New Guinness 470ml can

Cocoon

I bought a slab of Guinness this evening, poured into my usual glass to discover it doesn't fill it up any more. Not only that but the old style widget is gone too.

New can is only 470ml, fresh stock from Dunnes Stores

This is due to a shortage of widgets. The usual widgets are being used for regular single can, 8 and 12 packs. The Christmas slabs use a different type of widget in the base of the can.

L1011

Oh god, another size for people to complain about! (see the 440ml thread)

Cocoon

L1011 wrote: »

Oh god, another size for people to complain about! (see the 440ml thread)

Nothing more satisfying than a nicely poured pint, this can't be achieved with a smaller can. Makes no sense.

Darc19

Cocoon wrote: »

Nothing more satisfying than a nicely poured pint, this can't be achieved with a smaller can. Makes no sense.

Can't be achieved with 500ml either 😂

L1011

Cocoon wrote: »

Nothing more satisfying than a nicely poured pint, this can't be achieved with a smaller can. Makes no sense.

It'll probably fit the 500ml glasses they recently offered as a retail bonus better than the 500ml can did, though.

Darc19

I suspect that it is USA size. 470ml = 16oz or a USA pint.

Cocoon

L1011 wrote: »

It'll probably fit the 500ml glasses they recently offered as a retail bonus better than the 500ml can did, though.

This is how it poured in a pint glass..

Insect Overlord

Was the difference reflected in the price at all?

Atlantic Dawn

Ah here 2020 was bad enough without them starting to mess around with can sizes for Guinness.

Darc19

Maybe there was an argument about, 440ml v 500ml and they split the difference


(I'll get my coat)

begbysback

If you can’t put the price up, then put the quantity down.

Cocoon

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Was the difference reflected in the price at all?

Priced at €34 for the slab, if the 12 pack remains unaffected I'll buy that in future.

BeerNut

Darc19 wrote: »

I suspect that it is USA size. 470ml = 16oz or a USA pint.

If that's the capacity of the can then you're getting less beer than that because of the widget displacement. Left Hand's nitro-widget cans, which I assume are a standard 16oz, advertise 404ml of beer inside.

1990sman

oh God no. say it isn't so!

Atlantic Dawn

Just a heads up if you hadn't seen it on the BA forum, from tomorrow it's 2 crates of Guinness for €50 in Dunnes so €40 with the voucher.

VeVeX

begbysback wrote: »

If you can’t put the price up, then put the quantity down.

That's why there's only two bites in a snickers now. You need a microfiche machine to see a current funsize snickers.

irish_goat

Diageo in profit squeezing shocker...

This is literally only affecting the Christmas slabs. All other packs of Guinness are the same as before. They usually do about 700,000 slabs at Christmas but only have 400,000 widgets to spare this year so the slabs get put out in the smaller cans with the different widget in the base.

L1011

Deleted User wrote: »

This is literally only affecting the Christmas slabs. All other packs of Guinness are the same as before. They usually do about 700,000 slabs at Christmas but only have 400,000 widgets to spare this year so the slabs get put out in the smaller cans with the different widget in the base.

How is changing supply chains and production kit to get a smaller can with a different widget that much easier than just making more floating widgets?

L1011 wrote: »

How is changing supply chains and production kit to get a smaller can with a different widget that much easier than just making more floating widgets?

I have no idea, it's just what our Diageo rep told us at work.

L1011

Deleted User wrote: »

I have no idea, it's just what our Diageo rep told us at work.

Diageo excel at marketing spin. Hence the two part pour and indeed every single bit of Guinness mythology.

Its not a plausible reason, basically. What other product (by anyone at all) uses a 470ml can with a fixed widget that would cause there to be a significant supply available?

John Hutton

I'll be getting a load of Beamish so

ted1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is literally only affecting the Christmas slabs. All other packs of Guinness are the same as before. They usually do about 700,000 slabs at Christmas but only have 400,000 widgets to spare this year so the slabs get put out in the smaller cans with the different widget in the base.

Don’t buy it. Each cab requires a widget , if there’s a widget shortage then are the cans bigger

L1011

Please don't talk about Beamish, I'll have to go rock back and forth in the corner if its mentioned too much. The one benefit of visiting lots of vaguely sketchy inner city pubs is they usually have decent pints of Beamish for half nothing and I've been missing it since March.

John Hutton

L1011 wrote: »

Please don't talk about Beamish, I'll have to go rock back and forth in the corner if its mentioned too much. The one benefit of visiting lots of vaguely sketchy inner city pubs is they usually have decent pints of Beamish for half nothing and I've been missing it since March.

This is also how I discovered a taste for it ! It's not bad out of a can (to my surprise).

John Hutton wrote: »

This is also how I discovered a taste for it ! It's not bad out of a can (to my surprise).

I worry that the pour is illicit. The devil is a terrible paymaster and so is an awkward can decanted into a glass. I fear for the soul of man, is there any hope for absolution.

John Hutton

Deleted User wrote: »

I worry that the pour is illicit. The devil is a terrible paymaster and so is an awkward can decanted into a glass. I fear for the soul of man, is there any hope for absolution.

? You've lost me !

I think bed might be the best for you now haha

Darc19

BeerNut wrote: »

If that's the capacity of the can then you're getting less beer than that because of the widget displacement. Left Hand's nitro-widget cans, which I assume are a standard 16oz, advertise 404ml of beer inside.

Legally if it states 470ml contents it must have 470ml.

Open the Pubs

First they take our pints and pubs now they take our cans

And they're threatening the offies, plus on Tuesday it's the budget we know what that means.

L1011

Open the Pubs wrote: »

First they take our pints and pubs now they take our cans

And they're threatening the offies, plus on Tuesday it's the budget we know what that means.

The last alcohol excise increase was 2013; the "old reliables" just became the "old reliable" of tobacco in recent years.

I think that excise increase was actually just returning it to an older level as it had actually been cut to try help the sector in the crash; but I might be imagining that!