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_Brian · 11-10-2020 07:56PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Oh said the same last week when he was delivering a load of steel. He was the only one wearing a mask. No wonder their figures are crazy

Yea.
Even the athletes were arriving 4-5 per car and no masks where direction for atheletes from the south is zero car sharing at all. We had two swimmers and brought two cars.

whelan2 · 11-10-2020 07:58PM

_Brian wrote: »

Yea.
Even the athletes were arriving 4-5 per car and no masks where direction for atheletes from the south is zero car sharing at all. We had two swimmers and brought two cars.

Eldest lad was entered into a 5k race in down royal yesterday. He didnt go. 250 people ran in it. Madness. There was a 10k and half marathon too

_Brian · 11-10-2020 08:02PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Eldest lad was entered into a 5k race in down royal yesterday. He didnt go. 250 people ran in it. Madness. There was a 10k and half marathon too

Eldest said the layout for training was brilliant in fairness, no more than 6 to a 50m lane and all staggered start points son o gathering together. But this coach is a stickler for doing things well. We’ve no competitions planned, just glad she’s training during LC year because otherwise it could be down a rabbit hole of books, books, books which isn’t healthy at all.

whelan2 · 11-10-2020 08:05PM

I think there's a lot of pressure on them to do well at school in case the leaving cert works out like this year

_Brian · 11-10-2020 08:13PM

whelan2 wrote: »

I think there's a lot of pressure on them to do well at school in case the leaving cert works out like this year

She was saying afternoons are very difficult.

With all the windows and door open it’s cold and draughty, with classes increased from 40 to 60 minutes and double afternoon class is 2 hours sitting in one place with the mask on in the cold. Not an ideal learning environment but they are making the best of what they have.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 11-10-2020 08:20PM

_Brian wrote: »

Was in the north this morning.

Very little effort being made at all. Went into a cafe and we were only people wearing masks, group of church goers came in and it was handshakes and hugs all round. No social distancing at all. These are all basic things at this stage.

Just a quick look at the incidence across each county. Take a look at Clare...
https://twitter.com/Clearpreso/status/1315305025539891201?s=19

Reggie. · 12-10-2020 03:46PM

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/home-family-pets/belgian-health-experts-demand-full-investigation-into-who-for-faking-covid-19-pandemic/

Buford T. Justice XIX · 12-10-2020 03:49PM

Sweden seems to be missing their targets for acquiring herd immunity and remains vulnerable to a second wave.

https://www.rsm.ac.uk/media-releases/2020/covid-19-herd-immunity-in-sweden-fails-to-materialise/

Water John · 12-10-2020 05:21PM

Reggie. wrote: »

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/home-family-pets/belgian-health-experts-demand-full-investigation-into-who-for-faking-covid-19-pandemic/

The WHO haven't forced anyone to do anything. they have no legal power. They have to sue their own Govn't and good luck with that.

14-10-2020 12:59PM

So our young lad had a test in September and had another just this week. Both results negative. He has a dirty cold but he's prone to them in a normal year. The difference between the two tests is when the first test results came back negative we could go back about our lives once he wasn't a close contact of a Covid patient. But, the second test we must still self isolate for 48 hours AFTER his symptoms clear up. That's quite a difference in time and sends a message about how the virus is in the country.

whelan2 · 14-10-2020 01:02PM

See the government are meeting about putting more restrictions in border counties. Louth had less than 5 cases yesterday.

_Brian · 14-10-2020 03:50PM

whelan2 wrote: »

See the government are meeting about putting more restrictions in border counties. Louth had less than 5 cases yesterday.

They are very sluggish in their reaction with the virus surging ahead of them unchecked. Donegal, cavan and Monaghan should have been at L4 two weeks ago. Their focus seems to be more on showing their importance above NEPHET rather than dealing with the situation. Leo seems to have stopped the best interest of the country and gone right back to scoring points for his political career. Michael is at sea, not seeming to know what is the right thing to do. Donnelly is trying too hard to seem intelligent and in control but is coming across as conceited and smug. Between them they have lost the buy in of the public.

greysides · 15-10-2020 08:33AM

Largest COVID-19 contact tracing study to date finds children key to spread, evidence of superspreaders.

Extracts:

A study of more than a half-million people in India who were exposed to the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 suggests that the virus’ continued spread is driven by only a small percentage of those who become infected.

The researchers found that 71% of infected individuals did not infect any of their contacts, while a mere 8% of infected individuals accounted for 60% of new infections.

The researchers found that the chances of a person with coronavirus, regardless of their age, passing it on to a close contact ranged from 2.6% in the community to 9% in the household. The researchers found that children and young adults — who made up one-third of COVID cases — were especially key to transmitting the virus in the studied populations.

“Kids are very efficient transmitters in this setting, which is something that hasn’t been firmly established in previous studies,” Laxminarayan said. “We found that reported cases and deaths have been more concentrated in younger cohorts than we expected based on observations in higher-income countries.”

Children and young adults were much more likely to contract coronavirus from people their own age, the study found. Across all age groups, people had a greater chance of catching the coronavirus from someone their own age. The overall probability of catching coronavirus ranged from 4.7% for low-risk contacts up to 10.7% for high-risk contacts.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence

If my maths are correct and :

71% ----> 0% new cases

8% ----> 60% new cases

then

21% ----> 40% new cases

The disease (in India) is being kept going by just 29% cases.

whelan2 · 15-10-2020 01:06PM

emaherx wrote: »

There are 3 marquee's up outside some houses in a housing estate up the road from me and cars parked up all along the main road in front of the estate since the weekend. Doubt the Gardaí will have the balls to visit that particular gathering though.

Just heard on lmfm of an outbreak in the traveller community in navan. Following a function which had 3 marquees on the green of a council estate

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-10-2020 01:14PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Just heard on lmfm of an outbreak in the traveller community in navan. Following a function which had 3 marquees on the green of a council estate

Same down here, a christening in Killarney, by most accounts, and relations from Tralee and Listowel travelled for the party. And that's on top of most of the Garda traffic corps catching it as well.

This isn't going to end well:eek:

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-10-2020 01:35PM

Some are referencing the Swedish model f response to Coronavirus.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

I'm not sure we need that type of response, tbh.

yosemitesam1 · 15-10-2020 01:45PM

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Some are referencing the Swedish model f response to Coronavirus.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

I'm not sure we need that type of response, tbh.

Gave up reading before the end but that is one very biased article Buford

Neddyusa · 15-10-2020 02:05PM

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Same down here, a christening in Killarney, by most accounts, and relations from Tralee and Listowel travelled for the party. And that's on top of most of the Garda traffic corps catching it as well.

This isn't going to end well:eek:

Seriously - why the need to constantly blame people (neighbor's/young people/christenings)?!

This is a highly transmissible virus that's been in every parish in the country since spring.

Trying to stop or eradicate it now is as effective as trying to stop the rain falling from the sky or the sun setting in the west.

It's long past the time to stop blaming people and to get on with our lives while taking precautions around the small cohort of vulnerable people.
Coronaviruses will be around long after we are all gone!!

Do the people blaming sports teams/young people/travellers/insert "somebody else" here, also need to blame someone when their child gets chickenpox?!

emaherx · 15-10-2020 02:27PM

Neddyusa wrote: »

Seriously - why the need to constantly blame people (neighbor's/young people/christenings)?!

This is a highly transmissible virus that's been in every parish in the country since spring.

Trying to stop or eradicate it now is as effective as trying to stop the rain falling from the sky or the sun setting in the west.

It's long past the time to stop blaming people and to get on with our lives while taking precautions around the small cohort of vulnerable people.
Coronaviruses will be around long after we are all gone!!

Do the people blaming sports teams/young people/travellers/insert "somebody else" here, also need to blame someone when their child gets chickenpox?!

That's a bit simplistic, the people up the road from me had marquees up partying for a full week while blocking the road into town with their cars including the area in front of a school where kids are dropped off and picked up. It's a bit more than just blaming people for having a few people to a christening.

A farmer who hosted a wedding on his own land got a very hefty fine.

Dinzee Conlee · 15-10-2020 04:56PM

Neddyusa wrote: »

Seriously - why the need to constantly blame people (neighbor's/young people/christenings)?!

This is a highly transmissible virus that's been in every parish in the country since spring.

Trying to stop or eradicate it now is as effective as trying to stop the rain falling from the sky or the sun setting in the west.

It's long past the time to stop blaming people and to get on with our lives while taking precautions around the small cohort of vulnerable people.
Coronaviruses will be around long after we are all gone!!

Do the people blaming sports teams/young people/travellers/insert "somebody else" here, also need to blame someone when their child gets chickenpox?!

I don't know if its about blame, so much as it is people not sticking to the communicated rules...
We have rules to limit the spread, and everyone should stick to them. Sure, the virus is highly transmissible, and it might spread even though people are trying their best.
But, if people aren't, and they are all packed together into a small space for hours - they should be called out on it.

precautions around the small cohort of vulnerable people.

Its a hard one to implement in reality I think...
I believe its accepted that one vulnerable cohort are people aged over 70?
Lets say everyone under 70 mixes away as normal - sports, pub, etc. Who then interacts with the 70+ people?
Should all children & grandchildren stay away from them? Where do you draw the line?

I guess the big question is - are we happy to let the majority live carefree, unimpacted lives - knowing that a certain 'vulnerable' minority could pay heavily for it?

Neddyusa · 15-10-2020 06:20PM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I don't know if its about blame, so much as it is people not sticking to the communicated rules...
We have rules to limit the spread, and everyone should stick to them. Sure, the virus is highly transmissible, and it might spread even though people are trying their best.
But, if people aren't, and they are all packed together into a small space for hours - they should be called out on it.

Its a hard one to implement in reality I think...
I believe its accepted that one vulnerable cohort are people aged over 70?
Lets say everyone under 70 mixes away as normal - sports, pub, etc. Who then interacts with the 70+ people?
Should all children & grandchildren stay away from them? Where do you draw the line?

I guess the big question is - are we happy to let the majority live carefree, unimpacted lives - knowing that a certain 'vulnerable' minority could pay heavily for it?

The problem right now for the vast majority of individuals and businesses is that the cure is worse than the disease.

As for the vulnerable - they know who they are now and as adults should have the freedom to choose whether to cocoon (as correctly advised) or not.

The health of many fit and active over 70s, is now suffering from the social isolation, as well as having routine medical checks and procedures postponed.

I spoke to a man in his late 70s yesterday who was in tears on the phone.
He hadnt been outside the gate of the farm since March.
He is relatively healthy but living in fear.
He was a very social and outgoing man. His weekly outings were to the mart or shops in town during the week and to mass and a football match at the weekend.
He now sees no-one except his wife and the daughter who drops the shopping at the door.
He only sees his grandchildren on the phone.
How is it right for a (previously sociable and outgoing man) who has only a short few years left - to spend them in fearful isolation like this?

wrangler · 15-10-2020 06:34PM

Neddyusa wrote: »

The problem right now for the vast majority of individuals and businesses is that the cure is worse than the disease.

As for the vulnerable - they know who they are now and as adults should have the freedom to choose whether to cocoon (as correctly advised) or not.

The health of many fit and active over 70s, is now suffering from the social isolation, as well as having routine medical checks and procedures postponed.

I spoke to a man in his late 70s yesterday who was in tears on the phone.
He hadnt been outside the gate of the farm since March.
He is relatively healthy but living in fear.
He was a very social and outgoing man. His weekly outings were to the mart or shops in town during the week and to mass and a football match at the weekend.
He now sees no-one except his wife and the daughter who drops the shopping at the door.
He only sees his grandchildren on the phone.
How is it right for a (previously sociable and outgoing man) who has only a short few years left - to spend them in fearful isolation like this?

I don't think I'd be as extreme as that. I use plenty of sanitiser and wear the mask while I'm out, It's all you can do and then know If you get it you've done your best. I'd rather die of Covid than loneliness, Quality of llife has taken enough of a hit without trying to be a martyr

Say my name · 15-10-2020 06:48PM

wrangler wrote: »

I don't think I'd be as extreme as that. I use plenty of sanitiser and wear the mask while I'm out, It's all you can do and then know If you get it you've done your best. I'd rather die of Covid than loneliness, Quality of llife has taken enough of a hit without trying to be a martyr

This has been a shocking time for people dying without the Covid.

My sister tells of a woman in tears at the entrance to Waterford hospital pleading with security staff to let her visit her dying husband and being told to go home.

This episode won't be forgotten lightly and no sign of an end in sight.

Albert Johnson · 15-10-2020 07:52PM

Neddyusa wrote: »

The problem right now for the vast majority of individuals and businesses is that the cure is worse than the disease.

As for the vulnerable - they know who they are now and as adults should have the freedom to choose whether to cocoon (as correctly advised) or not.

The health of many fit and active over 70s, is now suffering from the social isolation, as well as having routine medical checks and procedures postponed.

I spoke to a man in his late 70s yesterday who was in tears on the phone.
He hadnt been outside the gate of the farm since March.
He is relatively healthy but living in fear.
He was a very social and outgoing man. His weekly outings were to the mart or shops in town during the week and to mass and a football match at the weekend.
He now sees no-one except his wife and the daughter who drops the shopping at the door.
He only sees his grandchildren on the phone.
How is it right for a (previously sociable and outgoing man) who has only a short few years left - to spend them in fearful isolation like this?

An elderly man from my own locality is in a similar situation in a local town. He's a bachelor so see's no one only passers by outside and the local supermarket delivery driver. This man was a very sociable individual and a great man to attend marts, festivals ect and was never off the road. He sold his farm a few years back and bought a nice house in town to spend his final few years in comfort. It's ironic that it's become almost a prison to him as he is afraid to venture outside and has less freedom than when he lived in the countryside.

I don't know how he's managed to maintain any sort of sanity having been under house arrest since March and there's still no end in sight. He spends the day reading or watching TV. I think he's lost the courage by now to venture outside and I'm afraid he'll be stuck indoors for whatever length he remains above the ground. It's his own decision of course but that's simply existing and not living imo. I'll be shot down for this but I'm convinced he was better to have died in March. It's hard to believe that so called expert's believe that the above constitutes "living" for the vulnerable minorities for quite possibly years to come.

yosemitesam1 · 15-10-2020 08:25PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

An elderly man from my own locality is in a similar situation in a local town. He's a bachelor so see's no one only passers by outside and the local supermarket delivery driver. This man was a very sociable individual and a great man to attend marts, festivals ect and was never off the road. He sold his farm a few years back and bought a nice house in town to spend his final few years in comfort. It's ironic that it's become almost a prison to him as he is afraid to venture outside and has less freedom than when he lived in the countryside.

I don't know how he's managed to maintain any sort of sanity having been under house arrest since March and there's still no end in sight. He spends the day reading or watching TV. I think he's lost the courage by now to venture outside and I'm afraid he'll be stuck indoors for whatever length he remains above the ground. It's his own decision of course but that's simply existing and not living imo. I'll be shot down for this but I'm convinced he was better to have died in March. It's hard to believe that so called expert's believe that the above constitutes "living" for the vulnerable minorities for quite possibly years to come.

I think the way things are gone, many more years of life will have been lost than saved across both old and young

odyssey06 · 15-10-2020 08:31PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

I think the way things are gone, many more years of life will have been lost than saved across both old and young

Completely disagree.

If we let this run wild... we will have many young people facing a lifetime of long covid - chronic fatigue.

If ICU capacity is breached we will have people dying who could have been saved... the demographic with highest ICU admission is 55-64.

If surge ICU capacity is activated it will mean the cancellation of many other mon covid operations and procedures.

We need to keep a lid on this. The stakes are not just 80+ year olds in nursing homes.

Water John · 15-10-2020 09:58PM

As it stands now a figure od around 100 in ICU by the end of this month. No one thinks we can eradicate the virus but we have to limit its spread.
In fairness for much of the time since March we have not been asked to isolate. The guidance has been keep your distance, wear a mask. See plenty people holding good chats with friends using these two. The distance apart is only 6 feet.

greysides · 15-10-2020 10:36PM

Aerosol transmission, the under-estimated mode.

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/1015/1171654-airborne-transmission-spread-covid-19-winter-indoors/

greysides · 15-10-2020 11:54PM

Evidence of the effectiveness of cloth masks in protecting others and protecting yourself.

https://theconversation.com/covid-19-masks-faqs-how-can-cloth-stop-a-tiny-virus-whats-the-best-fabric-do-they-protect-the-wearer-146822

greenfield21 · 16-10-2020 12:01AM

Something like 5 people have been known to be reinfected with covid. So herd immunity is possible. Would you agree. interesting to see hotspots moving to new areas now aswell. Will places that have locked down now fare worse over coming winter assuming we face lockdown fatigue.

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