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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #2252
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    There will be a priority list which I expect I will be well down that list.
    Still expect to get it long before anyone here comes up with a credible alternative.

    Which is when?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #2253
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Oh sounds great, however you say "Most of us are relatively young and healthy"... does that mean we don't need the vaccine as soon as it rolls out, if so why, I don't want to wait and be in danger?


    Tough luck so. Any vaccination programme will sensibly prioritise the most vulnerable and work down the line from there.


  • #2254
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    walus wrote: »
    Which is when?


    Like boiling an egg. When it`s ready.

    When will there be a credible alternative to a vaccine ?


  • #2255
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,457 ✭✭✭✭km79


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Healthcare workers first, then people most at risk, then the rest of us. The actual rollout will be more detailed than that but that’s basically how it will work. Most of us are relatively young and healthy so I’d say late next year for us hopefully.

    The government keep telling us their priority is keeping schools open so I can only assume school staff and students will be top of the list after healthcare workers


  • #2256
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,399 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Tough luck so. Any vaccination programme will sensibly prioritise the most vulnerable and work down the line from there.

    Aren't we all Vulnerable to this deadly Virus?
    Anyone who catches it can die! But in your view that's tough luck, wait around and hope for the best eh?


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  • #2257
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    MadYaker wrote: »
    What are you talking about? There are multiple vaccines currently in late stage trials. It’s not a case of believing. It’s a certainty that we will have one, might have a few different ones. You’re literally denying reality here.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/pfizer-to-seek-fda-approval-for-covid-19-vaccine-in-november-1.4382844?mode=amp

    None of the vaccines in late stage trials offer immunity from virus. Not one of them.
    Therefore it is safe to conclude that even with massive roll out of vaccines we still will have plenty of new cases daily. Some of them would end up in ICU and ventilators and some of them die. No change from current situation.

    What reality is he denying exactly?


  • #2258
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Like boiling an egg. When it`s ready.

    When will there be a credible alternative to a vaccine ?

    When do you expect to be getting it? It is a simple question. Is it really that hard to answer?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #2259
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    charlie14 wrote: »
    There will be a priority list which I expect I will be well down that list.
    Still expect to get it long before anyone here comes up with a credible alternative.

    I see that you cant wait so you can have mine.
    I will be fairly on top of a list and most certainly offered one even though I cant take any anyway.


  • #2260
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,399 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    walus wrote: »
    When do you expect to be getting it? It is a simple question. Is it really that hard to answer?

    Ah now, the OP is an authority on these matters, didn't you hear, when the egg is boiled... seems sciumtificall to me...


  • #2261
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Aren't we all Vulnerable to this deadly Virus?
    Anyone who catches it can die! But in your view that's tough luck, wait around and hope for the best eh?


    Now you are sitting around waiting without any hope.
    That is unless you have a credible alternative you have been keeping quiet about.


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  • #2262
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Ah now, the OP is an authority on these matters, didn't you hear, when the egg is boiled... seems sciumtificall to me...

    It is the new era we live in. Church of covid damnation the only thing which can save us is a prayer to holy pfizer, astra or oxford. With benevolent allmighty Bill saving us all.

    Even those in the know already admitted that current vaccines are not going to do much merely offering a chance of reduced impact when infected. They started to peddle second-generation vaccines which unfortunately are a few years in the future. This info still did not filter down to layman disciples on boards who still stick to the old talking points like "only vaccine save us" or "it is only till we get vaccine".


  • #2263
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    I see that you cant wait so you can have mine.
    I will be fairly on top of a list and most certainly offered one even though I cant take any anyway.


    I have no problem waiting until it is my turn. I doubt by not wanting a vaccine you get to nominate someone else.


  • #2264
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,399 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Now you are sitting around waiting without any hope.
    That is unless you have a credible alternative you have been keeping quiet about.

    You said there's a priority list for the vaccine, and were asked when that would be your reply was "when the egg is boiled"... so as you don't really have a bulls notion about these things then stop with the guesswork and start popping in links which back up your "opinions"....


  • #2265
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Ah now, the OP is an authority on these matters, didn't you hear, when the egg is boiled... seems sciumtificall to me...


    I do not know who the OP you are referring too is, but you do not need to be an authority to follow the progress of vaccines. Excellent thread on boards here on it.
    Why not po over and make your feelings known. Some very well informed poster there on the subject.


  • #2266
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,399 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I do not know who the OP you are referring too is, but you do not need to be an authority to follow the progress of vaccines. Excellent thread on boards here on it.
    Why not po over and make your feelings known. Some very well informed poster there on the subject.

    You're not one of them so just a patronizing Peerick...


  • #2267
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I do not know who the OP you are referring too is, but you do not need to be an authority to follow the progress of vaccines. Excellent thread on boards here on it.
    Why not po over and make your feelings known. Some very well informed poster there on the subject.

    Yeah. One of the well informed posters proclaimed that Bill Gates is medical expert since he is investing in vaccines development for more than 10 years.

    One of the topics they do not like to discuss there is the most problematic one.
    No vaccine which is being in trials currently offer any immunity to covid. All of them are designed merely offer chance of lessening complications from infection.
    You can take any single one of them and still you will get infected when exposed.


  • #2268
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    You said there's a priority list for the vaccine, and were asked when that was and your reply was "when the egg is boiled"... so as you don't really have a bulls notion about these things then stop with the guesswork and start popping in links which back up your "opinions"....


    If you are genuinely interested that than act the mick pop over to that thread I mentioned. Lots of very good good information there and posters who are very knowledgeable on vaccines, there stages of development etc.etc.
    No sign of your credible alternative I see. Any hope of it anytime soon or are you saving it to announce to the world on a special occasion ?


  • #2269
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,959 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I would expect at least one vaccine being sanctioned before that. Possibly even before the end of 2020.
    Why do want me to speculate on what would happen if we do not have a vaccine befor the end off 2021.
    I have said I see no other viable option of combating this virus other than a vaccine.
    You appear not to believe so, so what is your solution ?

    Its a very straightforward question, you don't have to answer it if you don't want to, but it is telling that you don't. It is also a very important question and I certainly hope those in power are discussing it and making contingencies. Do you really think that a vaccine is the be all and end all and that mankind is doomed without it? I doubt you do, but if you would rather deflect the question then fair enough.

    As to the current trials, it shouldn't need to be said that trials are not a proven vaccine and most certainly not when they are trials for something that has never actually been done before. You see 3rd stage trials and I see red flags, undue influence and accidents waiting to happen.

    As for solutions, I have stated mine already in this thread, I believe we would be better served accepting certain realities and then acting accordingly. I think we need to learn to live with the virus, and I don't mean the current farce of "living" with the virus, I mean a society that fully positions itself to coexist with the virus.

    As an example, we know very well who is at risk from this virus. I would stop wasting billions of euros on ineffective restrictions and I would direct those billions of euros directly at those at risk groups. Imagine those billions going into nursing homes and really giving the elderly a safe quality of life? Is that not more productive than trying to close a border with 300 crossing points? I know I would have no problem paying extra taxes or levies to pursue options like that, just as I know that I won't be paying **** all if my business closes down.

    As I said before, the big irony is that we will reach that point anyway. You may not wish to discuss it but unless the worlds first ever vaccine for a coronavirus wins the record for the worlds fastest ever developed vaccine, then learn to live with this virus is what we will all be doing, like it or not.


  • #2270
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,399 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    charlie14 wrote: »
    If you are genuinely interested that than act the mick pop over to that thread I mentioned. Lots of very good good information there and posters who are very knowledgeable on vaccines, there stages of development etc.etc.
    No sign of your credible alternative I see. Any hope of it anytime soon or are you saving it to announce to the world on a special occasion ?

    Avoiding the questions people ask when you state your opinions as if they are fact... and you're response is always "Uh well unless you have a better idea..."..


  • #2271
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Yeah. One of the well informed posters proclaimed that Bill Gates is medical expert since he is investing in vaccines development for more than 10 years.

    One of the topics they do not like to discuss there is the most problematic one.
    No vaccine which is being in trials currently offer any immunity to covid. All of them are designed merely offer chance of lessening complications from infection.
    You can take any single one of them and still you will get infected when exposed.


    Not offering any immunity,
    If you cannot see how ridiculous that statement is then not much I or anyone can say to you.
    Do you know what safety and especially efficacy reviews are by the likes of the FDA and the EMA actually are ?


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  • #2272
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    hmmm wrote: »
    I've noticed that - in the city centre more and more people (particularly younger people) are wearing masks.

    Unpopular opinion around here, but great to see. I don't wear one outside myself, but if the younger people want to lead a social change I'd be happy to do so in solidarity. This crisis has really shown a light on the people who are willing to make sacrifices in the interest of society, and those who are utterly self absorbed and selfish.

    So if 1 person asks 99 people to give up their social lives, mental health, job, livelihood, all human interaction outside of their household, and to be subjected to (even more) debt slavery for another generation (at least).. indefinitely, possibly for years and years, its the 99 that are selfish? And they're not allowed even question the wisdom of this route?

    Got it.


  • #2273
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Avoiding the questions people ask when you state your opinions as if they are fact... and you're response is always "Uh well unless you have a better idea..."..


    I have stated my opinion clearly and often. Far as I am concerned there is no credible alternative other than a vaccine.
    You on the other hand have no credible alternative.

    Or if you have you are determined to keep it to yourself for some strange reason.

    Patent application perhaps ?


  • #2274
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Not offering any immunity,
    If you cannot see how ridiculous that statement is then not much I or anyone can say to you.
    Do you know what safety and especially efficacy reviews are by the likes of the FDA and the EMA actually are ?

    Be a gent. Name one vaccine in trials which will guarantee you will not get infected with covid.
    Pretty please. Just one.


  • #2275
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,399 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I have stated my opinion clearly and often. Far as I am concerned there is no credible alternative other than a vaccine.
    You on the other hand have no credible alternative.

    Or if you have you are determined to keep it to yourself for some strange reason.

    Patent application perhaps ?

    There ya go with the usual BS response..

    The Vaccine isn't the ultimate panacea as you seem to think...

    Go boil an egg.


  • #2276
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    charlie14 wrote: »
    ...Excellent thread on boards here on it.
    Why not po over and make your feelings known. Some very well informed poster there on the subject.

    You failed to realize that some of what you call well-informed posters do not have any medical background and their only ability is to google stuff which they then copy paste.
    I get it. You people are frightened and to alleviate your own fears you try to project them on others. It does not always work.

    Vaccine is your straw at this moment. Vaccine has a magical ring to it. Most certainly with reference to covid. People for some strange reason started to believe that we will be getting some scientific miracle where one or two doses will make us immune to this "deadly indiscriminate killer".

    "A drowning man will clutch at a straw."
    Prov. When you are desperate, you will look for anything that might help you, even if it cannot help you very much.


  • #2277
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Reports in the morning papers, government to reject NPHET advice


  • #2278
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,567 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Reports in the morning papers, government to reject NPHET advice

    Ridiculous at this stage. I agree with it. But literally just following the popular opinion at this stage and kite flying. Zero leadership, no spine, nothing...


  • #2279
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Got a warning for saying I was getting takeout pints and going to a friends house tonight as it’s “against regulations” as per a mod. I presume the motoring thread will be full of bans tomorrow for anyone admitting driving above the speed limit and anyone who admits drinking more than 3 Pints ever will get a warning about “guidelines”.


  • #2280
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Cases and a pandemic aren’t the same thing. Basic stuff

    Erm...they are though.

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  • #2281
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Reports in the morning papers, government to reject NPHET advice

    My opinion is as it was the last time NPHET recommended level 5 the government are stupidly waiting for the midterm (which will be extended) before declaring level 5 so that the schools are off also for at least the first 2 weeks of level 5.

    It’s beyond stupid though. They should be closing schools from Monday and going into level 5 from midnight Sunday night at the latest. All we are doing by waiting is prolonging everything, the sooner we properly lock down the sooner we come out of it.

    The other possibility is they are trying to get legalisation through on making the restrictions laws before declaring level 5 and being able to fine those who break the restrictions. This is a vital step too as can be seen in this thread there are a lot of ignorant people who are not only breaking the current guidelines but they are proud of the fact. A nice big fine would wipe the smirk off their faces.


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