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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    You'd seriously question that graph.

    Vietnam and China did well relatively from Covid.

    I guess we should send someone over and copy and paste their response.


    Well Vietnam closed up their borders early and their figures are somewhat believable, or course mainland China's numbers are a fabrication, but look at where New Zealand are now as a country, i don't doubt their numbers, they've handled a very difficult situation very, very well, we seem to have learned nothing over the past 7 months sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    endainoz wrote: »
    Uh oh we've got a live one here

    Have you forgotten that even the likes of Tony Holohan and Luke O'Neill told us that masks were of very limited benefit back in the spring?!
    How quickly the grey becomes black and white for some people.
    Masks are fine if used correctly and in the correct context. However, the vast majority don't wear them correctly and in some cases the misurse is worse than no mask at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,187 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    You'd seriously question that graph.

    Vietnam and China did well relatively from Covid.

    I guess we should send someone over and copy and paste their response.

    I think if your genuine non of us want the response that is in place I’m the likes of China.

    Compulsory invasive monitoring and tracking of movements. Swift often heavy handed extraction of infected individuals. I often see people saying “how have China gone back to normal”, simple answer is it hasn’t, and the people have lost many privacy’s and freedoms that they Will likely never get back.

    The old adage, be careful what you wish for !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,585 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    I think a big part of perception is down to personality type - introverts are understandably less impacted by the enormous social restrictions wheras for sociable outgoing people its very different. We lost our brightest and best employee today who's in the later camp. Made her decision after the announcement today. She's getting out of the country while she still has some sanity remaining. Big loss to business, but I don't blame her one bit. If I was young free and single I'd be gone too.

    What countries are the most open and have gone back to normal?

    There was a tweet from England with 60 farmers in a hall which I was surprised to see compared to here. No face masks and no social distancing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    I hope all were listening to what Micheal martin said regarding schools staying open,as i believe media and unions won't stop making mischief in their quest to close the schools. Trouble.makers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,187 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    There is no need to be patronising.
    I understand full well what is happening.

    The teachers I referred to are setting a bad example - there is no getting away from that.

    Relax there.
    The teachers have explained the science to the kids. Within their safe zone they are sufficiently far away from students not to be a risk. This isn’t a bad example, this is treating the kids with respect and keeping with the science rather than optics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Well Vietnam closed up their borders early and their figures are somewhat believable, or course mainland China's numbers are a fabrication, but look at where New Zealand are now as a country, i don't doubt their numbers, they've handled a very difficult situation very, very well, we seem to have learned nothing over the past 7 months sadly.

    New Zealand might be seen as the gold standard at the minute, but their going to be in a hell of a precarious position unless a vaccine is found in the next 6-9 months, they cant keep a closed borders approach indefinitely for economic reasons and when they start letting tourists etc back in they're population is largely going to be totally niave to the virus and it will run rampant, they aren't like Ireland who can borrow money for the minute easily of the ecb, they are going to be at the mercy of less forgiving lenders


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,376 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Better examples to draw on are, South Korea and Japan especially considering how populous they are.
    You could also look at Kerela Province in India. Pop 35m, deaths from covid 1,182.
    The poorest area in India with close links supplying workers in Wuhan. They reacted early.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Are marts still open?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,376 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Listening to the Minister for Health and his outlining areas of concern and support, I can see the work of Susan Mitchell.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Teachers are already grumbling on radio (Newstalk) that they're being forced to work in a Level 5.
    Some might not turn up for work.

    There is always the Covid PUP awaiting them if they prefer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭older by the day


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Are marts still open?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#organised-indoor-gatherings
    By this, they will probably shut, but there are exceptions like building and schools. So I don't know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭solerina


    _Brian wrote: »
    Relax there.
    The teachers have explained the science to the kids. Within their safe zone they are sufficiently far away from students not to be a risk. This isn’t a bad example, this is treating the kids with respect and keeping with the science rather than optics.

    If the room is large enough to have a safe zone that is in fact far enough away from the students, None are in my school. Everyone is wearing masks, sanitising constantly and washing desks after each class and still we have had a few cases. The rooms are just too crowded.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    BENDYBINN wrote: »
    Are marts still open?

    I would imagine so yes. I'd envisage a return to 100% online bidding with seller's dropping off stock and leaving the premises immediately. There's talk of no viewing time before the sale and all stock sold subject and collected after the sale. Once there's only staff on the premises I can't see why social distancing couldn't be enacted and the marts continue trading. It worked in the last lockdown and I don't see why it can't work again particularly as we're in the peak trading period.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I would imagine so yes. I'd envisage a return to 100% online bidding with seller's dropping off stock and leaving the premises immediately. There's talk of no viewing time before the sale and all stock sold subject and collected after the sale. Once there's only staff on the premises I can't see why social distancing couldn't be enacted and the marts continue trading. It worked in the last lockdown and I don't see why it can't work again particularly as we're in the peak trading period.

    Back my way in the local mart, sellers drop off their animals and don’t leave their vehicles, buyers then look at the animals,only 21 can enter the sales ring and keep 2m apart, everybody wears a mask when on site, you would imagine even with level 5 this should be good enough, what’s the difference between a meat factory or a construction site compared or even a school to a mart,in my opinion if buying animals it takes time to look at them, hopefully they will come to some compromise on this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,187 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    solerina wrote: »
    If the room is large enough to have a safe zone that is in fact far enough away from the students, None are in my school. Everyone is wearing masks, sanitising constantly and washing desks after each class and still we have had a few cases. The rooms are just too crowded.

    Almost every school is different. Shape of rooms etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Marts will have to stay open....coming into arguably the busiest time of the year.

    It's a joke though that 30 odd people can pull and drag out of each other and sweat and spit running after a ball but only 10 people can attend a funeral.

    Finally fair play to Colm O Rourke for calling out the Teachers union for acting the taepots


  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    morphy87 wrote: »
    Back my way in the local mart, sellers drop off their animals and don’t leave their vehicles, buyers then look at the animals,only 21 can enter the sales ring and keep 2m apart, everybody wears a mask when on site, you would imagine even with level 5 this should be good enough, what’s the difference between a meat factory or a construction site compared or even a school to a mart,in my opinion if buying animals it takes time to look at them, hopefully they will come to some compromise on this

    From what I understand from our own mart, sellers drop off stock and leave mart. Buyers may inspect stock, but there is no one allowed into the ring. It'll be all online buying. That should work ok.


  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Robson99 wrote: »
    Marts will have to stay open....coming into arguably the busiest time of the year.

    It's a joke though that 30 odd people can pull and drag out of each other and sweat and spit running after a ball but only 10 people can attend a funeral.

    Finally fair play to Colm O Rourke for calling out the Teachers union for acting the taepots

    Teachers getting a hard time on here.

    Does every farmer here agree with everything all our lobby groups say :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Teachers getting a hard time on here.

    Does every farmer here agree with everything all our lobby groups say :confused:

    Teachers aren't the problem. They have a tough job in tough conditions. But the unions a different matter. Always stirring ****e


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭morphy87


    From what I understand from our own mart, sellers drop off stock and leave mart. Buyers may inspect stock, but there is no one allowed into the ring. It'll be all online buying. That should work ok.

    How long are buyers allowed to inspect the stock? I hate to be critical in these testing times but I can’t see much of a difference between a hundred on a building site or a meat factory to 20 people 2m apart in a sales ring


  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    morphy87 wrote: »
    How long are buyers allowed to inspect the stock? I hate to be critical in these testing times but I can’t see much of a difference between a hundred on a building site or a meat factory to 20 people 2m apart in a sales ring

    I'm not sure, I heard they might use an appointment system. If that's the case then you could get separation by time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I'm not sure, I heard they might use an appointment system. If that's the case then you could get separation by time.

    They might relax the guidelines some bit, the last time we were in lockdown all the construction sites,schools,crèches and Nct centers were closed but not this time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,376 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    As long as whatever they allow is ran with a tight ship, it should be ok. We'll see what they allow for livestock sales. Hopefully buyers drop off. Viewing is controlled as IMO that was a weak point in some marts. Then bidding can be online or maybe combined with limited buyers present.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Robson99 wrote: »
    Marts will have to stay open....coming into arguably the busiest time of the year.

    It's a joke though that 30 odd people can pull and drag out of each other and sweat and spit running after a ball but only 10 people can attend a funeral.

    Finally fair play to Colm O Rourke for calling out the Teachers union for acting the taepots

    Nearly as bad as farmers at a mart! I been to many a mart since this pandemic and almost every time auld lads hanging out of one another thinking they are immune. I notice in recent weeks mart staff not wearing masks. It really gauls me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 releasevalve


    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#organised-indoor-gatherings
    By this, they will probably shut, but there are exceptions like building and schools. So I don't know

    Online only


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    Have you forgotten that even the likes of Tony Holohan and Luke O'Neill told us that masks were of very limited benefit back in the spring?!
    How quickly the grey becomes black and white for some people.
    Masks are fine if used correctly and in the correct context. However, the vast majority don't wear them correctly and in some cases the misurse is worse than no mask at all.

    Scientists have learned more about the virus over time. They now agree that masks are beneficial, opinions can easily change as we understand things more.

    But you admit masks are fine so you kind of cancel out your first paragraph.

    I have no idea where you get that the vast majority don't wear them correctly? First I heard of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    Sure take more than covid to snuff some of them oul lads hanging outta one and other round the ring. Have you never seen some of the shy it they put in their mouths.be it tobacco or some poison from the canteens. Proven immunity a long time ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Going for a test later today - developed a couple of symptoms since the WE:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,049 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Going for a test later today - developed a couple of symptoms since the WE:(

    Best of luck


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