do so they will be affected as little as possible and we will still be able to survive.

As I said great sympathy for striking now and refusing to do their job.

Enjoy accepting your lot in life. "I'm alright Jack", when others are trying to raise the standards of existence in schools, hospitals and beyond. Neither your support or sarcasm is needed by Forsa, and thankfully the families working with SNAs and school support staff, many of whom don't have pension plans or proper working conditions from the DES, will come to their own unbiased conclusions.

meeeeh · 20-10-2020 05:31PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Both for the national health and the economy a lockdown is required for the long term success of both.

Short term thinkers, those who spend everything the minute they get it or have loans coming out of their behind which they can't afford with any blip are all against a lockdown.

Are you sure it's not a bit drafty on that high horse.

irishblessing · 20-10-2020 05:36PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Are you sure it's not a bit drafty on that high horse.

Careful there or you'll get a ticking off from Mrsmum

Smacruairi · 20-10-2020 05:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The point on Dublin is that cases have stopped growing at level 3.- with schools open.

I'll forever keep coming back to this poster, who insisted with ardent zeal that it is impossible for schools to be playing a part.

We are now on over 1200 cases and 13 deaths and numbers in Dublin are back to growing despite ever more increasing restrictions.

downthemiddle · 20-10-2020 05:40PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The only lack of respect being shown on this thread is the lack of respect from some teachers and parents for the expertise of the public health specialists who have determined that schools are safe to open.

If you had an in depth conversation with a doctor who works in public health and he told you this system was not fit for purpose would you still feel the same way? The guidelines are quite specific, if there is a case of Covid in a school community the school must wait for contact from public health. They are not to take any action until that contact is made. If a doctor told you that because of the backlog in cases they were unable to contact schools would you still have faith in the system ? Do you believe it is disrespectful to question a system that clearly is not working?

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 05:47PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Did anyone hear John Boyle on drivetime?

What was he saying?

mohawk · 20-10-2020 05:49PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No question that everyone is still learning about this disease. For example, at the start, on the lessons learned from China, everyone thought gloves were most important. As we learned more, that transmission is rare through touching surfaces, they became important mostly in the case of living with someone who had the disease and not so important for general living.

However, those who have access to the most information and the most science are the public health specialists. They are the experts, not the parents, not the teachers. So no problem with them asking questions or voicing opinions, but the opinions are equivalent to a student telling a teacher how to teach - could be right, could be wrong, but expert wins out each time.

The contact tracing system has fallen apart. It is taking days for public health officials to contact schools to confirm positive cases and how to handle them. Therefore, we as parents/teachers have a duty to ask questions of the public health officials after all they set up and run the system that is no longer working.
Experts don’t always get things right and should be accountable.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 05:50PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Tarbert Comprehensive school principal (Kerry) has sent a letter to parents telling them the DES has overridden the school's decision to close in light of numerous cases and circumstances and ordered them to reopen. The principal also tells parents directly what the DES said in regards to providing remote learning. School is to stick to guidelines only and provide support for students only medically certified at "very high risk." Support is not to be provided in any other circumstances "because of fear of infection." Principal concludes their overriding rule of thumb in their career is "what is the right thing to do" and will continue to do. Parents from school angrily commenting and said their children got on very well online and supported the principal's decision. Jaysus.

Fair play to the principal.

Just heard today from a few other parents there are "loads" of pupils not in the schools right now. Lack of trust here all around.

Fair fcuks to that principal what they did. He obviously got a roasting from the DES and one would also assume the school inspector for what the school did.

Very obviously not happy with being told to reopen.

Fr_Dougal · 20-10-2020 05:52PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Tarbert Comprehensive school principal (Kerry) has sent a letter to parents telling them the DES has overridden the school's decision to close in light of numerous cases and circumstances and ordered them to reopen. The principal also tells parents directly what the DES said in regards to providing remote learning. School is to stick to guidelines only and provide support for students only medically certified at "very high risk." Support is not to be provided in any other circumstances "because of fear of infection." Principal concludes their overriding rule of thumb in their career is "what is the right thing to do" and will continue to do. Parents from school angrily commenting and said their children got on very well online and supported the principal's decision. Jaysus.

Fair play to the principal.

Just heard today from a few other parents there are "loads" of pupils not in the schools right now. Lack of trust here all around.

Why on earth aren’t the media covering incidents like this...

Smacruairi · 20-10-2020 05:56PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Why on earth aren’t the media covering incidents like this...

Why do you think? All lining up to be Simon Harris' next consultant or Norma's PR guru.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 06:00PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Why on earth aren’t the media covering incidents like this...

Where do you think journalists go to for a better paying job? Being the PR representative or consultant to a minister is a huge promotion. If you go against the narrative then you wave goodbye to that future opportunity.

HerrKuehn · 20-10-2020 06:02PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Where do you think journalists go to for a better paying job? Being the PR representative or consultant to a minister is a huge promotion. If you go against the narrative then you wave goodbye to that future opportunity.

This is QAnon level stuff. Are you sure it isn't Biden behind it all?

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 06:04PM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

This is QAnon level stuff. Are you sure it isn't Biden behind it all?

Good man yourself. Look at how many journalists are now working within government circles. The information is out there.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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