Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

charlie14 · 14-10-2020 05:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Charlie a citizen over 65 was just as safe from Covid in Sweden as a citizen over 65 in Ireland.

Please loose the moral pontificating about making excuses for deaths, I’m not, I’m just stating the stats

No Fintan what you were attempting to do was show there was a direct correlation between deaths of over 65`s and Covid-19
What you have been consistently doing is using and outlier and attempting to dress it up as statistics.

In Finland alone, (a country with a higher percentage of those over 65 than Sweden), if all Covid-19 deaths were over 65 they would still be less than Sweden by a factor of 9. And that is not an outlier. The same is true for the rest of the Scandinavian countries.

Penfailed · 14-10-2020 06:01PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

watching the Finland vs Ireland match and seeing supporters allowed in the stadium. All spread out

Meanwhile here were not allowing any spectators into sports grounds and there's no plans too in the next 6-9 months. The government says its the case of people congregating outside the stadium that will be the problem

Supporters were allowed at GAA matches here too. 400 or so in large grounds. Did they space out? Did they fúck. That's why we can't have nice things.

MadYaker · 14-10-2020 06:16PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

Another opinion poll that found 62% of respondents in favor of more restrictions which is surprising imo. Gov not polling well on their handling of this at all. Id be interested to see the actual questions asked. “More restrictions” is a bit vague I doubt most people would be in favour of a return to level 5.

CruelSummer · 14-10-2020 06:20PM

MadYaker wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

Another opinion poll that found 62% of respondents in favor of more restrictions which is surprising imo. Gov not polling well on their handling of this at all. Id be interested to see the actual questions asked. “More restrictions” is a bit vague I doubt most people would be in favour of a return to level 5.

Who partakes in these Amárach polls...they alway seems to peddle a specific agenda. Why would anyone want the shops to close & more restrictions.

charlie14 · 14-10-2020 06:21PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Question. This virus - if you let it run loose and it went exponential and affected eventually everyone. Do you think that it then will just run riot in the population all the time and simply reinfect and reinfect and reinfect forever and ever? Or would you say there may be - once a certain saturation is reached - some sort of slowdown?
I would be interested in what you think. Regardless of the debate. Regardless of what anyone might say one way or the other. Just your own gut feeling.

It might, but how many would it have killed or left with other long-term health issue would be the question.

From what I can see that is the only point of argument from those that talk about acquired herd immunity.
All those that may become immune will have done so by becoming infected, while those that cannot for numerous reason will have died off.
All well and good on the mother nature providing immunity argument, but what they seem to forget is that this is not a virus that plays by mother natures rules. It is a virus that has jumped species and has adapted to infecting human hosts.

When all the easy targets are gone who can say it will not further adapt.
I posted some stats from Mexico on deaths in the 35-55 age group recently. Not saying that is the reason there, but considering the age group we know to date that are most susceptible to this virus, I found them interesting to say the least.

PTH2009 · 14-10-2020 06:33PM

GAA truly the whipping boys in the main thread now. As usual calls for it to be all shut down because of what happened with the clubs.

Look if the county players feel safe in playing the championship then lets go. Like everyone else personal responsibility comes into play

The stuff with the clubs was ridiclous and questions should be asked with strong ratifications

drunkmonkey · 14-10-2020 06:36PM

MadYaker wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1014/1171568-covid-restrictions-opinion-poll/

Another opinion poll that found 62% of respondents in favor of more restrictions which is surprising imo. Gov not polling well on their handling of this at all. Id be interested to see the actual questions asked. “More restrictions” is a bit vague I doubt most people would be in favour of a return to level 5.

I'd well believe it, loads in favour of a hard lockdown, once you remind them we tried that before the light bulb switches back on.

Plenty of people now working form home it suits, plenty of people on the pup as well getting paid to do nothing, once it dawns on those people there out of a job they'll see the error of their ways.

14-10-2020 06:42PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd well believe it, loads in favour of a hard lockdown, once you remind them we tried that before the light bulb switches back on.

Plenty of people now working form home it suits, plenty of people on the pup as well getting paid to do nothing, once it dawns on those people there out of a job they'll see the error of their ways.

So who polices them then?? this group of absolute ****wits???

Makes us all look like mugs..feck the house parties, start testing those patrolling them!!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40064792.html

why isn't his big news? where's drew Harris now?

14-10-2020 06:45PM

This garda actually took a test and then went on to work as normal!!
Why isn't everyone up in arms over this lad like they did the care worker?

Judge David Waters was notified at around 1pm, during the day's proceedings, that a senior garda in the Kerry Division, who was present in court, had tested positive for Covid-19

14-10-2020 06:52PM

polesheep wrote: »

The WHO disagrees with herd immunity as a strategy. Not as a fact.

They disagree with it as a fact for dealing with a pandemic using it. It has never been done without a vaccine.

normanoffside · 14-10-2020 07:04PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Supporters were allowed at GAA matches here too. 400 or so in large grounds. Did they space out? Did they fúck. That's why we can't have nice things.

There we 7,500 allowed into that Finland game and they were all congregated into the two main stands (mostly in the areas overlooking the centre circle).
Nobody at either of the ends behind the goals.

Exactly the same as at the GAA matches.

Penfailed · 14-10-2020 07:16PM

normanoffside wrote: »

There we 7,500 allowed into that Finland game and they were all congregated into the two main stands (mostly in the areas overlooking the centre circle).
Nobody at either of the ends behind the goals.

Exactly the same as at the GAA matches.

I didn't see it. I can only go by the post that said that they were all 'spread out'.

normanoffside · 14-10-2020 07:24PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I didn't see it. I can only go by the post that said that they were all 'spread out'.

This kid of spread out

Penfailed · 14-10-2020 07:30PM

normanoffside wrote: »

This kid of spread out

I had expected them to be more spread out to be fair. It's hard to tell from the angle but is every second or third row empty? They're all wearing masks too.

charlie14 · 14-10-2020 07:35PM

normanoffside wrote: »

There we 7,500 allowed into that Finland game and they were all congregated into the two main stands (mostly in the areas overlooking the centre circle).
Nobody at either of the ends behind the goals.

Exactly the same as at the GAA matches.

Noting to suggest the outcome will be any different other than Finland due to their lower figures having lower new cases.
Seem to recall ice hockey is Scandinavia`s first cousin to our GAA clubs where new cases are involved.
That is not a swipe at the GAA, I have been involved in the GAA all my live and if there is one thing I miss more than anything it`s live GAA games, but some of those club players and supporters were absolute morons.

vafankillar · 14-10-2020 07:36PM

what do people think should happen if dublin stays the way it's going? mostly around the same? surely something will have to happen if it's not going down. I dont want a level 4, but i dont know if the garda trying to enforce current restrictions would work or maybe counter productive if people reaction badly. I just dont know tbh

14-10-2020 07:46PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Who partakes in these Amárach polls...they alway seems to peddle a specific agenda. Why would anyone want the shops to close & more restrictions.

Because they feel it’s necessary to curb the spread of the virus. I would like to see more restrictions as I feel we are not doing enough to control the virus.

Edit: great to see the cabinet discussing banning all house visits nationwide. Thy just need fines now to enforce it.

14-10-2020 07:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd well believe it, loads in favour of a hard lockdown, once you remind them we tried that before the light bulb switches back on.
.

The light switch that reminds them how well the lockdown worked is it?

bucketybuck · 14-10-2020 08:04PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

It has never been done without a vaccine.

You know what else has never been done?

A vaccine for a coronavirus.

But sure, lets all lockdown for eternity while we wait for the vaccine to appear.

bucketybuck · 14-10-2020 08:11PM

charlie14 wrote: »

All well and good on the mother nature providing immunity argument, but what they seem to forget is that this is not a virus that plays by mother natures rules. It is a virus that has jumped species and has adapted to infecting human hosts.

When all the easy targets are gone who can say it will not further adapt.
I posted some stats from Mexico on deaths in the 35-55 age group recently. Not saying that is the reason there, but considering the age group we know to date that are most susceptible to this virus, I found them interesting to say the least.

Is this the next page in the fear and hysteria playbook? Cant make people be scared of a virus that doesn't hurt them so we have to invent things like "Long Covid" and now the "mutant child killer covid mark 2" just to keep the narrative going?

Heres a thought, maybe it does mutate, maybe it follows the Andromeda Strain and mutates into a harmless airbourne virus, floats away into space and everything goes back to normal.

Its just as likely, but I bet that won't ever be a headline on RTE news any time soon.

darconio · 14-10-2020 08:23PM

It's clear that we have 2 factions: the pro-lockdown and the pro-get back to normal.
What I don't understand is: why the pro-lockdown want to enforce their way to the whole population?
I've followed the rules and "I''ve been looking after each other" when this "deadly virus" was unknown: the situation has evolved and nobody can't deny that the counter measures applied by the government are simply ridiculous and unnecessary.
I personally won't prevent anybody from wearing full PPE when walking the dog or I won't judge anybody if they want to live their life in the safety of their house.
For all I know tomorrow I could get killed cycling to/from work, the prospective that I spent the last days of my life being miserable because of this enforced situation, or that I wasn't able to visit my relatives abroad is just disarming

bucketybuck · 14-10-2020 08:29PM

darconio wrote: »

It's clear that we have 2 factions: the pro-lockdown and the pro-get back to normal.

No, there is actually a middle ground, I certainly don't think we can just ignore the existence of covid 19 and get back to normal.

I just think there needs to be some perspective involved in our response to it, and the governments response so far has been completely lacking in any perspective.

Rrrrrr2 · 14-10-2020 08:30PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Who partakes in these Amárach polls...they alway seems to peddle a specific agenda. Why would anyone want the shops to close & more restrictions.

And all written by George lee too- does anything more need to be said?

Captain_Crash · 14-10-2020 08:36PM

So household visits now banned.... will their be much compliance? If it’s to stop house parties then we already know that’s a subsection which wasn’t following many guidelines to begin with, so I doubt this will stop them!

Rrrrrr2 · 14-10-2020 08:40PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

So household visits now banned.... will their be much compliance? If it’s to stop house parties then we already know that’s a subsection which wasn’t following many guidelines to begin with, so I doubt this will stop them!

Nah you just can’t micro manage/police people’s private lives to that level. It’s an impossibility at Orwellian levels of intrusion. That must irritate the lockdown zealots no end but that’s the reality of it

Penfailed · 14-10-2020 08:41PM

darconio wrote: »

It's clear that we have 2 factions: the pro-lockdown and the pro-get back to normal.

I'm pro-get back to normal. I'm a realist though. It's not happening in the short term as restrictions are required to pave the way back to normality.

Penfailed · 14-10-2020 08:43PM

Curfews in nine French cities from 9pm to 6am for four weeks. Harsh!

Penfailed · 14-10-2020 08:47PM

Bars and restaurants closed in Catalonia. Schools and bars closing in the Czech Republic.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54535358

FintanMcluskey · 14-10-2020 08:51PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Bars and restaurants closed in Catalonia. Schools and bars closing in the Czech Republic.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54535358

Not really that harsh when you consider they had a normal Summer with minimal social restrictions.

We could get a hair cut a month after bars opened in those places.

Localised lockdowns makes sense however

drunkmonkey · 14-10-2020 08:52PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm pro-get back to normal. I'm a realist though. It's not happening in the short term as restrictions are required to pave the way back to normality.

How do restrictions help in any way get us back to Normal?

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings