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New Guinness 470ml can

  • 09-10-2020 10:27pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭


    I bought a slab of Guinness this evening, poured into my usual glass to discover it doesn't fill it up any more. Not only that but the old style widget is gone too.

    New can is only 470ml, fresh stock from Dunnes Stores


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is due to a shortage of widgets. The usual widgets are being used for regular single can, 8 and 12 packs. The Christmas slabs use a different type of widget in the base of the can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Oh god, another size for people to complain about! (see the 440ml thread)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Cocoon


    L1011 wrote: »
    Oh god, another size for people to complain about! (see the 440ml thread)

    Nothing more satisfying than a nicely poured pint, this can't be achieved with a smaller can. Makes no sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Cocoon wrote: »
    Nothing more satisfying than a nicely poured pint, this can't be achieved with a smaller can. Makes no sense.

    Can't be achieved with 500ml either 😂


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Cocoon wrote: »
    Nothing more satisfying than a nicely poured pint, this can't be achieved with a smaller can. Makes no sense.

    It'll probably fit the 500ml glasses they recently offered as a retail bonus better than the 500ml can did, though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    I suspect that it is USA size. 470ml = 16oz or a USA pint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Cocoon


    L1011 wrote: »
    It'll probably fit the 500ml glasses they recently offered as a retail bonus better than the 500ml can did, though.

    This is how it poured in a pint glass..


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Was the difference reflected in the price at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,411 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Ah here 2020 was bad enough without them starting to mess around with can sizes for Guinness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Maybe there was an argument about, 440ml v 500ml and they split the difference :D:D


    (I'll get my coat)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    If you can’t put the price up, then put the quantity down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Cocoon


    Was the difference reflected in the price at all?

    Priced at €34 for the slab, if the 12 pack remains unaffected I'll buy that in future.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Darc19 wrote: »
    I suspect that it is USA size. 470ml = 16oz or a USA pint.
    If that's the capacity of the can then you're getting less beer than that because of the widget displacement. Left Hand's nitro-widget cans, which I assume are a standard 16oz, advertise 404ml of beer inside.


  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭1990sman


    oh God no. say it isn't so!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,411 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Just a heads up if you hadn't seen it on the BA forum, from tomorrow it's 2 crates of Guinness for €50 in Dunnes so €40 with the voucher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭VeVeX


    begbysback wrote: »
    If you can’t put the price up, then put the quantity down.

    That's why there's only two bites in a snickers now. You need a microfiche machine to see a current funsize snickers.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Diageo in profit squeezing shocker...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is literally only affecting the Christmas slabs. All other packs of Guinness are the same as before. They usually do about 700,000 slabs at Christmas but only have 400,000 widgets to spare this year so the slabs get put out in the smaller cans with the different widget in the base.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    This is literally only affecting the Christmas slabs. All other packs of Guinness are the same as before. They usually do about 700,000 slabs at Christmas but only have 400,000 widgets to spare this year so the slabs get put out in the smaller cans with the different widget in the base.

    How is changing supply chains and production kit to get a smaller can with a different widget that much easier than just making more floating widgets?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    L1011 wrote: »
    How is changing supply chains and production kit to get a smaller can with a different widget that much easier than just making more floating widgets?

    I have no idea, it's just what our Diageo rep told us at work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I have no idea, it's just what our Diageo rep told us at work.

    Diageo excel at marketing spin. Hence the two part pour and indeed every single bit of Guinness mythology.

    Its not a plausible reason, basically. What other product (by anyone at all) uses a 470ml can with a fixed widget that would cause there to be a significant supply available?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    I'll be getting a load of Beamish so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,649 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    This is literally only affecting the Christmas slabs. All other packs of Guinness are the same as before. They usually do about 700,000 slabs at Christmas but only have 400,000 widgets to spare this year so the slabs get put out in the smaller cans with the different widget in the base.

    Don’t buy it. Each cab requires a widget , if there’s a widget shortage then are the cans bigger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Please don't talk about Beamish, I'll have to go rock back and forth in the corner if its mentioned too much. The one benefit of visiting lots of vaguely sketchy inner city pubs is they usually have decent pints of Beamish for half nothing and I've been missing it since March.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    L1011 wrote: »
    Please don't talk about Beamish, I'll have to go rock back and forth in the corner if its mentioned too much. The one benefit of visiting lots of vaguely sketchy inner city pubs is they usually have decent pints of Beamish for half nothing and I've been missing it since March.
    This is also how I discovered a taste for it ! It's not bad out of a can (to my surprise).


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is also how I discovered a taste for it ! It's not bad out of a can (to my surprise).

    I worry that the pour is illicit. The devil is a terrible paymaster and so is an awkward can decanted into a glass. I fear for the soul of man, is there any hope for absolution.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    I worry that the pour is illicit. The devil is a terrible paymaster and so is an awkward can decanted into a glass. I fear for the soul of man, is there any hope for absolution.
    ? You've lost me !

    I think bed might be the best for you now haha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    BeerNut wrote: »
    If that's the capacity of the can then you're getting less beer than that because of the widget displacement. Left Hand's nitro-widget cans, which I assume are a standard 16oz, advertise 404ml of beer inside.

    Legally if it states 470ml contents it must have 470ml.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    First they take our pints and pubs now they take our cans :(

    And they're threatening the offies, plus on Tuesday it's the budget we know what that means. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    First they take our pints and pubs now they take our cans :(

    And they're threatening the offies, plus on Tuesday it's the budget we know what that means. :(

    The last alcohol excise increase was 2013; the "old reliables" just became the "old reliable" of tobacco in recent years.

    I think that excise increase was actually just returning it to an older level as it had actually been cut to try help the sector in the crash; but I might be imagining that!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    One might think this little switcharoo would be publicised or have a price reduction? Of course not in the rip off republic!

    Just seen a family member has purchased 24 of these bad boys, that won't fill the glass. How many will do the same and they piss off in the process? Nice one Diageo! How can they run out of widgets!?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    L1011 wrote: »
    The last alcohol excise increase was 2013; the "old reliables" just became the "old reliable" of tobacco in recent years.

    I think that excise increase was actually just returning it to an older level as it had actually been cut to try help the sector in the crash; but I might be imagining that!
    Isn't there minimum pricing coming soon too? Although from what I gather this will affect the Tesco cider and Dutch Gold drinkers rather than Guinness?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭noby


    What's also coming soon is a ban on price based promotions, and quantity discounts. What that means is, if you offer, say 24 cans of 500ml for €24, then if you also sell single cans of the same product they cannot be sold for more than €1.
    But if you sell, say slabs of 470ml cans, but don't offer the same product in lesser quantities, then quantity discount doesn't come into play.


    Or, you know, maybe they're just out of widgets, as the rep said...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭bobbyy gee


    Less is More


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    noby wrote: »
    What's also coming soon is a ban on price based promotions, and quantity discounts. What that means is, if you offer, say 24 cans of 500ml for €24, then if you also sell single cans of the same product they cannot be sold for more than €1.
    But if you sell, say slabs of 470ml cans, but don't offer the same product in lesser quantities, then quantity discount doesn't come into play.


    Or, you know, maybe they're just out of widgets, as the rep said...
    I think this is it in a nutshell. The new law comes into effect in early January when stock of Christmas slabs are likely to still be floating around.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,355 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    There is only 1 solution to this. Book a return flight to Australia, quarantine for 2 weeks in a hotel at your own expense, then head into the city and buy yourself a scooner glass and then fly home. Then you can pour the Guinness and it will be a full glass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    There is quite a difference.
    I don't see why we have to bend over for Americanisms all the time.

    A proper pint is called imperial pint in the colonies and is 20 fl ounces, not a feeble 16.

    cansizes-cc.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    noby wrote: »
    What's also coming soon is a ban on price based promotions, and quantity discounts. What that means is, if you offer, say 24 cans of 500ml for €24, then if you also sell single cans of the same product they cannot be sold for more than €1.
    But if you sell, say slabs of 470ml cans, but don't offer the same product in lesser quantities, then quantity discount doesn't come into play.


    Or, you know, maybe they're just out of widgets, as the rep said...

    They may ban sales of more than 2L in a package, so no more slabs of 24 - instead 6 x 4 packs.

    It's a psychological thing of loading up a trolley with numerous packs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Cocoon wrote: »
    Nothing more satisfying than a nicely poured pint, this can't be achieved with a smaller can. Makes no sense.

    The trick is to add water to the glass first, then pour the Guinness, and it'll reach the correct level.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    There is only 1 solution to this. Book a return flight to Australia, quarantine for 2 weeks in a hotel at your own expense, then head into the city and buy yourself a scooner glass and then fly home. Then you can pour the Guinness and it will be a full glass.

    Probably cheaper to order one off Amazon, but the holiday could be nice!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Effects wrote: »
    The trick is to add water to the glass first, then pour the Guinness, and it'll reach the correct level.

    Or add guinness from a can. If you do not drink a lot you can pour it in a bottle and keep it in the fridge. About a half inch does it.

    If they are doing this to scam the discount system I can imagine the poor (pour?) engineers who worked on this multi million euro project are even more sickened to see them actually reduce it down further!

    What a complete and utter waste, I have said before the conspiracy theorist in me makes me think they never wanted people to have a decent pint at home, makes no sense to have the 500ml size, the can is NOT standardised in size in case anybody comes up with that excuse, it had to grow to house the widget. I have never seen a decent looking poured 500ml can of guinness in a 568ml glass, it simply cannot happen, unless your standards are in the gutter.

    470 might suit a 500ml glass though, as mentioned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    Noticed the these cans on sale in dunnes on Saturday and thought I was seeing things also I noted on the side on these 470 ml cans that the contact details are for both NI and ROI which I have never seen before - they normally sell 440 ml in the north with UK contact details in then and 500 ml in the south have ROI contacts- also I noticed looking at the base of the cans these are manufactured in Runcorn GH/GJ are the caning lines in Runcorn and GE is the line in Belfast - BG is a canning partner they use when they are busy but only can largers like Carlsberg harp and tuburg no nitro beers - the irish 500 mls are normally canned in Belfast maybe it’s just a one off for Christmas or as pointed out it’s to do with. MUP.


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Nothing to do with MUP, but with the ban on multi-buy promotions from January 11th next.

    Presumably slab deals will be illegal if the price-per-can works out cheaper than the price a single can retails for but if the slabs consist of cans that aren't sold loose, then that should be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    A trick they can do with bars in multipacks is not have the legally required nutritional info listed on the individual wrappers, only on the main one. The "from a mulitpack, not to be sold singly" has no legal bearing.

    But now many bars have gone below 50g and I think they might be exempt.

    They could have a different barcode on the cans I guess, or if the law covers that it could be reduced to 4.1% like in the UK.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    I think I will just pay for the 4, 8 or 12 packs if they remain at 500ml. Why must we be such a nanny state and try to ban everything,


  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    begbysback wrote: »
    If you can’t put the price up, then put the quantity down.

    There's a 2 Ronnies sketch about British Rail and theres a line in it something like: "Despite recent inflation we have not increased the price of a cup of tea on our services. We have however, reduced the size of the cup".


  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Isn't there minimum pricing coming soon too? Although from what I gather this will affect the Tesco cider and Dutch Gold drinkers rather than Guinness?

    Theres a huge other thread for that discussion, but do you not think when Dutch Gold costs the same as Guinness, they might put up the price of Guinness to distinguish it from the "cheaper" brands?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Why must we be such a nanny state and try to ban everything,

    Cause we drink too much and can't control our own intake. It's seriously bad for your health.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Mod: Please keep the discussion on topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Just wondering if the 470ml can is the same height as regular 500ml cans of non-widget beers. Might be handier for can stacking, printing, shrinkwrapping etc.

    guy saying/wondering similar here
    tobsey wrote: »
    You lose just over a can in the 24. I'm surprised it took them this long to do it. The widget meant the guinness cans were always bigger. Now I guess they are standard 500ml cans but the widget takes up some space.


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