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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #5822
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Messi19


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Just bring the kids with them? "sit in the back of the ambulance there and watch paw patrol on your tablet and don't touch anything“

    What happened in March? What you're saying here is a childcare issue


  • #5823
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Why not ban the sale of alcohol for a month.
    We would see some changes then.


  • #5824
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Unrelated, but link to where he said that? Interesting if true. Higher education in this country is very commercial.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/apprenticeships-2-5195884-Sep2020/
    He's doing a monthly update on not attending higher education, having become minister for Higher education without having completed Higher education.

    Most recent -
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/snobby-obsession-with-university-for-school-leavers-must-end-says-harris-1.4375976?mode=amp

    Maybe if he had third level training, he would be capable of some of the higher order thinking skills required to effectively do his job.


  • #5825
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Messi19 wrote: »
    What happened in March? What you're saying here is a childcare issue

    Grandparents and friends helped out.

    Thinking it was this one time and we're all in this together.

    Very different now.


  • #5826
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    nacho libre wrote: »
    So I presume the government will go to level 4 plus, but stop short of going to level 5. As if there is much real difference.

    Feck all


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  • #5827
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,655 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Also it will be interesting to see if in a couple of weeks we can finally put to rest the debate about schools being a significant source of transmission. I've no doubt if it turns out that they are Micheal and Leo will acknowledge it.


  • #5828
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,917 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    With the gyms closing once we move up a level, the real issue is that we don't have a great weather unlike the first lockdown where we all sunbathed and had a BBQ everyday after our workout in the park. We are in for a depressing few months.

    I’d say gym gear / equipment is flying out of warehouses... in fact I know it is, I was looking at getting a pretty expensive piece of kit from sports direct... they had about six different ones, last week. Looking yesterday, sold out... kicking myself I waited.


  • #5829
    Tzardine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    I am a public sector worker, so I really appreciate that I am very lucky to be in a secure job. But I really wish we did not have to do another lockdown, although I agree that it is necessary.

    But the thought of another 6 weeks at home is hard. I live in a very rural location, and even my nearest shop is over 5k away. Its a lot on the mental health - I imagine that some people are really struggling with the idea of lockdown 2.0.

    Only positive for me is that I am finishing some studies, so have a dissertation to do, so the extra time at home is good for that.


  • #5830
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Why not ban the sale of alcohol for a month.
    We would see some changes then.

    Yes, it would definitely reduce the widespread clusters in schools.


  • #5831
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Why not ban the sale of alcohol for a month.
    We would see some changes then.

    That would probably lead to other problems. People going up north, blackmarket, experimenting with drugs etc...


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  • #5832
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Very disappointing to hear they are going to introduce unnecessary closures to retail just to keep the lockdown hawks happy.

    They need to hold tight, the current measures of level 3 ++ will work if given time.

    No doubt they will close the rest and celebrate success at level 5 when cases peak and begin to decline in 7 days when this is a result of the current measures not the nonsensical full lockdown..

    My hope is that some sense will prevail like 6pm closing hours or something rather than complete shutdown.


  • #5833
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Why not ban the sale of alcohol for a month.
    We would see some changes then.

    Yeah, the homeless freezing to death and hospitals being clogged with alcos dt'ing or poisoning themselves on bathtub hooch.....


  • #5834
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114968476&postcount=5537

    Is this what you mean by "living with the virus"?

    Keep hearing from significant numbers that the schools are the problem, but maybe we're looking at this from the wrong direction.

    The recent surge has been helped more than a little by the crass stupidity of GAA "supporters" celebrating their team's win by all drinking out of the cup, which resulted in pretty much all of them taking more than happy memories home to their families. Their families then also developed Covid, parents and possibly also the children, so there is a strong chance that the kids didn't bring it home from school, they took it into school from home.

    Level 3 never had a chance while people from Dublin could drive to Ashbourne (and other places) because the pubs were still open. They did, and a significant number of staff in multiple pubs have contracted and spread Covid as a result of the infection spreading IN THE PUBS. That's the underlying factor in the recent massive surge in Meath.

    Track and trace has been a waste of time, because it doesn't go back far enough to work out where Covid was contracted.

    Closing retail is only going to further emphasise the divide between the private sector and the public sector, there has been negligable impact from the beginning on the public sector, unless overtime payments have been affected, and some will be significantly better off because they are not having to meet the significant costs of commuting. That is very much not the case for the private sector, and it won't get any better as time goes on.

    House parties, as discussed in the last few pages, students that can't or won't act like the adults they are supposed to be, and a complete absence of will from all levels to actually enforce anything related to covid and acceptable social behaviour.

    Hell, the Gardai don't ticket blatant parking repeat offenders 25 metres from their local station here, why should they start alienating local residents by actually expecting them to act in a civilised manner!

    And yes, the underlying elephant in the room is that no one has been prepared to take on the vested interests in the HSE and health service and bring about the fundamental restructuring and reorganising that is the only solution to getting real value for money from the sums that are poured into the service.That's not down to the people at the sharp end, the problems are a lot higher up the structure than that.

    Some real leadership from the politicians would be a help too, the lack lustre performances from pretty much all of them has not helped.


    But improving care for patients would make healthcare professionals' jobs less stressful. So why would those professionals stand in the way of such improvements?

    Gerard Howlin wrote this article in 2017.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-20442305.html
    The truth, which neither hospital consultants nor politicians will face up to, is that private medicine has no place in public hospitals. Were that to be applied, there would instantly be a cash crisis and a rush of white coats towards the gate. But, that would only be the beginning of it. The real backlash would come from the electorate. Nearly half the population have private health insurance. Among those who vote, they are much better represented. There would be political meltdown, as middle Ireland marched over the bodies of the afflicted, to reassert its right to subsidised privilege. You should never mistake public outrage with the status quo with the will to change it.

    On a personal level, I can't imagine ordinary middle-class workers objecting to the improvement of basic healthcare for ordinary people who can't afford private health insurance.

    Wouldn't private insurance have a role to play in Sláintecare, which is supported by all of the main parties in the Dáil? Wouldn't it be similar to the healthcare system in the Netherlands?


  • #5835
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Messi19


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Grandparents and friends helped out.

    Thinking it was this one time and we're all in this together.

    Very different now.

    They did and they will again if they have to. We also know more about the virus and how it spreads but continue to ignore what's right in front of us


  • #5836
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Very disappointing to hear they are going to introduce unnecessary closures to retail just to keep the lockdown hawks happy.

    They need to hold tight, the current measures of level 3 ++ will work if given time.

    No doubt they will close the rest and celebrate success at level 5 when cases peak and begin to decline in 7 days when this is a result of the current measures not the nonsensical full lockdown..

    My hope is that some sense will prevail like 6pm closing hours or something rather than complete shutdown.

    Indeed they should "hold firm"


  • #5837
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    greenfield21 wrote: »
    Yo don't reopen the border or the airports until a vaccine is found. Like NZ ...

    It never work, NZ is thousands miles from anywhere, and they are coming into their summer. I think at this stage as everyone keeps saying ireland needs to learn to live with the virus instead. The lessons start soon...and probably go on to April.


  • #5838
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    Why not ban the sale of alcohol for a month.
    We would see some changes then.

    And fill the hospitals with dying alcoholics instead?


  • #5839
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    nacho libre wrote: »
    So I presume the government will go to level 4 plus, but stop short of going to level 5. As if there is much real difference.

    There is a big difference, if you are trying to protect your political credentials, having ridiculed those that recommended it to you, a short while ago, when we are now at the position (actually beyond) they said we would be at, if you didn't act immediately.

    Whatever happens, the public memory is too fresh to actually announce level 5 yet. So expect a new interim solution to be cobbled together between now and tomorrow. I'd say the government phones will be burning into the night, trying to gauge public reaction and hoping that the leaks have been fixed before they get to the podium for the six one news tomorrow.


  • #5840
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    The problem is the movement of people and people interacting with each other.
    That needs to reduce.
    It won't if everything stays open - retail, construction, gyms, schools, pubs, churches, offices, restaurants, hotels, factories etc
    So a decision needs to be made as to which of these are closed. In order that the Hospitals are not overwhelmed.


  • #5841
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,917 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Very disappointing to hear they are going to introduce unnecessary closures to retail just to keep the lockdown hawks happy.

    They need to hold tight, the current measures of level 3 ++ will work if given time.

    No doubt they will close the rest and celebrate success at level 5 when cases peak and begin to decline in 7 days when this is a result of the current measures not the nonsensical full lockdown..

    My hope is that some sense will prevail like 6pm closing hours or something rather than complete shutdown.

    What’s your logic for 6pm shutdown? I 5hink that would be counterproductive. It means that people doing necessary things like supermarket shopping, any shopping have to do it in a smaller window, meaning more people in close quarters, supermarkets more packed... be majorly counter productive.

    The government should have listened to Tony Holohan. Two weeks ago he said we needed to return to level 5. He was ignored by dumb and dumber.... A decision that HAS killed multiple people.


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  • #5842
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Very disappointing to hear they are going to introduce unnecessary closures to retail just to keep the lockdown hawks happy.

    They need to hold tight, the current measures of level 3 ++ will work if given time.

    No doubt they will close the rest and celebrate success at level 5 when cases peak and begin to decline in 7 days when this is a result of the current measures not the nonsensical full lockdown..

    My hope is that some sense will prevail like 6pm closing hours or something rather than complete shutdown.

    Where did you hear they are going to close non essential retail? That would be fckin insane. Shut down the thing that probably employs the most people and yet has no substantive impact on infections. And leave the fckin schools and not enforce the inside social gathering rules. Another great example of just grabbing the low hanging fruit


  • #5843
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    It never work, NZ is thousands miles from anywhere, and they are coming into their summer. I think at this stage as everyone keeps saying ireland needs to learn to live with the virus instead. The lessons start soon...and probably go on to April.

    It really annoys me when i hear this. Its like kiwis never travel or dont have airports or fly. No ship freight?

    In this day and age NO.country is isolated. They just control their airports and ports.

    We can too.


  • #5844
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Messi19


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    It really annoys me when i hear this. Its like kiwis never travel or dont have airports or fly. No ship freight?

    In this day and age NO.country is isolated. They just control their airports and ports.

    We can too.

    Just the small issue with the NI border


  • #5845
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Distribution of laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 18 October @ 08:00 CET

    novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-10-18.png?itok=PBReMl9L

    We are not the only ones who have got it wrong with our half baked and ill conceived "lining with covid-19" strategy.

    Europe has recently had a reported daily case rate of over 120,000, which is 3 times the peak rate of the first wave in March/April.

    Time for a serious rethink and simply follow the best practice of countries who have succeeded in containing the virus.

    Meanwhile in New Zealand... Auckland's Eden Park packed with a near-full house of 46,049 watch the All Blacks win again... after Covid-19 restrictions were lifted earlier this month.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaHge05ZqnE


  • #5846
    oceanman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭oceanman


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Very disappointing to hear they are going to introduce unnecessary closures to retail just to keep the lockdown hawks happy.

    They need to hold tight, the current measures of level 3 ++ will work if given time.

    No doubt they will close the rest and celebrate success at level 5 when cases peak and begin to decline in 7 days when this is a result of the current measures not the nonsensical full lockdown..

    My hope is that some sense will prevail like 6pm closing hours or something rather than complete shutdown.

    not going to happen...


  • #5847
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    You know, I was just thinking there (and that's dangerous), back in March/April etc. we actually had Level 5 ++. AFAIR everything was closed apart from supermarkets, off licenses and pharmacies. Schools closed, diy closed, the lot.

    It seems so long ago that I can't really remember but the streets were very quiet and traffic was minimal. It worked though, until two sets of restrictions were merged and lifted at the same time. It has all gone South since, and coupled with the reopening of schools, well that's where it all began to grow again IMO.

    Just reminiscing in case we have to go back there again.


  • #5848
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eagle eye wrote: »

    They need to close the schools as part of this. We need to eliminate all potential avenues of transmission that we can.

    This. We know that children transmit illnesses to one another at school.
    Ask any parent how many times their child has become ill, whether with flu, tummy bugs, or whatever, when they go back to school in September.

    I know of a school where a child tested positive for Coronavirus, and the HSE advised that they had no close contacts, so, no action was necessary.
    That school now has 5 cases, - and counting.

    If children in the same class as someone with coronavirus are not tested - how would there be any evidence of transmission in schools?

    Meanwhile, we are repeatedly told about how people are not observing the guidelines - and some aren't - while ignoring the elephants of encouraging people to take "staycations" (stupid phrase), failing to prepare for wave 2, whether by ramping up test and trace capability, and hospital beds, failing to give the option of tests at ports and airports, - I could go on, but, you get the picture...

    Meanwhile, it's all the peoples fault- because if we're all busy pointing fingers at one another we're less likely to do a bit of critical thinking about failures in the system....


  • #5849
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Goldrickssan wrote: »
    And fill the hospitals with dying alcoholics instead?

    Ah yes, sorry I forgot withdrawals from alcohol is a threat to life.
    I hear the ICU departments are full of sober alcoholics these days...


    There does seem to be a lot of functioning alcoholics about these days , noticeable by some of the replies already.


  • #5850
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    I don't know what the latest update is regarding the levels. Reading the past few posts it reads as if we will be moved up a level. That's very disappointing to hear. There isn't a problem with spread in retail. The problem virus spread area is within homes and gatherings and people not following the guidelines properly. Moving up a level and shutting retail isn't going to target the problem area where spread is occurring. Its very disappointing.


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  • #5851
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    What's the point of the "look how great New Zealand are doing, they have crowds at stadiums yay" type posts?

    I don't give a **** about New Zealand and that's not happening here so I have no interest in seeing that.


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