Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

normanoffside · 16-10-2020 11:51AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indo says NPHET are recommending level 5 nationally for 6 weeks!!

Who the hell is leaking this?

questionmark? · 16-10-2020 11:56AM

De Danann wrote: »

Is there going to be any sort of announcements this evening, does anyone know?

I'm nervous they will move us up a level and I'll lose going to the gym... It was the only thing keeping me sane in this seemingly endless Work-Eat-Sleep-Repeat cycle.

Same. It's about the only thing stopping insanity at this stage.

JoeA3 · 16-10-2020 11:57AM

Isn't this exactly what they did 2 weeks ago - leaked their "recommendation" to the media only for Leo to publicly admonish them the following night and tell us "that won't happen again"?

Incredible.

thebaz · 16-10-2020 12:00PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

However this nonsense of the press getting wind and plastering it over the web/apps before the Government meets to discuss it has to end. It only causes more fear and hysteria and furthers the narrative that the tail is wagging the dog.

Shame on the Indo and whoever is leaking this - most of the country are already in a constant state of serious anxiety and the Indo peddling more anxiety is appaling - Put the country in level 4 if needs be , but this fear driven propaganda by a supposed pillar of Irish media is scandalous just to sell a few more of its rubbish paper or to get a few more hits, by an already over-worried public.

average_runner · 16-10-2020 12:02PM

thebaz wrote: »

Shame on the Indo and whoever is leaking this - most of the country are already in a constant state of serious anxiety and the Indo peddling more anxiety is appaling - Put the country in level 4 if needs be , but this fear driven propaganda by a supposed pillar of Irish media is scandalous just to sell a few more of its rubbish paper or to get a few more hits, by an already over-worried public.

Its only a matter of time before level 5 happens. Leaking it is not the right way to do.

Indo is a trash paper that offers nothing

Idbatterim · 16-10-2020 12:09PM

thebaz wrote: »

Shame on the Indo and whoever is leaking this - most of the country are already in a constant state of serious anxiety and the Indo peddling more anxiety is appaling - Put the country in level 4 if needs be , but this fear driven propaganda by a supposed pillar of Irish media is scandalous just to sell a few more of its rubbish paper or to get a few more hits, by an already over-worried public.

bear in mind, they are all businesses, best way to sell? peddle fear. Honestly stop buying them or subscribing to the nonsense, you dont need it. We all know what is happening regardless, whether we want to or not. Short of relocating a remote cave...

16-10-2020 12:14PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Living alone is living alone, it’s to prevent loneliness, you ever hear of that word?I wouldn’t expect you to feel any empathy toward that situation so your replies to my post mean absolute zilch. My partner of 10 years lives alone and i will be visiting her with precautions full stop. As mcGrath has said it’s not a “ban”.

Dr Glynn has also said they are looking into the possiblity of ‘social bubbles’

I didn't say not to go see them under your own judgement I said visiting someone living alone is not spelled out as an exemption.

The house visit ban I fully support as it highlights the seriousness and will make people think hopefully (and stop idiots having house parties etc) but people who are careful themselves (WFH, not meeting friends etc) and aren't a risk visiting family for essential reasons or to check up no them I don't see as a problem.

average_runner · 16-10-2020 12:16PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

bear in mind, they are all businesses, best way to sell? peddle fear. Honestly stop buying them or subscribing to the nonsense, you dont need it. We all know what is happening regardless, whether we want to or not. Short of relocating a remote cave...

They be gone bankrupt soon enough, always struggling

Lundstram · 16-10-2020 12:20PM

This sums up RTE. The sooner the better they run out of money and disappear.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1316790331841613826?s=21

KennisWhale · 16-10-2020 12:20PM

It is interesting that NPHET are banging the lockdown drum in the context of deaths being extremely low. While cases are increasing and there is a perception that hospitals are being stretched because of this, in reality it is not being shown to the public that this correlation is a causation. It could be that hospitals have reopened to more patients and testing increased.

Nonetheless, even for covid cases requiring treatment and resources being stretched as a result of the increased cases, the issue I have is that level 5 lockdown is being proposed in the context of the public being given little in terms of less restriction since the last lockdown ended back in May. For example, it has not been possible in Dublin to go for a beer in your local pub since March in contrast to other European countries. In addition, travel was more severely restricted than in other European countries over the summer.

The public were not given much in return for adhering to the last lockdown the last few months (and they did adhere to it, hence numbers hitting the floor), therefore I think it is unjust and grossly unfair to put society back into level 5 lockdown in this context. Adherence is going to be much lower this time I suspect, particularly with inconsistent measures like with the open airports and schools remaining open.

bucketybuck · 16-10-2020 12:23PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

but people who are careful themselves (WFH, not meeting friends etc) and aren't a risk visiting family for essential reasons or to check up no them I don't see as a problem.

Let me guess, those essential reasons will of course include anything that you yourself decide you want to do? Such as getting mammy to do your washing or to get your daily fry?

Same as when you decided to travel to work just because you could?

Typical Nox, one rule for him and one for everybody else.

hynesie08 · 16-10-2020 12:25PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

I didn't say not to go see them under your own judgement I said visiting someone living alone is not spelled out as an exemption.

The house visit ban I fully support as it highlights the seriousness and will make people think hopefully (and stop idiots having house parties etc) but people who are careful themselves (WFH, not meeting friends etc) and aren't a risk visiting family for essential reasons or to check up no them I don't see as a problem.

Are you seeing the parents this weekend nox?

darconio · 16-10-2020 12:29PM

Ah but we have to save xmas: as in what way? Like in 6 weeks everybody will be able to go around and do as they please? give me a fcuking break

ShyMets · 16-10-2020 12:33PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Are you seeing the parents this weekend nox?

Lets be too hard on nox. We don't want to frighten him away. The comedic value of his posts alone make this thread worthwhile

ELM327 · 16-10-2020 12:38PM

Level 5 lockdown is pointless without closing the schools.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 12:40PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Level 5 lockdown is pointless without closing the schools.

It's pretty silly without the schools too.

ShyMets · 16-10-2020 12:40PM

The more I think about moving to level 5 is exactly what Covid expects us to. Instead we should immediately move to level 1. That'll put Covid on the back foot

darconio · 16-10-2020 12:41PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Level 5 lockdown is pointless without closing the schools.

FTFY

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 12:43PM

ShyMets wrote: »

The more I think about moving to level 5 is exactly what Covid expects us to. Instead we should immediately move to level 1. That'll put Covid on the back foot

Shock the b*stard :pac:

FintanMcluskey · 16-10-2020 12:51PM

Lundstram wrote: »

This sums up RTE. The sooner the better they run out of money and disappear.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1316790331841613826?s=21

Disgusting use of emotional persuasion.

State funded media is the issue.

At this stage I would happily donate €10 a week to find an impartial source of media.

Can’t find one however

pjohnson · 16-10-2020 12:55PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Disgusting use of emotional persuasion.

State funded media is the issue.

At this stage I would happily donate €10 a week to find an impartial source of media.

Can’t find one however

Start one up Fintan.

ELM327 · 16-10-2020 12:58PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

It's pretty silly without the schools too.

Yeah, I mean, if your ambition is to catch covid

Lundstram · 16-10-2020 01:02PM

So what’s the long term plan here? Lockdown, open, lockdown, open? Said it here 6 months ago, herd immunity will eventually occur all over the world but they seem intent on destroying lives and economies first.

The Swedish approach was correct. Yes they have more deaths as of now but they’ll have built up immunity much faster and the rest will eventually pass them out.

Forget about a vaccine, it’s not happening. 7 months at it now and they’re nowhere near one. Forget it. Pie in the sky stuff.

Utterly depressing situation. I don’t envy decision makers but I think we are at the stage now of something has to give. Of course we will not lead the way, we will wait to see what others do.

Small island mentality.

pjohnson · 16-10-2020 01:03PM

Lundstram wrote: »

So what’s the long term plan here? Lockdown, open, lockdown, open? Said it here 6 months ago, herd immunity will eventually occur all over the world but they seem intent on destroying lives and economies first.

The Swedish approach was correct. Yes they have more deaths as of now but they’ll have built up immunity much faster and the rest will eventually pass them out.

Forget about a vaccine, it’s not happening. 7 months at it now and they’re nowhere near one. Forget it. Pie in the sky stuff.

Utterly depressing situation. I don’t envy decision makers but I think we are at the stage now of something has to give. Of course we will not lead the way, we will wait to see what others do.

Small island mentality.

Fear mongering

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 01:03PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Yeah, I mean, if your ambition is to catch covid

I'm not anti-restrictions, but I see blanket restrictions being a bad thing.

Bot1 · 16-10-2020 01:06PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Level 5 lockdown is pointless without closing the schools.

Somethings are so important they should remain open.

Schools are an example of this.

If parents/families just act responsibly outside of school it's not a problem.

FintanMcluskey · 16-10-2020 01:07PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Start one up Fintan.

I’ll have lots of interest P.

The mood is changing, the thoughts of level 5 until late next June is sitting well with many I’m afraid.

Lundstram · 16-10-2020 01:07PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Fear mongering

Realism.

Lockdown merchants think a vaccine will appear out of nowhere? Doesn’t work like that.

MadYaker · 16-10-2020 01:24PM

Lundstram wrote: »

So what’s the long term plan here? Lockdown, open, lockdown, open? Said it here 6 months ago, herd immunity will eventually occur all over the world but they seem intent on destroying lives and economies first.

The Swedish approach was correct. Yes they have more deaths as of now but they’ll have built up immunity much faster and the rest will eventually pass them out.

Forget about a vaccine, it’s not happening. 7 months at it now and they’re nowhere near one. Forget it. Pie in the sky stuff.

Utterly depressing situation. I don’t envy decision makers but I think we are at the stage now of something has to give. Of course we will not lead the way, we will wait to see what others do.

Small island mentality.

So much wrong in one post it's hard to know where to start but I'll try.

First of all, herd immunity will happen via a vaccine a lot faster than it will happen by the virus just spreading naturally. Nobody really knows but you'd probably need about 70% or maybe more of the population to have gotten infected to get there and no country, even the USA with all it's cases and deaths, is nowhere near it. Even in NY and other large cities antibody testing finds about 20% - 30% have had it. Another problem with that is we don't know how long natural immunity lasts and there have been cases of people getting infected a second time.

The Swedish aren't pursuing a herd immunity strategy and they will tell you that themselves, because nobody has any idea if it's even possible so it would be insane to try. Mass vaccination with an effective vaccine is generally a well planned, safe event resulting in a good level of herd immunity. We have sidelined numerous diseases this way. The outcome of allowing uncontrolled spread of a virus that can kill people is a lot less predictable, would involve an awful lot of people dying (and not just from covid) because our hospitals simply wouldn't cope and overall it would actually be more damaging to society and economy than the current restrictions.

A vaccine actually is going to come, I'm not sure why some people are trying so hard to convince themselves that it won't happen? Multiple trials are reaching the final stages and it's the quickest way out of this mess.

drunkmonkey · 16-10-2020 01:25PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Level 5 lockdown is pointless without closing the schools.

It's pointless when the track and trace isn't fit for purpose and we have no exit plan out of it....

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings