Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 08:18PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Can you provide actual evidence from a more reliable source rather than some far left Irish 'socialist' who wants a full lockdown at any cost?

Sorry what evidence have you provided of anything? I'd say I've provided more evidence than most here. Most at the time didn't want to hear it. I posted the public health England charts yesterday.

You could of course google it instead of shouting into the abyss that it's not true.

Here's the report it was based on. Unless you think public health England are liars or English children are more predisposed to the virus. I'd refute those claims.

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1314481552781447168?s=20

lawrencesummers · 09-10-2020 08:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thankfully we are managing things much better here, in no small part down to the efforts of our educators, and the proportion of cases in 5 to 14 years olds is falling and is stable for all school aged.

And we also started back to education later than the brits.....

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 09-10-2020 08:21PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Evidence isn’t available because the tracing is terrible.
Today for instance 67% of cases have unknown transmission.

Apply the timeline of two weeks and it’s clear the biggest change that has influenced the increase of cases is the return of education .

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we should close the schools, we should just acknowledge that it’s contributing greatly to the spread.

You'll be accused of "blaming the kids" now

Boggles · 09-10-2020 08:21PM

Again

Boggles wrote: »

Translates as we have no sort of surveillance in either so we don't have a Scooby.

But Prof Nolan will be on twitter in 3 weeks explaining to us all why we have to close schools.

Remember there was no "recorded" evidence that pubs and restaurants contributed to spread?

440Hertz · 09-10-2020 08:21PM

If you go for a meal outdoors is it restricted to your own household? So, for example if you live alone do you have to dine on your own?

I’m still not even clear if you can say take a coffee with someone from another household. On the face if it, it looks contradictory eg: you can meet one person in your garden, but not one person to say have a socially distanced take away coffee 2m+ apart in a park.

I just would prefer something a little more clear and not umpteen rules that seem to be different in situations with the same risk or sometimes more draconian in situations with lower seemingly much risk.

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 08:21PM

Please see the 10 -19 age bracket and discuss.

Thierry12 · 09-10-2020 08:22PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So...you've no proof it's being transmitted in schools then? Schools are controlled environments. They're following procedures. I can guarantee you, many private households are not and are having many people over to visit.

Kids are following procedures

Controlled environments

Are you serious?

My 4 year old was playing dress up in pre school yesterday, doctors and nurses, 20 small little 3-4 year olds running around the place

My 8 year old has 27 kids in her class, no masks, no distance between them

Had to wash both hair this week for head lice as an outbreak in her class

Get real my friend covid is there

09-10-2020 08:22PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

There was an entire post primary school in Longford closed down yesterday, does that prove nothing?

Seems it was closed because there were not enough members of staff remaining to run the school after a single case resulted in contact tracing taking out half the teachers.

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/579568/mean-scoil-mhuire-longford-closes-due-to-confirmed-case-of-covid-19.html

It’s not school spread that closed the school, it’s the action taken to prevent school spread through contact tracing that did. It remains to be seen if any cases occurred at the school as a result of the index case. What happened is the system working

manniot2 · 09-10-2020 08:24PM

I can’t see how they can fine someone for leaving a county. How do you define essential? I might deem a trip to care for a relative as being essential, but what if the guard disagrees?

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 08:25PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And we also started back to education later than the brits.....

I agree with you but ....
It is what has been decided to continue along with healthcare, in as much as possible, despite the sacrifice of everything else.
Whether it is a source of infection or not , they are going to keep the schools open .

eagle eye · 09-10-2020 08:25PM

lawrencesummers wrote:

Evidence isnâ€™t available because the tracing is terrible. Today for instance 67% of cases have unknown transmission.

That's because they refuse to consider kids bringing it home from school.

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 08:27PM

440Hertz wrote: »

If you go for a meal outdoors is it restricted to your own household? So, for example if you live alone do you have to dine on your own?

I’m still not even clear if you can say take a coffee with someone from another household. On the face if it, it looks contradictory eg: you can meet one person in your garden, but not one person to say have a socially distanced take away coffee 2m+ apart in a park.

You can , I have :0

Gruffalux · 09-10-2020 08:27PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Risk of death at 80 is about 10% in general life

At 80 you generally have months left

We have to die

Sick of this sh1t. My mother is a short few years off 80. She walks miles every day. Loves style. Maintains a house including painting rooms when she gets the notion. Mows a half acre of lawn every week. Maintains her flowerbeds. Likes whiskey and wine and has a vast number of friends to whom she is always talking on the phone. Reads. Likes the news. Gives out vigorously about all the current affairs. Is hugely interested in her many grandchildren all of whom love her a lot.
This creeping casual eugenicism is disgusting actually. And I am fed up of it.

Boggles · 09-10-2020 08:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thankfully we are managing things much better here

Yes by ignoring science and not properly tracing.

From the DOE back to school document.

Remember that the virus is spread by droplets and is not airborne so physical separation is enough to reduce the risk of spread to others even if they are in the same room

We had a user confirmed positive today.

He either got it off his kids or a breakfast roll.

There will be no tracing back to school.

odyssey06 · 09-10-2020 08:28PM

manniot2 wrote: »

I can’t see how they can fine someone for leaving a county. How do you define essential? I might deem a trip to care for a relative as being essential, but what if the guard disagrees?

See "a reasonable excuse for travelling from the county of residence in the case of a relevant person" on page 13 of this Statutory Instrument e.g.

(j) attend to vital family matters (including providing care to vulnerable persons)

https://assets.gov.ie/87618/0dbd8b72-3958-43bb-b7ec-9a200d8861f1.pdf

09-10-2020 08:29PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Please see the 10 -19 age bracket and discuss.

Presume this is uk data as we split our data in different groupings. And also, growth in all age school kids is the same here as the overall population, and lower in kids under 14, so your chart is clearly not Irish data. Our schools are performing much better thankfully

verizon · 09-10-2020 08:29PM

manniot2 wrote: »

I can’t see how they can fine someone for leaving a county. How do you define essential? I might deem a trip to care for a relative as being essential, but what if the guard disagrees?

Yeah I'm getting married in a neighbouring county to my parents. Is it essential, most would argue no. But its essential for me to have them there at what is a very small and controlled wedding.

lawrencesummers · 09-10-2020 08:29PM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

You'll be accused of "blaming the kids" now

Blaming them for what? Following the guidelines?

I don’t have a problem with kids being in school.

I have a problem with pretending it’s not going to lead to an undetectable uncontrolled, unstoppable spread of the virus.

I have a problem with nursing homeS that haven’t got their house in order.
I have a problem with workplaces that haven’t got their house in order.

Everyday that goes by I’m more convinced that this is unstoppable, and flattening the curve is only prolonging the inevitable. Up down, up down, up down.

At some point the idea needs to be given serious examination as to a whether in and out of restrictions Actually saves any more lives than just saying fawk it and getting on with it letting the chips fall where they may.

The best way to remove a plaster is always Short Sharp and painful.

Reckless Abandonment · 09-10-2020 08:29PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sorry what evidence have you provided of anything? I'd say I've provided more evidence than most here. Most at the time didn't want to hear it. I posted the public health England charts yesterday.

You could of course google it instead of shouting into the abyss that it's not true.

Here's the report it was based on. Unless you think public health England are liars or English children are more predisposed to the virus. I'd refute those claims.

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1314481552781447168?s=20

Surprised hospitality is only 4% considering most pubs and restaurants are open over there.

AlphaDelta1 · 09-10-2020 08:29PM

Just got back from a walk with my doggie from Mount Merrion and a gang of upwards of 40 kids all standing around drinking and up to stuff teenagers do in our local park. Usually could care less but it is annoying to see at the present time. I mean do the parents even care??

440Hertz · 09-10-2020 08:30PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

You can , I have :0

It says you can have 6 people around to your house or garden from one household only and that you can’t meet them in any other context (which I assume includes say the park).

Then it’s got organised outdoor gatherings, which seems to be for like art or training courses type stuff which allows up to 15 people with a names organiser.

It mentions nothing about households for cafes and restaurants outdoors.

I’m just totally unsure whether it means if I say met a friend for a coffee who I don’t live, and just stayed fully socially distanced is that a break of the rules or what?

Funsterdelux · 09-10-2020 08:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems it was closed because there were not enough members of staff remaining to run the school after a single case resulted in contact tracing taking out half the teachers.

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/579568/mean-scoil-mhuire-longford-closes-due-to-confirmed-case-of-covid-19.html

It’s not school spread that closed the school, it’s the action taken to prevent school spread through contact tracing that did. It remains to be seen if any cases occurred at the school as a result of the index case. What happened is the system working

This is probably the worst outbreak so far (that I'm aware of), however it is a special school and probably more difficult to control the spread.

St Gabriels Cork

Last I heard there were 12 cases between staff and pupils.

igCorcaigh · 09-10-2020 08:31PM

What's up with the UK reporting on covid deaths only up to 28 days after infection?

If someone dies of covid after 6 weeks of infection, their death is not registered as such?

Seems like a way of concealing death rates to me.

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 08:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Presume this is uk data as we split our data in different groupings. And also, growth in all age school kids is the same here as the overall population, and lower in kids under 14, so your chart is clearly not Irish data. Our schools are performing much better thankfully

lol referring to public health England who seem to be a bit more transparent.

lawrencesummers · 09-10-2020 08:32PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I agree with you but ....
It is what has been decided to continue along wi I th healthcare, in as much as possible, despite the sacrifice of everything else.
Whether it is a source of infection or not , they are going to keep the schools open .

That’s fine. Keep them open, Just admit it’s a problem and advise people that any school going child should not be in contact with granny or grandad because the spread is undetectable and unstoppable for the most part.

Goldengirl · 09-10-2020 08:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes by ignoring science and not properly tracing.

From the DOE back to school document.

We had a user confirmed positive today.

He either got it off his kids or a breakfast roll.

There will be no tracing back to school.

Do you mean 'user' here ? Or teacher ?

Charles Babbage · 09-10-2020 08:33PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Just got back from a walk with my doggie from Mount Merrion and a gang of upwards of 40 kids all standing around drinking and up to stuff teenagers do in our local park. Usually could care less but it is annoying to see at the present time. I mean do the parents even care??

Likely from the Mount Merrion slums, sure they've no hope, places likes universities are a far away world to them.

Thierry12 · 09-10-2020 08:34PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Sick of this sh1t. My mother is a short few years off 80. She walks miles every day. Loves style. Maintains a house including painting rooms when she gets the notion. Mows a half acre of lawn every week. Maintains her flowerbeds. Likes whiskey and wine and has a vast number of friends to whom she is always talking on the phone. Reads. Likes the news. Gives out vigorously about all the current affairs. Is hugely interested in her many grandchildren all of whom love her a lot.
This creeping casual eugenicism is disgusting actually. And I am fed up of it.

Nice

She sounds like a lovely woman and will probably be perfectly fine if she gets Covid.

What does she think about this current situation?

All the job loses

All the kids with life on hold

Genuinely curious of how the old feel

09-10-2020 08:35PM

wow cases are rising!! of course if you put your rod in the water several times, you'll catch several times more fish..does that mean the fish arrived suddenly or have they always been there to be caught!!

****ing joke, simple arithmetic and the Govt are laughing all the way home.. they are throwing out 2.5K fines and talk of 6 months in prison for no mask on a bus.

lets Jog that through.

Garda, you've no mask, why not?
I have no job and am unemployed now due to corona virus.
Ok that's a fine then!!!
But I need the PUP to stay in my rented accommodation!! I'll be on the street!
along with my wife and child as the landlord is expecting rent and the bank moratorium is up!!! I need to get into town on this bus to see my sick father who lives alone and depends on me, what about his mental health and well being!

OK then Prison..
OK but do you know how much the tax payer will have to pay just to feed me alone in prison for 6 months?? isn't that false economy garda??

lawrencesummers · 09-10-2020 08:35PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

What's up with the UK reporting on covid deaths only up to 28 days after infection?

If someone dies of covid after 6 weeks of infection, their death is not registered as such?

Seems like a way of concealing death rates to me.

Not even that, 28 days after a positive test result.
They have been fudging their numbers since day one.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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