Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Turtwig · 09-10-2020 08:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Breakdown by occupation contained in the 14 day epidemiological report published daily

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20201008%20-%20website.pdf

Doesn't actually answer my question. Only provides proportion of total cases where the occupation is teaching/childcare. This isn't really a useful metric for my query.

Regardless, find odd dept of Ed didn't consider their school staff.

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 08:59PM

Public Health England have just informed us that education is the leading location of coronavirus infections.

Of course Irish schools could be doing something different.

tom1ie · 09-10-2020 09:00PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Totally agree.
Do the tracing properly and let everyone know exactly the risk.
We are all entitled to know the risks and deal with it.

However they know that if the risks of everything were clear for everyone to see there would be a bigger hoo haa about some things than they want to deal with .
They have been very selective about what is a risk and what is not, all along, xtarting with the risk of asymptomatic and/ or presymptomatic transmission , to airborne transmission now .
When I say" they " I am not sure who " they " are , the government, or NPHET or both ?
We have found out after the fact, when firepower has been needed for different restrictions, that different activities are risky and are leading to increased spread .
At this stage most of us can read the graphs and use our cop on to discern those risks also , but if the information is not being recorded and published for us, we are at a distinct disadvantage.
So if children going to school is a risk, not to them , but to their families and teachers , then we should be told , so it can be dealt with , not obfuscating the risks in order to keep the noise from parents and unions down .

If they admit schools are a risk the unions have the government where they want them.

Teachers are front line workers as much as nurses and schools must stay open.

Is a checkout worker more of a frontline worker than a teacher?

Kermit.de.frog · 09-10-2020 09:02PM

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1314510239643906050

prunudo · 09-10-2020 09:06PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I really can't imagine them shutting down construction again. I don't think the level 5 plan is clear on this though.

Hope so, it be nice to know one way or another. Obviously if there needs to be extra restrictions then so be it, but construction seems to be behaving itself from what I've seen or read.

CruelSummer · 09-10-2020 09:06PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Please see the 10 -19 age bracket and discuss.

Ok, I think children are not affected adversely by Covid. The price they’re being asked to pay, aka wash their whole future down the toilet isn’t fair or reasonable. We as a society have to do better and come up with a way to shield the vulnerable groups while children & youth get their education. They’re already missed 6 months. Online does not work for Primary School children. Many are very far behind already and are just beginning to catch up. Another closure will have serious implications on our educational outcomes internationally and domestically, which will in turn affect our workforce and economy, which in turn affects the health system - as in no money to fund it.

eagle eye · 09-10-2020 09:06PM

spookwoman wrote:

List of schools in ireland with covid

So over 300 schools with cases as of yesterday.

09-10-2020 09:07PM

And yet i cannot organise my family around to tea...*****..

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 09:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1314510239643906050

Moneygall native Moll Collins is 100 years old today. A drive by was organised and assisted by Gardai in Roscrea and Nenagh. Garda Lorraine Fahy presented flowers. Supt Eddie Golden commenced his new post to the Nenagh District by celebrating with Moll today.

Hope they caught the fvckers....

Kermit.de.frog · 09-10-2020 09:08PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Risk of death at 80 is about 10% in general life

At 80 you generally have months left

We have to die

Granny hater :mad:

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 09:10PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ok, I think children are not affected adversely by Covid. The price they’re being asked to pay, aka wash their whole future down the toilet isn’t fair or reasonable. We as a society have to do better and come up with a way to shield the vulnerable groups while children & youth get their education. They’re already missed 6 months. Online does not work for Primary School children. Many are very far behind already and are just beginning to catch up. Another closure will have serious implications on our educational outcomes internationally and domestically, which will in turn affect our workforce and economy, which in turn affects the health system - as in no money to fund it.

Don't disagree. This is a very tricky balance. If there is enough of latent community transmission the only effective tool is lockdown. As **** as that is.
Hope schools stay open personally.

Those who can keep their kids at home should.

Essential workers should be able to let kids go to school. They did this in UK. Starting to make sense now.

CruelSummer · 09-10-2020 09:13PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Public Health England have just informed us that education is the leading location of coronavirus infections.

Of course Irish schools could be doing something different.

But when we were locked down before healthcare workers were the leading cause of infection, it was considered essential they remained open.
Education is an essential service, it should remain open and never go back fully remote like last time. It failed for younger children & will cause chaos now with parents unable to homeschool due to banks mortgage breaks ending.

JP Liz V1 · 09-10-2020 09:13PM

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1314658274935889921

Ficheall · 09-10-2020 09:14PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

The price they’re being asked to pay, aka wash their whole future down the toilet

Ah now, let's not exaggerate too wildly.

CruelSummer · 09-10-2020 09:20PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Ah now, let's not exaggerate too wildly.

I’m afraid I’m not, I’m not saying every single child but all research done previously, including modelling charts shows severe impact on children’s futures if their Education is compromised. This has far reaching consequences but it’s Friday so I’m out for awhile.

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 09:21PM

440Hertz wrote: »

It says you can have 6 people around to your house or garden from one household only and that you can’t meet them in any other context (which I assume includes say the park).

Then it’s got organised outdoor gatherings, which seems to be for like art or training courses type stuff which allows up to 15 people with a names organiser.

It mentions nothing about households for cafes and restaurants outdoors.

I’m just totally unsure whether it means if I say met a friend for a coffee who I don’t live, and just stayed fully socially distanced is that a break of the rules or what?

No I don't think so.
But you are right it isn't clear ;0

pjohnson · 09-10-2020 09:21PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

But when we were locked down before healthcare workers were the leading cause of infection, it was considered essential they remained open.
Education is an essential service, it should remain open and never go back fully remote like last time. It failed for younger children & will cause chaos now with parents unable to homeschool due to banks mortgage breaks ending.

Dear christ :pac:

I thought you use to speak out against hysteria :pac:

igCorcaigh · 09-10-2020 09:24PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m afraid I’m not, I’m not saying every single child but all research done previously, including modelling charts shows severe impact on children’s futures if their Education is compromised. This has far reaching consequences but it’s Friday so I’m out for awhile.

This whole lockdown and restriction thing should be eased by next spring as the vaccine gets rolled out.

It is a learning experience for us all, not least the kids who are also coming through this.

If it adds to the robustness of society, and teaches us how to adapt to adversity, then no bad thing.

JP Liz V1 · 09-10-2020 09:28PM

Listening to John Lennon's Imagine on his 80th birthday, peace all

eagle eye · 09-10-2020 09:30PM

CruelSummer wrote:

But when we were locked down before healthcare workers were the leading cause of infection, it was considered essential they remained open. Education is an essential service, it should remain open and never go back fully remote like last time. It failed for younger children & will cause chaos now with parents unable to homeschool due to banks mortgage breaks ending.

Education is extremely important but the health of all our kids is more important. We are dealing with a new virus, a nasty virus and we don't know the long term affects, if there is any, of it yet. However we do already know that people are suffering from extreme lethargy, long term breathing issues and organ problems even after the virus has left their bodies. We really shouldn't be taking risks with anybody's health right now.
We've never dealt with anything like this before, we don't yet know the full extent of it. I understand that people feel under pressure financially but if this keeps going upwards then we'll end up in real trouble not only as regards the health of the nation but economically as well.
We need to shut everything, flatten the curve and introduce penalties which will ensure compliance with the recommended precautions which are required to maintain a low infection rate.
Then we can open up again and hopefully this time people have learned their lesson and we maintain low covid levels while we await a vaccine or remedy.
And bows the time to start as we have a schools midterm coming. I think we should shut everything until after Christmas and just accept where we are at. I think the banks would be willing to extend the mortgage break in a scenario like this.

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 09:30PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Does he work in a needle exchange program?

Don't know , Funster .
Am thinking now it is one of the lads posting here but missed the posts?

Str8outtaWuhan · 09-10-2020 09:32PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1314658274935889921

Have to claw back the PUP someway, I suppose.

niallo27 · 09-10-2020 09:35PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I think everyone recognises what a dumb post that was, but here are the figures, just in case:

At age 80, males have an average of 7.92 years left and women have an average of 9.41 years left, which correspond to risks of about 6% and 4%, respectively, of dying during the year.

Where did you get these figures, average age of death for a man in Ireland seems to be 80

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 09:38PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Sorry you had to find out this way

Death is close at 80

We don't live long

You are being very insensitive here ( could say worse but won't)
How would you feel if this illness was more dangerous for children , and people were saying sxxxt like that about children dying ?
Not very palatable , is it ?

No age is ok to be killed by a preventable infectious disease.

Ficheall · 09-10-2020 09:40PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Where did you get these figures, average age of death for a man in Ireland seems to be 80

Yes, the average from birth is about 80, but when you've already made it to 80, you don't immediately drop dead - despite it seeming like some posters feel they should.

Actuarial/life tables are available on the CSO website.

Ce he sin · 09-10-2020 09:41PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Public Health England have just informed us that education is the leading location of coronavirus infections.

Of course Irish schools could be doing something different.

Education in the above is I'd guess third level more than schools.

Tenzor07 · 09-10-2020 09:43PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We need to shut everything, flatten the curve and introduce penalties which will ensure compliance with the recommended precautions which are required to maintain a low infection rate.

Too right, this deadly virus is the modern day version of the Bubonic plague!
We need to shut everything down now!
Shopping centres, schools, petrol stations, barbers, dentists, supermarkets, Spar and centra, let all the retail workers be at home sheltering with their families instead of having to mix with the virus carrying public! Busses and Taxis too, let's not risk any lives here!
Sea and Air ports should be shut down until we have a vaccine, otherwise it will bring more virus into the virus we already have leading to double Covid!
We can survive this if we pull together as a nation, and if we need money to pay for it all well..sell the Blarney stone, the Book of Kells and the Guinness factory to pay for it.!

Ce he sin · 09-10-2020 09:44PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Risk of death at 80 is about 10% in general life

At 80 you generally have months left

We have to die

You've been told by now what rubbish the above is, but on your logic as we're all going to die sometime we might as well close all hospitals as even the new born are going to get there.

Icyseanfitz · 09-10-2020 09:44PM

Ce he sin wrote: »

Education in the above is I'd guess third level more than schools.

Why is it every excuse that can be possibly be made is in order to make people feel like school for 4-19 is perfectly safe

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 09:44PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1314658274935889921

It only took 7 months. Why couldn't we have done that sooner. Are we that fragile?

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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