Schools closed until February? (part 3)

blanch152 · 20-10-2020 02:15PM

LittleBrick wrote: »

If you read my post as condescension that is not what I intended.

I'm just choosing to not get worked up or engage with people who never have and never will have any respect teachers. It only brings undue stress and pressure on you and you will never win, as logic goes out the window in the face of dislike.

The only lack of respect being shown on this thread is the lack of respect from some teachers and parents for the expertise of the public health specialists who have determined that schools are safe to open.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 02:18PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You don't need testing and tracing where cases are not arising.

Someone catches the virus at home, informs the school, and the parents want everyone for 20 miles around tested. That is not the way to manage a pandemic.

More than anyone else, teachers should understand that this should be left to the public health experts. No more than teachers need to be told how to do their job, neither do the public health experts.

That is the point. There are many many examples where parents inform the school but the school doesn't hear from public health for days or perhaps not at all(as happened in our school).

Numerous schools released statements on Sunday and Monday asking parents to either keep their kids at home or taking the decision to close school building to students due to a lack of support and contact from public health. Those are very brave schools to take that decision and you can be sure they only arrive at that point after every possible avenue has been exhausted.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 02:19PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The only lack of respect being shown on this thread is the lack of respect from some teachers and parents for the expertise of the public health specialists who have determined that schools are safe to open.

Ohh so the parents who are now voicing their concerns are showing a lack of respect. I said from the very start that change would happens when it came to schools when parents made their voice heard. It's beginning to occur now.

Thats me · 20-10-2020 02:22PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Just in case people think attitudes in this thread reflect attitudes of all teachers.

Just in case not all of us pretending to be a teachers. Closing schools discussed from viewpoint of effectiveness of new lockdown but not because some teachers want it or do not want.

SusanC10 · 20-10-2020 02:22PM

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Why don't schools (who have the technology) live stream their classes and give kids the choice (if they have the technology at home) whether or not they want to physically attend the school.

Even if it reduces classroom occupation by 25% it'll help the cause.

This is what my friends kids school is doing in the US. So some kids are at school and some remote.

Icyseanfitz · 20-10-2020 02:22PM

Any update from the unions on this farce?

eagle eye · 20-10-2020 02:26PM

blanch152 wrote:

The only lack of respect being shown on this thread is the lack of respect from some teachers and parents for the expertise of the public health specialists who have determined that schools are safe to open.

How can you respect anybody in a management position in the HSE when you see the state of our health services.

It's smart to have concerns and questions when you cannot trust the people running the health services.

dundalkfc10 · 20-10-2020 02:28PM

eagle eye wrote: »

How can you respect anybody in a management position in the HSE when you see the state of our health services.

It's smart to have concerns and questions when you cannot trust the people running the health services.

Nobody is allowed question the Govt or NHEPT or HSE according to some on here (but when Govt ignore NHEPT or HSE that is fine)

mohawk · 20-10-2020 02:28PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The only lack of respect being shown on this thread is the lack of respect from some teachers and parents for the expertise of the public health specialists who have determined that schools are safe to open.

With all due respect The public health specialists have never dealt with a pandemic before so they will make errors which is understandable.
Scientists are constantly finding out more about the virus as time goes on. Personally I don’t think it’s a good idea for any group of people in a society are above being accountable for their decisions. In this case the teachers and parents should be allowed to ask questions and voice their opinions. If the public health officials are basing their decisions on science then what is their to fear from being asked questions.

Thats me · 20-10-2020 02:33PM

mohawk wrote: »

With all due respect The public health specialists have never dealt with a pandemic before so they will make errors which is understandable.

With all due respect they should be used to deal with infection: https://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1119/346238-hospital-acquired-infections/

HerrKuehn · 20-10-2020 02:35PM

mohawk wrote: »

With all due respect The public health specialists have never dealt with a pandemic before so they will make errors which is understandable.
Scientists are constantly finding out more about the virus as time goes on. Personally I don’t think it’s a good idea for any group of people in a society are above being accountable for their decisions. In this case the teachers and parents should be allowed to ask questions and voice their opinions. If the public health officials are basing their decisions on science then what is their to fear from being asked questions.

Of course asking questions is to be welcomed. Making suggestions for how testing should be carried out is different though. I think a primary school teachers suggestions in this area make about as much sense as having Tony Holohan suggesting how best to teach "bua na cainte".

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 02:42PM

Principal on Joe telling it as it actually is on the ground.

JimmyVik · 20-10-2020 02:44PM

I just want transparent information.
Then we could all make up our own minds how its going.
Surely not too much to ask for.

Jinglejangle69 · 20-10-2020 02:45PM

Swabs and positivity rate trending downwards the last few days.

Level 3 might be working.

Maybe it's not the schools.

dundalkfc10 · 20-10-2020 02:59PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1318550806292025344?s=19

Very defensive, I'm sure it was talked about

s1ippy · 20-10-2020 03:01PM

Did ye hear that Tony and the DCMO with responsibility for schools are doing a presser later?

Be nice if they gave any sort of indication what it was about instead of leaving education professionals in suspense all evening

blanch152 · 20-10-2020 03:06PM

mohawk wrote: »

With all due respect The public health specialists have never dealt with a pandemic before so they will make errors which is understandable.
Scientists are constantly finding out more about the virus as time goes on. Personally I don’t think it’s a good idea for any group of people in a society are above being accountable for their decisions. In this case the teachers and parents should be allowed to ask questions and voice their opinions. If the public health officials are basing their decisions on science then what is their to fear from being asked questions.

No question that everyone is still learning about this disease. For example, at the start, on the lessons learned from China, everyone thought gloves were most important. As we learned more, that transmission is rare through touching surfaces, they became important mostly in the case of living with someone who had the disease and not so important for general living.

However, those who have access to the most information and the most science are the public health specialists. They are the experts, not the parents, not the teachers. So no problem with them asking questions or voicing opinions, but the opinions are equivalent to a student telling a teacher how to teach - could be right, could be wrong, but expert wins out each time.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 03:11PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Did ye hear that Tony and the DCMO with responsibility for schools are doing a presser later?

Be nice if they gave any sort of indication what it was about instead of leaving education professionals in suspense all evening

At 5pm.

TTLF · 20-10-2020 03:14PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

At 5pm.

What exactly is it addressing though ?or is that not known

s1ippy · 20-10-2020 03:19PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1318553978683228160?s=20

Could be to do with this

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 03:27PM

TTLF wrote: »

What exactly is it addressing though ?or is that not known

I'm guessing school data(hopefully).

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 03:29PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1318553978683228160?s=20

Could be to do with this

The last line of the INTO statement is spicy.

eagle eye · 20-10-2020 03:48PM

ruwithme wrote:

Ah sure stay at home teacher's,if that's how ye are feeling about it.

Or go to work and risk your health.

s1ippy · 20-10-2020 03:48PM

Women's Aid had a woman on this morning who said "I think the schools need to remain open so that children have the support of their peers and women can have a break".

She then went on to say that they had cut their services for children.

I nearly spat out my coffee with the double standards.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 03:56PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Women's Aid had a woman on this morning who said "I think the schools need to remain open so that children have the support of their peers and women can have a break".

She then went on to say that they had cut their services for children.

I nearly spat out my coffee with the double standards.

I heard that as well. Shocking stuff.

irishblessing · 20-10-2020 04:41PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The last line of the INTO statement is spicy.

Yep. And also wasn't there an issue with Norma's statement in saying:
"The Department of Education and Skills has been meeting regularly with the education partners including management bodies, teachers’ unions and representatives of the school communities, to provide them with up to date information and to offer an opportunity to discuss any concerns which they may have."

And the principal union came forward and said they have never been consulted? :pac:

Hubertj · 20-10-2020 04:43PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The last line of the INTO statement is spicy.

So NPHET admit to some union official they and the tracing system failed before telling the general public?. I hope the press conference will include resignations. Pathetic communication again from “public servants”

Icyseanfitz · 20-10-2020 04:44PM

https://www.forsa.ie/close-schools-until-health-and-safety-measures-improve-forsa/

Really though it would be one of the teachers Union's to come out with this first but forsa has surprised me.

irishblessing · 20-10-2020 04:47PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I heard that as well. Shocking stuff.

Also there's double standards in the goings on about what's best for the children now by the government, yet decade after decade have underfunded and resourced our education sector and left a huge burden to parents to pay. It suits them now to recognise the importance of children's education?

Hubertj · 20-10-2020 04:49PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://www.forsa.ie/close-schools-until-health-and-safety-measures-improve-forsa/

Really though it would be one of the teachers Union's to come out with this first but forsa has surprised me.

they don’t the right to do this unless public health guidance supports it. Otherwise it’s just people refusing to go to work because they think it is unsafe. Everyone’s an expert now

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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