Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Happydays2020 · 09-10-2020 09:50PM

Ce he sin wrote: »

Education in the above is I'd guess third level more than schools.

Rubbish. It is wet pubs and trips to Greece.

Ficheall · 09-10-2020 09:51PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Why is it every excuse that can be possibly be made is in order to make people feel like school for 4-19 is perfectly safe

I don't think school is perfectly safe, but I would agree that third-level is probably the main driver. Primary and secondary school students have more wit.

niallo27 · 09-10-2020 09:54PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Yes, the average from birth is about 80, but when you've already made it to 80, you don't immediately drop dead - despite it seeming like some posters feel they should.

Actuarial/life tables are available on the CSO website.

62% of the deaths are in nursing homes, do you know the length people live past once they enter a nursing home. I think its less than 2 years. I know quoting these figures shows a lack of empathy but sometimes you have to just look at the statistics around it.

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 09:54PM

spookwoman wrote: »

List of schools in ireland with covid

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1314450617675415552?s=20

Dublin and Louth !

JJandthebear · 09-10-2020 09:55PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m afraid I’m not, I’m not saying every single child but all research done previously, including modelling charts shows severe impact on children’s futures if their Education is compromised. This has far reaching consequences but it’s Friday so I’m out for awhile.

Compromised is a vague term in this context though, isnt it? If a child takes a gap year, have they compromised their education? Everyone is aware that these kids have missed a few months of school, but its not the same as one child falling behind and being lost in the system. They are all in the same boat. So if worst case scenario they have to write the year off, and repeat the year, what severe impact would such a deferment have? I may be wrong but I warrant the research and modelling charts you mention evaluate the impact on children where their experience is singular and seperate from their peer groups norms, which is clearly not the case here.

drunkmonkey · 09-10-2020 09:56PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It only took 7 months. Why couldn't we have done that sooner. Are we that fragile?

What's the punishment if you don't pay the fine, lose your place in the vaccine cue?

Thierry12 · 09-10-2020 09:57PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Why is it every excuse that can be possibly be made is in order to make people feel like school for 4-19 is perfectly safe

WFH is no fun with kids around

Strumms · 09-10-2020 09:58PM

stockshares wrote: »

Don't forget to mention Marty Morrissey in Kilcar, Donegal doing a meaningless report on how disappointed they are with the Gaa decision to cancel their game .

What's the difference between these travelling to do reports and Golfgate apart from the sheer numbers involved in golfgate?

Agreed... its setting the wrong example....

There is no need for their reporters or any reporter to be travelling anywhere especially in the name of reporting on a sporting issue of no great pressing importance..

I understand that investigtive journalisim requires boots on the ground, noses in letterboxs in NORMAL times... not necessary now... state broadcaster up your fùcking game... id quite happily see whoever his line manager is get a little letter on their file over that ...

You get the impression though that marty thinks hes Mr gaa and you know and weve seen already multiple timez how that lot think they are above collective responsibility and individually .

odyssey06 · 09-10-2020 09:58PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Rubbish. It is wet pubs and trips to Greece.

It's all connected... if you have some of the population misbehaving in pubs or Greece... then coming back, sending their kids to school... it gets into the houses that were behaving.
I don't think it is the spark but it is a conduit \ catalyst.

Tenzor07 · 09-10-2020 09:58PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What's the punishment if you don't pay the fine, lose your place in the vaccine cue?

No, you get to be first in line for it.... :eek:

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 10:01PM

tom1ie wrote: »

If they admit schools are a risk the unions have the government where they want them.

Teachers are front line workers as much as nurses and schools must stay open.

Is a checkout worker more of a frontline worker than a teacher?

I am not disagreeing with you .
All are front line workers ?
The worker in Lidl or Tesco may have the least protections a lot would be younger, on shorter hours and not unionised .
What is your point , Tom?

political analyst · 09-10-2020 10:01PM

The surge of Covid cases wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the Gaelic county finals.

Britain did without the Wimbledon tennis championships for this year - why can't Ireland do the same with Gaelic matches?

spookwoman · 09-10-2020 10:03PM

Luke Shy Banister wrote: »

anywhere to view all of this data? any idea on total number of cases in schools?

They have the twitter account that is updated https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1
and a facebook page where you have to join
https://t.co/kwCvSzHBhB?amp=1

Will Yam · 09-10-2020 10:03PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Have Dublin's numbers dropped much from last week?

A week ago the 7 day rolling average was 192

Tonight it’s 142

odyssey06 · 09-10-2020 10:03PM

niallo27 wrote: »

62% of the deaths are in nursing homes, do you know the length people live past once they enter a nursing home. I think its less than 2 years. I know quoting these figures shows a lack of empathy but sometimes you have to just look at the statistics around it.

If you want to talk about statistics, look at the profile of who ended up in ICU and hospitals and recovered.

Median age of ICU admission is 62 for covid.
If the ICU capacity isn't there to treat those who can be saved, you can be sure the age profile of deaths will drop dramatically.

Will Yam · 09-10-2020 10:03PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

They haven't dropped at all and in fact still rising though much slower

Incorrect.

MonkieSocks · 09-10-2020 10:04PM

Bradley Walsh breaks down in tears as he issues heartbreaking plea over care homes

BRADLEY WALSH was unable to hold his emotions in during an appearance on This Morning as they discussed families being separated from loved ones in care homes.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1345263/Bradley-Walsh-break-down-crying-government-u-turn-care-home-visit-This-Morning-itv-video

CalamariFritti · 09-10-2020 10:06PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Where did you get these figures, average age of death for a man in Ireland seems to be 80

This age debate is a bit dishonest and a bit creepy - from both 'sides' tbh.

Yes average age is early 80s but once you are 80 you are not likely to drop dead tomorrow. On average you have a good few more years in you if you're fit enough to have reached 80. 80+ year old people are hardly 'expendable'.

But equally it is a bit dishonest to hint that anyone tries to argue that they are. Nobody is saying people in their 80ies have had their lives and if they get knocked off by covid tough sh1t. No one is saying that.

But a couple of points must be made all the same.
Firstly if you're 80+ covid is not exactly a death sentence. The risk is significantly higher but even the vast majority of 80+ people are ok.
And secondly respiratory disease/pneumonia is one of the major causes of death for the very.frail and old. Its what people die from - you and me too. Thousands in Ireland every year long before covid. That or heart or stroke or cancer. A lot of the very old and frail who died from covid probably wouldn't be able to deal well with the flu or a fall either. So in that sense its certainly not the same as if school children would be the high risk group.

niallo27 · 09-10-2020 10:07PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

If you want to talk about statistics, look at the profile of who ended up in ICU and hospitals and recovered.

Median age of ICU admission is 62 for covid.
If the ICU capacity isn't there to treat those who can be saved, you can be sure the age profile of deaths will drop dramatically.

I doubt it would drop it dramatically unless your saying there will be 400-600 that will die because of no icu availability, which we both know will never happen in a million years.

09-10-2020 10:07PM

political analyst wrote: »

The surge of Covid cases wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the Gaelic county finals.

Britain did without the Wimbledon tennis championships for this year - why can't Ireland do the same with Gaelic matches?

I heard a doctor from Donegal interviewed last week on RTE, and he said that 87 of the recent cases that presented at his practice, could be traced back to 5 events.

2 house parties of young ones, a post GAA match party in a private house, a first communion party, and a wake, all in East Donegal.

niallo27 · 09-10-2020 10:08PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

This age debate is a bit dishonest and a bit creepy - from both 'sides' tbh.

Yes average age is early 80s but once you are 80 you are not likely to drop dead tomorrow. On average you have a good few more years in you if you're fit enough to have reached 80. 80+ year old people are hardly 'expendable'.

But equally it is a bit dishonest to hint that anyone tries to argue that they are. Nobody is saying people in their 80ies have had their lives and if they get knocked off by covid tough sh1t. No one is saying that.

But a couple of points must be made all the same.
Firstly if you're 80+ covid is not exactly a death sentence. The risk is significantly higher but even the vast majority of 80+ people are ok.
And secondly respiratory disease/pneumonia is one of the major causes of death for the very.frail and old. Its what people die from - you and me too. Thousands in Ireland every year long before covid. That or heart or stroke or cancer. A lot of the very old and frail who died from covid probably wouldn't be able to deal well with the flu or a fall either. So in that sense its certainly not the same as if school children would be the high risk group.

Good honest post.

spookwoman · 09-10-2020 10:09PM

Latest tweet

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1314672900193091589?s=20

odyssey06 · 09-10-2020 10:14PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I doubt it would drop it dramatically unless your saying there will be 400-600 that will die because of no icu availability, which we both know will never happen in a million years.

Up to mid-June.
The age demographic with the highest admission to ICU in Ireland was 55-64 at 29%
90% of ICU admissions were aged under 75 at a total of 380 cases.

I don't think you know very much so when you talk about no icu availability your comments are without merit or foundation.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/june2020/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_16062020_%20v1%20website.pdf

Arghus · 09-10-2020 10:15PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I think we should all stop with this 'blaming' culture. It's not helpful. The HSE and Government had months to get their house in order re hospitals, ICU and a proper 'Living with Covid' plan that wasn't altered a few days after it was published.
It's also belittling some people who have lost their jobs and are severely impacted by this Pandemic...this number is growing daily. Everyone I meet is struggling with the current situation and while I'm tempted to point out that we need to look at the ever increasing impacts of the Covid Restrictions, I won't...

I wasn't getting into blaming people with my post. Just pointing out that a lot of people have been in denial about what is going on - and some are, somehow, still in denial.

There's not much I or any of us can do at a personal level to try to increase our capacity of hospital and ICU beds, it'd be great if we could. The only thing I can do to play my part is to try to stick to the basics: wearing a mask, keeping a distance, washing my hands and not being reckless in the amount of social contacts I have.

I agree fully that the Government took their eye off the ball during the Summer, they thought the worst was over and it was full steam ahead with all other business and opening up. But, from where I'm standing, it's pretty rich for a lot of people to lambast them for this, because they were more than happy to see the Government largely ignore the coming problems and to just get on with it and forget about Covid - because they wanted to too.

Funsterdelux · 09-10-2020 10:15PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Don't know , Funster .
Am thinking now it is one of the lads posting here but missed the posts?

Ah yeah, sure it was Necro.

Spanish Eyes · 09-10-2020 10:16PM

I do feel for those with kids who may not be in school for a bit if things escalate, whether WFH or on site.

I personally wouldn't be too worried about the Covid Gap in their education at all. Kids are like sponges they will pick it up later. Maybe a little trickier for exam classes, but they are older and can study by themselves even if online.

My way of getting through this is taking it in chunks and hoping for better times ahead. The Winter is a tough time for many, Covid or not, so we kind of know what to expect. The problem might be hermetically sealed homes with full blast heating on though. I open all the windows in the house for 15 minutes a few times a day and only use rads in the rooms that need it.

I know I might sound a bit smug, don't mean to, but every little helps I suppose. It will take a bit of time to beat this, or come to terms with it somehow.

Wishing you all the best and hope all will be ok through the darkness of Winter. But remember 21st December means it will be getting brighter every day.

MerlinSouthDub · 09-10-2020 10:18PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Latest tweet

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1314672900193091589?s=20

Fair play to Martina for keeping track of the data. Great to see very few schools with more than 1 or 2 cases.

tom1ie · 09-10-2020 10:18PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This whole lockdown and restriction thing should be eased by next spring as the vaccine gets rolled out.

It is a learning experience for us all, not least the kids who are also coming through this.

If it adds to the robustness of society, and teaches us how to adapt to adversity, then no bad thing.

What vaccine? It’s roll out date has been announced?

john why · 09-10-2020 10:19PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Sick of this sh1t. My mother is a short few years off 80. She walks miles every day. Loves style. Maintains a house including painting rooms when she gets the notion. Mows a half acre of lawn every week. Maintains her flowerbeds. Likes whiskey and wine and has a vast number of friends to whom she is always talking on the phone. Reads. Likes the news. Gives out vigorously about all the current affairs. Is hugely interested in her many grandchildren all of whom love her a lot.
This creeping casual eugenicism is disgusting actually. And I am fed up of it.

You have an amazing mother my friend. This crap needs to stop, a sure they were old anyway.

Thierry12 · 09-10-2020 10:19PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I doubt it would drop it dramatically unless your saying there will be 400-600 that will die because of no icu availability, which we both know will never happen in a million years.

People think that's gonna happen

Isn't that what lockdown is all about

Hundreds, maybe thousands will need an ICU if we let it rip through society

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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