Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

1…194195197199200…319

Comments

  • #5882
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Closing 'non-essential' retail is the main difference from what we're doing now, AFAIK

    That's an absolute pack of sh1t. I'm not one for shopping much any more and I avoid physical shops and I do a lot online. It probably won't effect me but its still a pack of sh1t and will do sweet fcuk for spraad.

    My understanding is that GAA games are still allowed to go ahead. Its great there's no big piss up on the pitches, but there's a problem with people congregating afterwards and a lot of spread has occurred from games and the aftermath of games. The governments response is to close the non essential retail and still allow games to go ahead. I'm baffled.


  • #5883
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    I wish people would stop dividing people into anti or pro this and that. There plenty of space and people and views in between.


  • #5884
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    can someone please explain what the point was of wearing masks in non essential shops if we are now closing them as they are deemed to be the cause of spread?


  • #5885
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    owlbethere wrote: »
    That's an absolute pack of sh1t. I'm not one for shopping much any more and I avoid physical shops and I do a lot online. It probably won't effect me but its still a pack of sh1t and will do sweet fcuk for spraad.

    My understanding is that GAA games are still allowed to go ahead. Its great there's no big piss up on the pitches, but there's a problem with people congregating afterwards and a lot of spread has occurred from games and the aftermath of games. The governments response is to close the non essential retail and still allow games to go ahead. I'm baffled.

    Remains to be seen if the inter-county championship will actually happen, even if it's technically 'allowed'.


  • #5886
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where did you hear they are going to close non essential retail? That would be fckin insane. Shut down the thing that probably employs the most people and yet has no substantive impact on infections. And leave the fckin schools and not enforce the inside social gathering rules. Another great example of just grabbing the low hanging fruit

    Picking the low hanging fruit is the sensible thing to do. It is the most efficient, effective, and quickest way to get your fruit.


  • Advertisement
  • #5887
    seamusk84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    Wonder if a curfew will be part of he plan. Also severely restricting the sale of alcohol.

    3+ with those two additional measures would be a better balance perhaps. Leave non-essential retail alone to survive.


  • #5888
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What I don't get is the anti lockdown people who are also anti vaccine? Could somebody explain to me what the hell is going through their head to be able to be both

    What is anti lockdown? I'd be anti closure of "non essential retail", 5km from home restrictions, closure of construction etc. Even closure of schools which seems to be popular on this thread.

    I am also in no way anti-vaccine. If you are talking about 100 people marching in Dublin City every other week, well those people are clearly morons. But 100 out of 5 million people is not a very representative view is it?


  • #5889
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Ah yes, sorry I forgot withdrawals from alcohol is a threat to life.
    I hear the ICU departments are full of sober alcoholics these days...


    There does seem to be a lot of functioning alcoholics about these days , noticeable by some of the replies already.

    Withdrawal from alcohol is life threatening. I would expect the serious cases to be hospitalised and the not so acute cases to be sent on their way with a Librium prescription.


  • #5890
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    manniot2 wrote: »
    can someone please explain what the point was of wearing masks in non essential shops if we are now closing them as they are deemed to be the cause of spread?

    I can. Firstly, there is flaw in your question in the assumption that non essential shops are deemed to be the cause of the spread. They are not. They are only one of many factors contributing to the spread. Being non essential, closing them is considered an lower than other options tool to reduce the spread.
    Masks also reduced the spread, and so wearing them was beneficial. But not as effective as closing them completely, which fully removes the interraction of people in that particular setting. And thus contributes to the overall interraction reduction that is now needed.


  • #5891
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Has anyone been following northern Ireland enough to tell if it has flattened out at around 1k cases a day or if the capacity for testing has been hit and the testing criteria means that their positivity rate won't go up further.


  • Advertisement
  • #5892
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,148 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They could still do with someone to point out potential political fallout and HOW they communicate information. They've advised Level 5 twice and the government are still not having it. That kind of advice becomes useless after a while.

    Not their job to make it stick , or to put a spin on it .
    Their advice is out there for all to see .
    When this finally ends and those who have lost people to this virus as a result of government inaction think about taking a class action against members of or the whole of the cabinet ( it just might happen ) let's see how useless that advice really is ..for the victims families .


  • #5893
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Messi19


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What I don't get is the anti lockdown people who are also anti vaccine? Could somebody explain to me what the hell is going through their head to be able to be both

    They're normally anti anything. Will likely be vegan, love conspiracy theories and keen to try and brainwash anyone stupid enough to give them the time of day


  • #5894
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,664 ✭✭✭Infini


    It'll be intersting to see what they do tomorrow, wonder if they'll modify some elements of Level 4 to take account of low risk categories and make it more distinct from level 5 which would be the nuclear option. I honestly think they might be able to keep certain things open if the evidence is there to suggest no significant rise from them but there's definately a need for more restrictions as these cases are too damn high right now.
    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Has anyone been following northern Ireland enough to tell if it has flattened out at around 1k cases a day or if the capacity for testing has been hit and the testing criteria means that their positivity rate won't go up further.

    They only went into lockdown on Saturday we likely wont see much of a change for at least a week sadly.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    What I don't get is the anti lockdown people who are also anti vaccine? Could somebody explain to me what the hell is going through their head to be able to be both

    You might not agree with it but they're what peak stupidity looks like. Braindead, full retard, pig ignorance that calls anyone who doesnt agree with them a "pedo". Honestly would easily qualify as escapees from Dundrum Mental Asylum tbh.


  • #5895
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Not their job to make it stick , or to put a spin on it .
    Their advice is out there for all to see .
    When this finally ends and those who have lost people to this virus as a result of government inaction think about taking a class action against members of or the whole of the cabinet ( it just might happen ) let's see how useless that advice really is ..for the victims families .
    It is also their job to communicate effectively and they have not been doing that of late too well. Witness the all grand at Level 2 to shut down the country two days later. They don't operate in a vacuum but seem to think they do sometimes. Good luck with the lawsuit, it's impossible to sue a virus.


  • #5896
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    It really annoys me when i hear this. Its like kiwis never travel or dont have airports or fly. No ship freight?

    In this day and age NO.country is isolated. They just control their airports and ports.

    We can too.


    I'm going to have to call up on this one SeaBreezes.

    Kiwis cant fly, they are a flightless bird!


  • #5897
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What I don't get is the anti lockdown people who are also anti vaccine? Could somebody explain to me what the hell is going through their head to be able to be both

    I am certainly anti lockdown.

    I am certainly not anti vaccine, I’ll be the 1st to take it, if only to be allowed return to social normality.

    The reason I’m questioning the vaccine is because of the protocols that surround them and what many people think the vaccine will achieve regarding sickness and death.

    “We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.”

    It’s likely the vaccine most likely to approved in the shortest timeframe will neither prevent serious symptoms or provide immunity.

    The restrictions have suppressed the social interactions of society under the pretence they will prevent sickness and death until a vaccine is approved. Now from the information I gather, a vaccine will be unlikely to prevent sickness or death, especially so in the vulnerable, who are most likely to get sick and die.

    I’m wondering at what point do we start to begin living with covid as much as safely possible, like those unethical folk in Sweden have done.


  • #5898
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,148 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is also their job to communicate effectively and they have not been doing that of late too well. Good luck with the lawsuit as it's impossible to sue a virus.

    They have communicated effectively ..and in writing .
    Never said about suing the virus , although one would be forgiven for thinking in such derogatory terms about this government .
    The virus is completely single minded and effective and is doing the job it exists for ...


  • #5899
    AlphaDelta1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    political analyst wrote: »
    Restrictions of at least Level 4 are imminent.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/simon-harris-signals-imminent-move-to-at-least-level-4-covid-19-restrictions-nationwide-1.4384095

    Not before time neither.


  • #5900
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I am certainly anti lockdown.

    I am certainly not anti vaccine, I’ll be the 1st to take it, if only to be allowed return to social normality.

    The reason I’m questioning the vaccine is because of the protocols that surround them and what many people think the vaccine will achieve regarding sickness and death.

    “We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.”

    It’s likely the vaccine most likely to approved in the shortest timeframe will neither prevent serious symptoms or provide immunity.

    The restrictions have suppressed the social interactions of society under the pretence they will prevent sickness and death until a vaccine is approved. Now from the information I gather, a vaccine will be unlikely to prevent sickness or death, especially so in the vulnerable, who are most likely to get sick and die.

    I’m wondering at what point do we start to begin living with covid as much as safely possible, like those unethical folk in Sweden have done.

    absolute nonsense.


  • #5901
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    speckle wrote: »
    I wish people would stop dividing people into anti or pro this and that. There plenty of space and people and views in between.

    It’s Catholic Church bigotry tactics not seen since the 1950s.

    Hypocrites trying to silence discussion about the blind religion they didn’t reason themselves into and can’t really defend it without emotional outbursts


  • Advertisement
  • #5902
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    speckle wrote: »
    I wish people would stop dividing people into anti or pro this and that. There plenty of space and people and views in between.

    Don’t be silly

    You either want to destroy all business

    Or

    you want people to die


    Middle ground!l? Pfft doesnt exist on this thread


  • #5903
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Virus is rife for weeks.

    Government will act tomorrow.

    Utter political bullsh!t. Playing with lives, livelihoods and people's mental wellbeing.


  • #5904
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    If people could be trusted to conduct themselves in a responsible manner then level three could have worked. We'd to attend a pharmacy yesterday to get an emergency inhaler for my fiancé. The only one open near us was in a shopping centre. It was honestly a fúcking free for all. Nobody respecting social distancing, pushing past each other leaving only inches of space, grabbing at stuff like it was the end of days.

    It's so sad because the economic fallout of another lockdown will affect so many people, livelihoods etc. All because a certain cohort lack in basic common sense and decency.


  • #5905
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    froog wrote: »
    absolute nonsense.

    They make a very good point. It's being called a vaccine but won't give immunity. I cannot get my head around that. We are still going to catch this virus.


  • #5906
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    They have communicated effectively ..and in writing .
    Never said about suing the virus , although one would be forgiven for thinking in such derogatory terms about this government .
    The virus is completely single minded and effective and is doing the job it exists for ...
    Well, any organisation worth their salt would wonder how the hell they got from everything normal to DefCon 1 in two days. That more than suggests that someone screwed up. Not even hinting to their boss, the MoH, that DefCon1 was on the table for discussion is a communications faux pas and it is naive beyond belief to imagine that such a bombshell would not find its way instantly into the public domain.


  • #5907
    Dressoutlet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    They make a very good point. It's being called a vaccine but won't give immunity. I cannot get my head around that. We are still going to catch this virus.

    But you will not get sick from the virus.
    Flu vaccine
    Chicken pox vaccine are the same


  • #5908
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Antares35 wrote: »
    If people could be trusted to conduct themselves in a responsible manner then level three could have worked. Wed to attend a pharmacy yesterday to get an emergency inhaler for my fiancé. The only one open near us was in a shopping centre. It was honestly a fúcking free for all. Nobody respecting social distancing, pushing past each other leaving only inches of space, grabbing at stuff like it was the end of days.

    It's so sad because the economic fallout of another lockdown will affect so many people, livelihoods etc. All because a certain cohort lack in basic common sense and decency.
    Tired people do silly things sometimes. That's life.


  • #5909
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It’s likely the vaccine most likely to approved in the shortest timeframe will neither prevent serious symptoms or provide immunity.

    According to who?


  • #5910
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Tired people do silly things sometimes. That's life.

    So do stupid, selfish ones.


  • Advertisement
  • #5911
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Messi19 wrote: »
    They're normally anti anything. Will likely be vegan, love conspiracy theories and keen to try and brainwash anyone stupid enough to give them the time of day

    Not many of the anti lockdown people looked like vegans to me! More like meat and 2 veg types


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement